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Louis Epstein
2018-11-14 19:15:15 UTC
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A revision for the 70th birthday of the Prince of Wales.

I recall posting to alt.politics.british in 1995 marking the
69th birthday of the Queen,and Mike Dickson of Black Cat Software
responding "I sincerely hope she never sees 70"...so my Queen's
birthday post the next year was headed "Mike Dickson Frustrated!".

Now it is her son who turns 70,with living parents,
and with grandchildren George and Charlotte respectively
years older than the young Charles and Anne were at the
commencement of the present reign.

Milestones for the Prince in the coming year include surpassing
the age at which King George V died,and the 50th anniversary of
his investiture in Wales (which I remember watching on television,
I expect most who did thought he would be King by now!).

The midpoint of the current reign has reached past the third
birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,and is nearly at his mother's
24th birthday (she died the month after turning 36,so about two
thirds of her life already belong to the first half of the present
reign and only the last year remains in its currently-final third).

As for my reference file updated below,
this should be the final appearance for Admirals
Keppel and Milne as they will be consigned to the
junior officers' mess on the imminent arrival of a
far more senior admiral.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 2nd 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 3 weeks from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 months from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is now 70),
the future George V was over a month from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than 3 months over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-12-06 23:16:54 UTC
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As promised...the debut of Sir George Sartorius,
last survivor of the Battle of Trafalgar.

We are getting back to the earliest stages of the future
Archbishop Temple's tenure in London,he died not long after
crowning Edward VII...soon we will write of the London time
of the man who consecrated Temple a bishop in 1869.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on April 9th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 5 weeks from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was only
5 months past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 weeks past 70),
the future George V was nearly 8 weeks from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 5 months past 36--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than 3 months over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-01-01 02:22:44 UTC
Permalink
As a year comes to an end,I post a revision to remark on the recent
discovery by me of a person whose career bridges the period from the
reference date to the current Queen's accession...the late Admiral
Sir Herbert Heath.

Commissioned Lieutenant R.N. in 1884 (still before the ever receding
reference date) he was one of the senior Lieutanants aboard HMS
Victoria in its referenced collision with HMS Camperdown in 1893
(had the rank of Lieutenant Commander yet existed in the Royal Navy
(it dates to 1914) he would have held it by seniority,and was
promoted Commander in 1896).

He finished the Great War as Second Sea Lord,and survived until 1954;
thus he was alive when the Queen elevated the Duke of Edinburgh over his
as Admiral of the Fleet in 1953 (the Duke was born when Sir Herbert
was in his final,four-star active posting).

The civil servants and diplomats born in 1958 have now retired on account
of age;those born in 1959 are about to join them;
the Queen who acceded in 1952 continues.


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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 18th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 weeks past 70),
the future George V was over 2 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 36--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop-designate of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than 2 months over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 98-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-01-20 17:47:35 UTC
Permalink
The reference date has now moved back before Bishop (future Archbishop)
Temple was nominated to the vacant see of London.

I've lately read that the Prince of Wales declined to take part in a
documentary on the 40th anniversary of his investiture as Prince of
Wales in 1969 (which I dimly recall seeing on television),suggesting
that the 50th anniversary would be a more appropriate occasion.

And here we are in the year of that 50th anniversary and he is still
Prince of Wales.Odds would have been against it then but he was right.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 25th 1885.

Queen Victoria,nearly 3 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 70),
the future George V was over 3 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
barely 5 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than 3 weeks over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 98-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-02-07 19:01:39 UTC
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The Queen's reign has now entered its sixty-eighth year.

I started posting this about nine years ago,after the 58th regnal
anniversary and the reference date having moved back beyond the birth
of Harold Macmillan (February 10th 1894).

So the period covered as less than twice the reign has grown by about
eighteen years...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 7th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 70),
the future George V was over 3 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was only 2 days over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 98-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-03-05 18:54:36 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
The reference date has now moved back before Bishop (future Archbishop)
Temple was nominated to the vacant see of London.
I've lately read that the Prince of Wales declined to take part in a
documentary on the 40th anniversary of his investiture as Prince of
Wales in 1969 (which I dimly recall seeing on television),suggesting
that the 50th anniversary would be a more appropriate occasion.
And here we are in the year of that 50th anniversary and he is still
Prince of Wales.Odds would have been against it then but he was right.
There has just been a palace reception marking that anniversary (a bit
early since the investiture took place on July 1st).

I note that the birth of the current Duke of York and marriage of the
Duke of Cambridge are separated by more time than the deaths of Queen
Victoria and King George VI (another perspective on the "lived in the
reigns of six sovereigns" random distinction that can cover far less
time than one reign).

The younger sons of the Queen were not at the reception and press
speculated it was because they did not attend the 1969 ceremony;
but in the case of some terror attack striking an event where the
Queen,the Prince of Wales,and his sons were all present having the
next adult in line elsewhere would be prudent...

Herewith the latest iteration of the reference file...the reference
date is getting close to Attlee's second birthday and moving back
before 1885.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 14th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 70),
the future George V was over 4 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was over 3 weeks short of a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
Post by Louis Epstein
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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-04-05 01:27:36 UTC
Permalink
The midpoint of the current reign has moved into September 1985.

The reference date of the file has moved backward into 1884.
(Next revision will be posted after it has moved back before the
Royal Assent to the Representation of the People Act 1884).

This month the Queen will turn 93.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 16th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
6 weeks past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 70),
the future George V was over 5 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 7 weeks short of a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was not yet a year old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-04-06 19:20:59 UTC
Permalink
CORRECTIVE REPOST.

I had made an error on Attlee (born January 3rd 1883,
exactly nine years before J.R.R. Tolkien,unless the minority
sources that say he was born on the 2nd are correct).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 13th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 weeks past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 70),
the future George V was over 5 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 7 weeks short of a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-04-21 11:17:34 UTC
Permalink
The Queen turns 93 today.

Two days ago Prince Philip became the longest-lived of all
descendants of Queen Victoria.

The midpoint of the current reign has now moved within two days
of the first birthday of the Duke of Sussex,whose mother reached
her teens at the current end of the first third of the reign
(only about the last nine months of her life remain in the final
third).

The reference date in the ever-updated file below has now moved
back before the 10th birthday of Winston Churchill.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 28th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 70),
the future George V was over 6 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 2 months short of a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed (but not yet received Royal Assent for) the Representation of
the People Act 1884(which would for the first time enable most men to
vote) and was pursuing passage of the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885
(which would establish the norm of single-member constituencies) but
these had yet to actually come into effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
The Doctor
2019-04-21 13:26:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Louis Epstein
The Queen turns 93 today.
Two days ago Prince Philip became the longest-lived of all
descendants of Queen Victoria.
The midpoint of the current reign has now moved within two days
of the first birthday of the Duke of Sussex,whose mother reached
her teens at the current end of the first third of the reign
(only about the last nine months of her life remain in the final
third).
The reference date in the ever-updated file below has now moved
back before the 10th birthday of Winston Churchill.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 28th 1884.
Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 70),
the future George V was over 6 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 2 months short of a year old.
Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed (but not yet received Royal Assent for) the Representation of
the People Act 1884(which would for the first time enable most men to
vote) and was pursuing passage of the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885
(which would establish the norm of single-member constituencies) but
these had yet to actually come into effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Long live the Queen!
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Louis Epstein
2019-05-22 01:10:40 UTC
Permalink
The Queen is now a month past 93 and the Duke of Cambridge only a month from
37.

The midpoint of the current reign is in late September 1985 and the
two-thirds point in mid-December 1996.

The reference file is getting close to including a peeress born in 1790.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 28th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was
12 days under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 70),
the future George V was under 5 months past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
only a month from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under nine months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote) and the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother barely a year before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-06-10 19:06:07 UTC
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Prince Philip turns 98 today.

The Queen is aged 93 years,50 days and thus their still-rising average
age is about 95 years 7 months...a span that would take the Prince
of Wales to June 2044,the Prince Royal to March 2046,the Duke of York
to September 2055,the Earl of Wessex to October 2059,the Duke of
Cambridge to January 2078,the Duke of Sussex to April 2080,and
Prince George to January 2109.

Time will tell who lasts more or less.

The Prince of Wales is closing in on matching the lifespan of George V
and the current reign is only months shorter than the entire life of
George IV.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 7th 1884.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
a month under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 70),
the future George V was under 5 months past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was barely eight months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote) and the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than a year before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-06-21 16:30:52 UTC
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HRH Prince William,Duke of Cambridge,turns 37 today.
He is the oldest ever son (or child) of a Prince of Wales though not
the oldest ever grandson (or grandchild) of a British Sovereign (that
record is currently held by Kaiser Wilhelm II,who turned 42 five days
after the death of Queen Victoria,but stands to fall to Peter Phillips
on the 101st anniversary of the Kaiser's defeat in World War I,as he
turns 42 four days after that).

The file text has now caught up with the fact that we have moved back
before the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 had been framed.
(The current reign constitutes over two-thirds of the time that
women in the United Kingdom have been allowed to vote for Parliament).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 28th 1884.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was
6 weeks under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 71),
the future George V was under 4 months past 19(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under eight months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than a year before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-07-22 19:39:15 UTC
Permalink
Prince George turns six today,
the only child of a son of a Prince of Wales
ever to do so since Edward VIII in June 1900.
(Queen Victoria died in January 1901 so Prince George
can break the oldest-third-direct-heir record in February).

The Prince of Wales has now lived longer than George V.

The midpoint of the current reign has reached the closing days of
October 1985.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 28th 1884.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
2 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 71),
the future George V was under 3 months past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under seven months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than a year before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-08-09 01:48:37 UTC
Permalink
The reign of Elizabeth II has now surpassed sixty-seven and a half years,
thus the majority of the last hundred and thirty-five years.
Its midpoint is now in November 1985.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 9th 1884.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was
3 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 71),
the future George V was under 3 months past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 weeks past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under seven months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than a year before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.


-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-09-04 01:59:33 UTC
Permalink
With today's rumblings the Queen may be ready to outlast yet another
parliament,and the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act would thus no longer
make the years of her Platinum and Golden-Diamond Jubilees election years.

If Mr. Speaker Bercow stands for reelection,
the current Father of the House Ken Clarke maintains his choice not to,
and prospective Father Dennis Skinner maintains his refusal to fill the role,
can Bercow's reelection thereby be forestalled?

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 15th 1884.

Queen Victoria,under 8 weeks past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
3 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 71),
the future George V was only 6 weeks past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under six months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than nine months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-09-26 21:36:40 UTC
Permalink
This Parliament shambles on,refusing to let itself be dissolved or prorogued.

The midpoint of the present reign has entered December 1985.

The Duke of Sussex recently turned 35...his brother was the first son of
a Prince of Wales to turn 36 (and both George V's brothers were dead before
he turned 27).

This update of the reference file,timed for the engagement of Princess
Beatrice,moves the reference date back to ten years before the birth of
Edward VIII.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 23rd 1884.

Queen Victoria,under a month past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
4 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is only 7 weeks from 71),
the future George V was under 3 weeks past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under five months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than nine months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-10-19 22:20:05 UTC
Permalink
Another State Opening is history and it's generally perceived as the last of
this Parliament,but the Queen soldiers on.The Duke of Edinburgh is less than
twenty months from completing his 100th year.

The reference date has now moved back before the 19th birthday of George V,
as the Prince of Wales gets ever closer to age 71 (which George V never
reached,and at which William IV died).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 31st 1884.

Queen Victoria,only a week past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
5 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 weeks from 71),
the future George V was 3 days from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under four months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than eight months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-10-25 21:05:42 UTC
Permalink
A somewhat premature revision passing the midpoint of the Queen's 94th
year (as the reference file moves back before Queen Victoria's 65th birthday)
to note a couple of records that came to mind:

not only is the Queen the longest-reigning British monarch
and the Prince of Wales the longest-serving British heir apparent,
but the Duke of Cambridge has spent the longest time as second in line,
and the Duke of Sussex,from his birth to that of Prince George,spent
the longest-ever time as third in line.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 23rd 1884.

Queen Victoria,a day from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
5 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 weeks from 71),
the future George V was 11 days from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under four months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than seven months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-11-14 17:48:05 UTC
Permalink
An update for the 71st birthday of the Prince of Wales
(which HRH chose to observe in Bombay).

The midpoint of the present reign has reached Christmas 1985.
Lord Bramall,who died this week,was the last surviving holder
of five-star rank as of that time other than the Duke of Edinburgh
(who is nearing the midpoint of his 99th year).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 2nd 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 3 weeks from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was
more than 6 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is now 71),
the future George V was more than a month from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under three months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than seven months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-12-15 19:58:29 UTC
Permalink
The 18th general election of the present reign is history,
and the 2010s decade draws to a close with the reign that
included all of the 1960s,1970s,1980s,1990s,and 2000s decades
still continuing...
Peter Phillips has become the first 42-year-old grandchild of
a living British monarch,though his daughter,about to turn nine,
is far off the age that Queen Victoria lived to see her eldest
great-grandchild reach.(Prince George however is about two
months from the record for oldest child of a son of a Prince
of Wales).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on April 2nd 1884.

Queen Victoria,more than 7 weeks from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was less
than 5 months past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over a month past 71),
the future George V was over 2 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 5 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under two months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than six months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-01-01 21:51:15 UTC
Permalink
An update for the New Year 2020.

The midpoint of the current reign has moved past the middle of January 1986.
At 36 days short of 68 years it is now longer than the entire life of George IV
(who died 47 days before he would have turned 68).The Queen has the oldest child,
oldest daughter,and oldest grandchild of any living British Sovereign ever.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 15th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was less
than 5 months past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 weeks past 71),
the future George V was over 2 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under 6 weeks old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than five months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-02-07 01:36:11 UTC
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The Queen has now completed 68 years on the throne,
and her reign thus divides evenly into four 17-year
segments (1952-69,1969-86,1986-2003,and 2003-20).
Another year,and it will divide evenly into three
23-year segments,but this is the year that the
two-thirds point passes the death date of the late
Princess of Wales.

This marks the Diocese of Southwell's final appearance
as extant in the reference file.
Note also a new senior baronet.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 8th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was less
than 3 months past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 71),
the future George V was over 3 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was only 3 days old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than four months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-02-11 20:36:26 UTC
Permalink
Another short-interval revision to
mark the fact that I have now been posting this file
for over ten years.

When I began the reference date had barely moved back before
the birth of Harold Macmillan as the Queen had reigned just
over 58 years...now that the 68th anniversary of her accession
has passed the period for most of which she has reigned has
grown by twenty years,and Churchill's age at the reference
age has gone from nineteen to nine,Attlee's from eleven to one.

The contrasted royal grandsons have moved from a married
George V and a 27-year-old unmarried William to a teenage
George V and William having three children.

I hope the reign goes a good while yet.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 2nd 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was less
than 3 months past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 71),
the future George V was over 4 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was less than a month past a year old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than four months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-02-23 01:07:09 UTC
Permalink
This revision is to note that Prince George has now surpassed
the age of the future Edward VIII at the death of Queen Victoria,
so the Sovereign and all three direct heirs apparent hold the
record for age of someone in their respective positions.
The Queen is within 2 months of 94,Queen Victoria died over 4 months
short of 82.
Edward VII acceded less than 3 months after turning 59,
Prince Charles remains Prince of Wales over 3 months after turning 71.
George V became Duke of Cornwall 132 days before turning 36,
Prince William still awaits that distinction 150 days from age 38.
And Edward VIII stopped being grandson of a Prince of Wales
before seven months had elapsed since his 6th birthday,
while George of Cambridge maintains that status at that age.

Princess Charlotte holds the record for oldest daughter of a son
of a Prince of Wales,while the son of the Duke of Sussex (the only
ever child of a younger son of a Prince of Wales) is shortly to
take the record for oldest third-oldest grandson of a Prince of
Wales.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 24th 1884.

Queen Victoria,4 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was less
than 3 months past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 71),
the future George V was over 4 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was under 4 weeks past a year old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than four months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-03-15 19:44:37 UTC
Permalink
A revision to mark the fact that the reference
date has moved backward into 1883.

At ANY time in 1884,it was closer to the accession
of the present Queen of the UK than we are now.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 31st 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
8 weeks past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 71),
the future George V was over 5 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was 3 days less than a year old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was about to seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for nearly thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
under three months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-04-21 16:28:46 UTC
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A revision for the Queen's 94th birthday.

To reach that age George III would have had to live to 1832,
George IV to 1856,
William IV to 1859,
Victoria to 1913,
Edward VII to 1935,
George V to 1959,
Edward VIII to 1988,
George VI to 1989.

If they match it the Prince of Wales will live to 2042,
the Duke of Cambridge to 2076,
Prince George to 2107.

Of course,Prince Philip is less than two months from 99.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 26th 1883.

Queen Victoria,nearly 6 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 71),
the future George V was over 6 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under 11 months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was about to seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for nearly thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
under 6 weeks before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-05-15 17:05:30 UTC
Permalink
A revision after a number of birthdays and reflecting some
changes as the reference date moves ever backward...now into
the life of a peer who inherited his title in 1815.

The current Earl Grey has now turned 80 (his elder brother held
the title when I first started posting this file) and the reference
date has moved almost 11 years before the death of his great-great-
grandfather's elder brother.

Princess Charlotte has turned 5...already the oldest daughter of
a son of a Prince of Wales,she is weeks from passing George VI as
oldest second child of a son of a Prince of Wales,though years from
being eldest-ever granddaughter,or second child of a child,of a Prince of Wales.
(At Victoria's death,George V's sister had daughters aged 9 and 7).

Zara Phillips turns 39 today...not yet eldest granddaughter of a Sovereign.

The Duke of Sussex is now older than George V was at the death of Victoria,
making him the oldest third-oldest grandson of a Sovereign and second-oldest
(behind his brother) son of a Prince of Wales.(At Victoria's death,Kaiser
Wilhelm II and his next brother were both older than the Duke of Cambridge,
and their sister Charlotte a year and a half older than Zara Phillips;
all three were younger than Peter Phillips).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 31st 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was
9 days from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 71),
the future George V was under 5 months past 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 6 weeks from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than a year and a half old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under 10 months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
under 2 weeks before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-06-10 16:51:58 UTC
Permalink
A revision for the 99th birthday of the Duke of Edinburgh...
matching this age would take the Prince of Wales to 2047,
the Duke of Cambridge to 2081,
and Prince George to 2112.

Princess Charlotte now overtakes George VI as the oldest-ever
second-oldest child of a son of a Prince of Wales.(She's already
the oldest-ever daughter of a son of a Prince of Wales,but still
only the third-oldest granddaughter of a Prince of Wales).

The reference file below has now moved back before the final
occasion on which someone born in the 1700s succeeded to a
peerage.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 8th 1883.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
a month from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 71),
the future George V was under 5 months past 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 weeks from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than a year and a half old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under 10 months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-06-21 19:22:27 UTC
Permalink
An incremental update to mark the 38th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge.
He extends his record as oldest-ever son of a Prince of Wales.

At his age George VI was under three years,
Edward VIII under three and a half years,
George V under seven years from accession to the throne;
George V became Duke of Cornwall at 35 and Prince of Wales at 36
and those were record ages.

The midpoint of the current reign has almost reached the Queen's
60th birthday,since which British diplomats and civil servants
younger than HM have faced mandatory retirement on grounds of age.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 26th 1883.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 weeks from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 72),
the future George V was under 4 months past 18(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than a year and a half old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under nine months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-07-22 18:05:58 UTC
Permalink
An update to mark the seventh birthday of Prince George,
shortly after the Queen completed 25,000 days on the throne
(thus the reference date below has now moved that far before
February 6th 1952) and the midpoint of her reign moved past
her 60th birthday (so for MOST of HM's reign her diplomats
and civil servants YOUNGER than she have been getting retired
on account of old age).

I actually remember reading an early-1980s poll where supposedly
most Britons thought it would be a good idea for the Queen to
abdicate at 60...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 27th 1883.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 72),
the future George V was under 3 months past 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than a year and a half old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under eight months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-08-16 01:55:46 UTC
Permalink
An update for the 70th birthday of the Princess Royal,
second septuagenarian among the Queen's children.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 1st 1883.

Queen Victoria,less than 3 months past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 72),
the future George V was under 2 months past 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 7 weeks past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than a year and a half old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under seven months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-09-21 15:45:13 UTC
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For this update I note that the Prince of Wales,
long poised to surpass William IV's record age at accession,
has now surpassed the age at which that King died...only
George II,George III,and Victoria were alive and reigning
at the present Heir Apparent's age,with Edward VIII alive
but decades abdicated and George III nearing the Regency.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 28th 1883.

Queen Victoria,just 5 weeks past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
4 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 8 weeks from 72),
the future George V was under 4 weeks past 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 3 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than fourteen months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under six months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-10-15 01:31:15 UTC
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The reference date now passes back before George V's 18th birthday,
as the present Prince of Wales comes within a month of 72...future
Archbishop Davidson's designation as Dean of Windsor (having been
priest-secretary to the Archbishop of Canterbury) was barely before
the reference date (it was mentioned in the NY Times on May 27th,
apparently).

Even fifty-one and a half years after accession,the Queen was still
closer to the midpoint of her reign than to the end of it.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 2nd 1883.

Queen Victoria,only 9 days past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is only a month from 72),
the future George V was a day from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under thirteen months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under five months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-10-21 21:35:29 UTC
Permalink
An update for the Queen's half-birthday (HM is now six months past 94)
after a rather brief interval because some updates were missed...the
reference file should have previously reflected the 100th birthday of
Lord Saye and Sele last month,and the reference date moving back within
the lifetime of an Earl born in 1792 some months ago.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 27th 1883.

Queen Victoria,only 3 days past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 weeks from 72),
the future George V was a week from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 4 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was days over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under five months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 100-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-10-29 01:04:07 UTC
Permalink
Another earlier-than-normal update because I discovered I had missed some
of the CoE dioceses whose history is now mostly in the current reign and
had missed the revision relating to Sir Patrick Grant (first promoted
of the 1804-born Field Marshals,he was elevated in June 1883 and I had
had March stuck in my head).I drop reference to Davidson as I do not
think that he had yet become Dean of Windsor as of the reference date.

The midpoint of the current reign has moved a week past Prince Philip's
65th birthday and the one-third point has entered 1975.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 22nd 1883.

Queen Victoria,2 days from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 weeks from 72),
the future George V was 12 days from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was a day under a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under five months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 100-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-11-14 15:49:02 UTC
Permalink
A revision for the 72nd birthday of the Prince of Wales,
as Parliament has started announcing plans for the 2022
jubilee of 70 years of the Queen's reign...


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 3rd 1883.

Queen Victoria,3 weeks from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is now 72),
the future George V was a month from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was four months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 100-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-12-21 16:16:17 UTC
Permalink
A revision for the half-birthday of the Duke of Cambridge
(now six months past 38).The Duke of Edinburgh is now more
than six months past 99 (so less than six months from 100).

The start of October 2003 is now closer to the middle of
the present reign than it is to the present day.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 29th 1883.

Queen Victoria,8 weeks from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 weeks past 72),
the future George V was over 2 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 6 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under 11 months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under three months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 100-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-01-16 07:29:28 UTC
Permalink
Time I added a revision this year as we are in the last month
of the 69th year of the Queen's reign...this version adds an
omitted baron of note.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 5th 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is now 2 months past 72),
the future George V was over 2 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under ten months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under three months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-02-06 19:07:22 UTC
Permalink
In 1995 I made a post observing the 69th birthday of Queen
Elizabeth II,and the republican fussbudget Mike Dickson of
Black Cat Software replied "I sincerely hope she never sees 70."

He has now been so thoroughly frustrated that Her Majesty has
reached 69 years of reign,with plans made for her celebrating
reaching 70.

I began the "Consider This..." series in 2010 as the completion
of 58 years of the Queen's reign meant she had reigned for
most of the time since the birth of Macmillan(February 10th 1894).
Now,as the reference date ever recedes,Attlee is nearing being
chased back into the womb,and Lloyd George is weeks from joining
the teenagers.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 8th 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 72),
the future George V was over 3 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was barely nine months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was barely five weeks old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
Louis Epstein
2021-02-11 23:46:16 UTC
Permalink
An ahead-of-norm update because I found I had failed to make
some appropriate updates...the reference date had at last post
actually passed within three months of Edward VII's birthday
(born November 9th 1841) and was no longer more than nine
months past the establishment of the Diocese of Newcastle
(late May 1882).

The Queen's great-grandchildren now outnumber her grandchildren,
a milestone Queen Victoria (who had far more of each) did not
live to see and which depends on families' childbearing choices
(the current LDS Church President is under a year and a half
older than the Queen,but has 57 grandchildren and 140 great-
grandchildren and his first great-great-grandchild (Queen Victoria
would not have had to reach 86 to see hers,while the current Queen's
eldest great-grandchild is not far past her 10th birthday so a
future generation would likely need Her Majesty to live past 105)).

Only two of Queen Victoria's great-grandchildren had been born
as of the current reference date and as many of Victoria's
grandchildren as the current Queen has (8) had not been born
yet,such as Princess Alice,Countess of Athlone (February
25th 1883-January 3rd 1981).
-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 2nd 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 72),
the future George V was over 4 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under nine months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under a month old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-03-13 02:08:00 UTC
Permalink
Clement Attlee's final appearance in the reference file as having
been alive already,and Lloyd George's first among the teenagers.

The Queen has now reigned for longer than the time from the 19th
birthday of the late Duke of Clarence and Avondale to the date
of her accession...and December 2003 began closer to the midpoint
of her reign than to the present.

-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 7th 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
2 months past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 72),
the future George V was over 4 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under eight months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was eight years old,Attlee was four days old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-03-18 23:30:10 UTC
Permalink
The first revision with the reference date moved back into 1882.

Probably the last before it moves back before HMS Camperdown
was laid down.

Seventy years from 1882 to 1952 of course will be matched next year
when the reference date moves back to February 6th 1882 on February
6th 2022.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 30th 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
8 weeks past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 72),
the future George V was over 5 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under eight months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was eight years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-04-09 13:07:03 UTC
Permalink
I had expected not to repost before the Queen turns 95 on April 21st
but must of course repost to mark the death of the Duke of Edinburgh
(at an age Her Majesty would match in February 2026 after 74 years
on the Throne,and Prince George would match in May 2113).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 9th 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was only
a month past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 72),
the future George V was over 5 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under seven months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was eight years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-04-21 19:24:24 UTC
Permalink
The customary Queen's Birthday revision as Her Majesty turns 95.
The Prince of Wales would reach this age in November 2043,
the Duke of Cambridge in June 2077,
and Prince George in July 2108.

Longtime MP Dame Cheryl Gillan,who died earlier this month
and was born on the Queen's first birthday as Queen,would have
been 69 today...my first Queen's Birthday post to a newsgroup,
before this file was created,was for Her Majesty's 69th,and I
rejoice that Mike Dickson,who replied "I sincerely hope she
never turns 70",remains frustrated.

The midpoint of the present reign has now reached the end of 2003.

The reference date has moved back past Winston Churchill's 8th
birthday.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 28th 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 72),
the future George V was over 6 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under seven months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-05-15 07:19:53 UTC
Permalink
A revision correcting an omitted update
(since the reference date moved back into 1882
the Golden Jubilee has been in the FIFTH,not
fourth,year following) and an overstatement
(the midpoint of the current reign has of course
NOT reached the end of 2003,it is still in late
September 1986...it has now become the case that
even much of January 2004 was CLOSER TO the midpoint
than to the present,but that is a far cry from the
midpoint itself moving that far.

Making his debut in this posting is an earl who was
an MP during the Regency and in government in the
reign of George IV...the Queen has now been the
Queen for most of the time since his death.

-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 3rd 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was 6
days from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is now 6 months past 72),
the future George V was only 5 months past 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 6 weeks from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under six months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-06-22 01:16:48 UTC
Permalink
A revision for the 39th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge.

The oldest-ever Prince of Wales has the two oldest-ever sons
of a Prince of Wales,and the oldest-ever grandson of a Prince
of Wales,and oldest-ever daughter of a son of a Prince of Wales
(though the daughters of Edward VII's daughter currently retain
the records for oldest grandchild (Alexandra) and oldest granddaughters
(Alexandra first and Maud second) of a Prince of Wales).

The Queen is now two months past 95,a milestone the Prince of Wales
would not reach until January 2044.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 26th 1882.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 63,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 weeks from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 73),
the future George V was under 4 months past 17(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under five months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-06-26 20:02:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Louis Epstein
A revision for the 39th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge.
The oldest-ever Prince of Wales has the two oldest-ever sons
of a Prince of Wales,and the oldest-ever grandson of a Prince
of Wales,and oldest-ever daughter of a son of a Prince of Wales
(and,I forgot to clarify,oldest-ever child and second child of a
son of a Prince of Wales)
Post by Louis Epstein
(though the daughters of Edward VII's daughter currently retain
the records for oldest grandchild (Alexandra) and oldest granddaughters
(Alexandra first and Maud second) of a Prince of Wales).
The Queen is now two months past 95,a milestone the Prince of Wales
would not reach until January 2044.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 26th 1882.
Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 63,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 weeks from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 73),
the future George V was under 4 months past 17(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under five months old.
Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-07-22 22:45:15 UTC
Permalink
A revision for the 8th birthday of Prince George of Cambridge,
who extends his record as oldest-ever third-direct-heir.
The reference date moves back into August 1882.

At age 8 the current Prince of Wales had already been Duke of Cornwall
for most of his life,while Edward VIII was halfway from birth to his
own designation as Prince of Wales (which was on his 16th birthday).

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 29th 1882.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 63,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 73),
the future George V was under 3 months past 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under four months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-08-21 23:39:32 UTC
Permalink
The Queen is now four months past 95,
the Duke of Cambridge 2 months past 39.
The Princess Royal recently turned 71.

The midpoint of the present reign has passed Remembrance Day 1986
(how many then would have thought it was not yet half over?)


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 29th 1882.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 63,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 73),
the future George V was only 8 weeks past 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 2 months past 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under three months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-09-14 20:43:28 UTC
Permalink
Today the Prince of Wales is two months from 73,
and his investiture ceremony July 1st 1969 has
just passed within the first quarter of the Queen's reign.

At the reign's midpoint he was 38,and when he turned 55
the reign was still closer to its midpoint than its eventual
end,a disparity that grows daily.

I also note the death of the Prime Minister's mother,
who was nine years old at the Queen's accession.
(David Cameron remains the only Prime Minister born
after the death of the Queen's first Prime Minister,
but his mother was born eight years before Johnson's).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 3rd 1882.

Queen Victoria,under 6 weeks past 63,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
4 months from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is only 2 months from 73),
the future George V was only a month past 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine and a half years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under 6 weeks old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-09-22 00:43:33 UTC
Permalink
Another of those just-caught-a-mistake revisions
after an unusually short interval...I realized that
the reference date (now moving back into the first half
of 1882) had moved past the appointment of Lord Esher
as Master of the Rolls.(His predecessor was younger than
he so not noted below).

The current Lord Chief Justice and Master of the Rolls
were born during the current reign.

The Duke of Cambridge is now 3 months past 39 and the
Queen 5 months past 95...Her Majesty reached his current
age in July 1965 and he would reach hers in November 2077.
Prince George would not reach the latter until December 2108.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 28th 1882.

Queen Victoria,only 5 weeks past 63,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
4 months from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is under 8 weeks from 73),
the future George V was under 4 weeks past 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 3 months past 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine and a half years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was barely 5 weeks old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-10-19 04:25:24 UTC
Permalink
The reference date in the file moves back before the
17th birthday of George V...and is about to reach the
fifteenth birthday of his wife(born May 26th 1867).

The midpoint of the present reign has moved forward past
the fiftieth anniversary of the abdication of Edward VIII.
(When I first started posting the file the reference date
was just months before his birth and the midpoint of the
current reign was in early 1981 before the marriage of the
Prince of Wales).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 30th 1882.

Queen Victoria,under a week past 63,was on the throne;
she was five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 weeks from 73),
the future George V was 4 days from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine and a half years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six and a half years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was one week old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.



-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-11-14 21:23:03 UTC
Permalink
An update for the 73rd birthday of the Prince of Wales.
He is of course the oldest-ever son and child,
and the Princess Royal the oldest-ever daughter and second-oldest
ever child and oldest-ever second-oldest-child of a living
Sovereign;
as of today the Princess Royal's children have both these
distinctions for grandchildren as well,as Zara Phillips passes
Charlotte of Saxe-Meiningen (eldest daughter of Queen Victoria's
eldest daughter) as her brother passed Kaiser Wilhelm II years ago.
The Duke of Cambridge's sons hold the records for oldest-ever
second- and third-oldest grandsons.

Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen,however,seems secure in the eldest
great-grandchild record,still over a decade ahead of Savannah
Phillips.

Even Prince Louis is now older than the Prince of Wales was
when he became Heir Apparent.

We must hope the Queen recovers from her current illness,
but in the meantime the file now reflects Her Majesty having
reigned for most of the entire history of the Diocese of
Newcastle.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 3rd 1882.

Queen Victoria,3 weeks from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 months from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is now 73),
the future George V was a month from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine and a half years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six and a half years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-12-12 22:02:16 UTC
Permalink
The midpoint of the current reign has entered 1987,
and the two-thirds point is a year after the death
of the late Princess of Wales.

The reference date on the file will soon be within
the first year of the reign of Alexander III,and I
will likely use that rather than fraction of reign
(now updated as applicable to him and Pope Leo)
in reference to him in the future.

This is probably the last update before Neville
Chamberlain is no longer recalled as a teenager
(born March 18,1869).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on April 5th 1882.

Queen Victoria,7 weeks from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is now 4 weeks past 73),
the future George V was over 8 weeks from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 5 months past 39--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine and a half years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than five-sixths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2022-01-07 21:23:57 UTC
Permalink
As forecast last time,the Queen has now indeed reigned
for most of the time since Neville Chamberlain entered
his teens,and since less than a year after the assassination
of Alexander II of Russia.

This is the first update of this year,and the 70th
anniversary of the reign is fast approaching...other
milestones to expect this year are

HM's 96th birthday in April

The present reign outlasting the COMBINED reigns of
William IV and Victoria (June 26 1830 to January 22 1901)

The present reign outlasting the entire lifetime of George V
(June 3 1865 to January 20 1936)(It has already outlasted
the lifespans of George IV and Edward VII and others)

The Duke of Cambridge reaching the age at which George VI
became Heir Presumptive(December 14 1895 to January 20 1936)

Here is the present state of the file.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 12th 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 7 weeks past 73),
the future George V was over 2 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 39--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine and a half years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was seven years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
The Doctor
2022-01-07 22:47:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Louis Epstein
As forecast last time,the Queen has now indeed reigned
for most of the time since Neville Chamberlain entered
his teens,and since less than a year after the assassination
of Alexander II of Russia.
This is the first update of this year,and the 70th
anniversary of the reign is fast approaching...other
milestones to expect this year are
HM's 96th birthday in April
The present reign outlasting the COMBINED reigns of
William IV and Victoria (June 26 1830 to January 22 1901)
The present reign outlasting the entire lifetime of George V
(June 3 1865 to January 20 1936)(It has already outlasted
the lifespans of George IV and Edward VII and others)
The Duke of Cambridge reaching the age at which George VI
became Heir Presumptive(December 14 1895 to January 20 1936)
Here is the present state of the file.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 12th 1882.
Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 7 weeks past 73),
the future George V was over 2 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 39--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine and a half years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.
Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was seven years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
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Louis Epstein
2022-01-21 20:00:54 UTC
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Probably last revision before the jubilee date next month;
note that when the year 2092 rolls around,the Queen will
STILL have been queen for most of the time since February
6th 1952!

Now in the reference file both Edward VII and the Duke of
Cambridge are reckoned with reference to turning 40...in
my first file in 2010 the Duke's age was compared to
George V's as the reference date was in 1894.


-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 24th 1882.

Queen Victoria,3 months from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 73),
the future George V was over 3 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 5 months from 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine and a half years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was seven years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2022-02-10 17:28:18 UTC
Permalink
My on-Jubilee revision lacked the customary cross-post
because I was answering a reply targeted to a.t.r (the
Saxe-Meiningen contribution is reflected) so here is a
revision for the first post-Jubilee mini-milestone:
reigning for most of the time since it was 4 months
before George V's seventeenth birthday.(The reference
date is also approaching the eighteenth birthday of,
and ten years before the death of,the Duke of Clarence).

And of course,seventy years hence,the Queen will still
have reigned for most of the time since February 6th
1952.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 3rd 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under 3
months past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 73),
the future George V was 4 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine and a half years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was seven years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2022-03-11 00:25:35 UTC
Permalink
The reference date has now indeed moved back before
the 18th birthday of Albert Victor Duke of Clarence.

And even at the end of August 2004 the present reign
was still closer to its middle than its eventual end.
(What odds might one have gotten on this at the time?)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 7th 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under 2
months past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 73),
the future George V was over 4 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was seven years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
Louis Epstein
2022-03-16 00:10:58 UTC
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Another "out of bounds" revision to catch an error
(I had omitted Lord Saye and Sele's 101st birthday
months ago...and he is now the oldest living peer
with the death of Viscount Falmouth(1919-2022) on
March 7th).
The only other remaining hereditary peers older than
the Queen (listed in order of birth)
are the Earl of Elgin & Kincardine,
Baron Monk Bretton(lone surviving peer of George V's reign),
Baron Walsingham,Baron Wakehurst,the Marquess of
Ailesbury,and Baron Gainford (born the day before
Her Majesty).

With the next revision,the reference date will move
back into 1881 (the year Disraeli died).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 3rd 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was only 8
weeks past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 73),
the future George V was 5 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was seven years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2022-03-19 03:05:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Louis Epstein
Another "out of bounds" revision to catch an error
(I had omitted Lord Saye and Sele's 101st birthday
months ago...and he is now the oldest living peer
with the death of Viscount Falmouth(1919-2022) on
March 7th).
The only other remaining hereditary peers older than
the Queen (listed in order of birth)
To interpolate the oldest holders of life peerages
among this number:
Baroness Sharples,
Baroness Knight of Collingree.
Post by Louis Epstein
are the Earl of Elgin & Kincardine,
Baron Monk Bretton(lone surviving peer of George V's reign),
Baron Walsingham,
Baron Plumb,
Baron Christopher,
Post by Louis Epstein
Baron Wakehurst,the Marquess of
Ailesbury,and Baron Gainford (born the day before
Her Majesty).
With the next revision,the reference date will move
back into 1881 (the year Disraeli died).
-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 3rd 1882.
Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was only 8
weeks past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 73),
the future George V was 5 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.
Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was seven years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2022-04-08 22:53:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Louis Epstein
Post by Louis Epstein
Another "out of bounds" revision to catch an error
(I had omitted Lord Saye and Sele's 101st birthday
months ago...and he is now the oldest living peer
with the death of Viscount Falmouth(1919-2022) on
March 7th).
The only other remaining hereditary peers older than
the Queen (listed in order of birth)
To interpolate the oldest holders of life peerages
Baroness Sharples,
Baroness Knight of Collingree.
Post by Louis Epstein
are the Earl of Elgin & Kincardine,
Baron Monk Bretton(lone surviving peer of George V's reign),
Baron Walsingham,
Baron Plumb,
Baron Christopher,
Post by Louis Epstein
Baron Wakehurst,the Marquess of
Ailesbury,and Baron Gainford (born the day before
Her Majesty).
Baron Gainford has now died.

The reference date has now moved back before 37 years before the
first General Election in which women voted.

This is the last update before the Queen turns 96 later this month:

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 9th 1881.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was only a
month past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 73),
the future George V was over 5 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was seven years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
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Another "out of bounds" revision to catch an error
(I had omitted Lord Saye and Sele's 101st birthday
months ago...and he is now the oldest living peer
with the death of Viscount Falmouth(1919-2022) on
March 7th).
The only other remaining hereditary peers older than
the Queen (listed in order of birth)
To interpolate the oldest holders of life peerages
Baroness Sharples,
Baroness Knight of Collingtree.
Now deceased...
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are the Earl of Elgin & Kincardine,
Baron Monk Bretton(lone surviving peer of George V's reign),
Baron Walsingham,
Baron Plumb,
Now deceased as well.
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Baron Christopher,
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Baron Wakehurst,the Marquess of
Ailesbury,and Baron Gainford (born the day before
Her Majesty).
Baron Gainford has now died.
So

Sept 22 1920 Saye and Sele B
Sharples Bss [L] Feb 11 1923
Feb 17 1924 Elgin & Kincardine E
July 17 1924 Monk Bretton B
Feb 21 1925 Walsingham B
Christopher B [L] April 25 1925
Sept 23 1925 Wakehurst B
March 31 1926 Ailesbury M

(Will the Queen survive them all?)
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Another "out of bounds" revision to catch an error
(I had omitted Lord Saye and Sele's 101st birthday
months ago...and he is now the oldest living peer
with the death of Viscount Falmouth(1919-2022) on
March 7th).
The only other remaining hereditary peers older than
the Queen (listed in order of birth)
To interpolate the oldest holders of life peerages
Baroness Sharples,
Baroness Knight of Collingtree.
Now deceased...
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are the Earl of Elgin & Kincardine,
Baron Monk Bretton(lone surviving peer of George V's reign),
Baron Walsingham,
Baron Plumb,
Now deceased as well.
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Baron Christopher,
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Baron Wakehurst,the Marquess of
Ailesbury,and Baron Gainford (born the day before
Her Majesty).
Baron Gainford has now died.
So
Sept 22 1920 Saye and Sele B
Sharples Bss [L] Feb 11 1923
...died May 19th 2022.
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Feb 17 1924 Elgin & Kincardine E
July 17 1924 Monk Bretton B
Feb 21 1925 Walsingham B
Christopher B [L] April 25 1925
Now the oldest life peer.
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Sept 23 1925 Wakehurst B
March 31 1926 Ailesbury M
(Will the Queen survive them all?)
Seven remain!
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Another "out of bounds" revision to catch an error
(I had omitted Lord Saye and Sele's 101st birthday
months ago...and he is now the oldest living peer
with the death of Viscount Falmouth(1919-2022) on
March 7th).
The only other remaining hereditary peers older than
the Queen (listed in order of birth)
To interpolate the oldest holders of life peerages
Baroness Sharples,
Baroness Knight of Collingtree.
Now deceased...
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are the Earl of Elgin & Kincardine,
Baron Monk Bretton(lone surviving peer of George V's reign),
Baron Walsingham,
Baron Plumb,
Now deceased as well.
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Baron Christopher,
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Baron Wakehurst,the Marquess of
Ailesbury,and Baron Gainford (born the day before
Her Majesty).
Baron Gainford has now died.
So
Sept 22 1920 Saye and Sele B
Sharples Bss [L] Feb 11 1923
...died May 19th 2022.
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Feb 17 1924 Elgin & Kincardine E
July 17 1924 Monk Bretton B
Died May 26th 2022.
Longest tenured holder of a peerage in history
(acceded in July 1933).
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Feb 21 1925 Walsingham B
Christopher B [L] April 25 1925
Now the oldest life peer.
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Sept 23 1925 Wakehurst B
March 31 1926 Ailesbury M
(Will the Queen survive them all?)
Seven remain!
Six remain!
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The Queen has turned 96,and therefore has
been a member of the British Royal Family
for most of the time since April 22nd 1830
(months before the death of George IV).

As to her reign,the reference date has now
moved back before the seventh birthday of
Winston Churchill.

I see that a biography of the Duke of Cambridge
at 40 is planned for release around that birthday;
he is of course the oldest ever child of a Prince
of Wales,and his children hold some records for
children of a son of a Prince of Wales (Prince
George oldest child or son,Princess Charlotte
oldest second child or daughter,Prince Louis who
turns 4 shortly the oldest third child but not
yet oldest second son).

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 25th 1881.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under 3
weeks past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 73),
the future George V was over 6 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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As observed on a branch,the Queen has now
reigned longer than the 1858-1929 tenure
(also unregented,he acceded at 18) of Prince
Johann II of Liechtenstein.

The reference date has now moved back before the 40th
birthday of Edward VII,while the present day moves toward
the 40th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge...soon the
referenced ages will cross,just as the ages of Queen Victoria
and the Prince of Wales did.The reference-date age of George V
is now less than twice the present age of the prospective
George VII,who was not yet born when I started compiling this.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 8th 1881.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 63,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was a day
short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 73),
the future George V was over 6 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 6 weeks from 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2022-06-02 22:17:02 UTC
Permalink
An update for the Jubilee celebrations.

As noted as imminent in the last update,the Duke of Cambridge
is now older than the age of Edward VII as of the
ever-receding reference date...I have also added a
note as to the recency,compared to the reference date,
of the Ballot Act of 1872 (before then MPs were chosen
by show of hands in at least some places).

The midpoint of the current reign has entered April 1987,
and the start of November 2004 is now closer to the
middle of Her Majesty's reign than to the present.
The end of the middle third is approaching the end of 1998.

-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 14th 1881.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than 3
weeks short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 73),
the future George V was under 5 months past 16(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 weeks from 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under 2 years old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2022-06-21 23:41:39 UTC
Permalink
A revision for the 40th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,
which also marks two months after the Queen turned 96.

The Queen's current age would be reached by the
Prince of Wales in January 2045,
the Duke of Cambridge in August 2078,
and by Prince George in September 2109.

When the Prince of Wales turned 56,the Queen's reign
was still closer to its middle than to its eventual end.

When George V turned 40,Edward VII's reign was only
months from reaching its midpoint,when Edward VIII turned
40 George V's reign was less than 2 years from ending,
when George VI turned 40 Edward VIII's reign was just
under a year,and George V's just over a month,from ending.


-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 28th 1881.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was 6 weeks
short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 74),
the future George V was under 4 months past 16(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven and a half years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under a year and a half old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
The Doctor
2022-06-22 00:24:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Louis Epstein
A revision for the 40th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,
which also marks two months after the Queen turned 96.
The Queen's current age would be reached by the
Prince of Wales in January 2045,
the Duke of Cambridge in August 2078,
and by Prince George in September 2109.
When the Prince of Wales turned 56,the Queen's reign
was still closer to its middle than to its eventual end.
When George V turned 40,Edward VII's reign was only
months from reaching its midpoint,when Edward VIII turned
40 George V's reign was less than 2 years from ending,
when George VI turned 40 Edward VIII's reign was just
under a year,and George V's just over a month,from ending.
-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 28th 1881.
Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was 6 weeks
short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 74),
the future George V was under 4 months past 16(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven and a half years to live.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under a year and a half old.
Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
God save the Queen. Let the Republics burn in Hell!
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Louis Epstein
2022-07-16 09:00:42 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Louis Epstein
A revision for the 40th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,
which also marks two months after the Queen turned 96.
The Queen's current age would be reached by the
Prince of Wales in January 2045,
the Duke of Cambridge in August 2078,
and by Prince George in September 2109.
When the Prince of Wales turned 56,the Queen's reign
was still closer to its middle than to its eventual end.
When George V turned 40,Edward VII's reign was only
months from reaching its midpoint,when Edward VIII turned
40 George V's reign was less than 2 years from ending,
when George VI turned 40 Edward VIII's reign was just
under a year,and George V's just over a month,from ending.
-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 28th 1881.
Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was 6 weeks
short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 74),
the future George V was under 4 months past 16(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven and a half years to live.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under a year and a half old.
Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
God save the Queen. Let the Republics burn in Hell!
(And shame on Barbados).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
The Doctor
2022-07-16 14:40:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Louis Epstein
Post by The Doctor
Post by Louis Epstein
A revision for the 40th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,
which also marks two months after the Queen turned 96.
The Queen's current age would be reached by the
Prince of Wales in January 2045,
the Duke of Cambridge in August 2078,
and by Prince George in September 2109.
When the Prince of Wales turned 56,the Queen's reign
was still closer to its middle than to its eventual end.
When George V turned 40,Edward VII's reign was only
months from reaching its midpoint,when Edward VIII turned
40 George V's reign was less than 2 years from ending,
when George VI turned 40 Edward VIII's reign was just
under a year,and George V's just over a month,from ending.
-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 28th 1881.
Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was 6 weeks
short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 74),
the future George V was under 4 months past 16(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven and a half years to live.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under a year and a half old.
Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than a year,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
God save the Queen. Let the Republics burn in Hell!
(And shame on Barbados).
May a hurricane flood out Guyana, Trinidad, Tobago , Barbados and Dominica!
Post by Louis Epstein
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Louis Epstein
2022-07-22 19:53:04 UTC
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A revision for the 9th birthday of
Prince George of Cambridge...of course the
oldest-ever third-direct-heir.In the coming
year HRH should pass the age at which his
grandfather was created Prince of Wales
and the record set by Princess Alexandra
of Fife as oldest grandchild of a Prince of
Wales.
He would not surpass the Queen's current age
until October 2109,the age at death of the
late Duke of Edinburgh until May 2113,or
that of the late Queen Mother until March 2115.

The midpoint of the current reign is at the
end of April 1987;the middle third begins in
August 1975,and more than a week of December
2004 has become closer to the midpoint than
the present.

The next Prime Minister will be the first born
after the death of Attlee.
-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 26th 1881.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than 2
months short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 74),
the future George V was under 3 months past 16(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven and a half years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under a year and a half old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than six months,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2022-08-16 18:34:57 UTC
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This revision of the reference file
for the first time makes reference to the
age of the Duke of Cambridge in comparison
to that of George VI,who at the Duke's present
age was already Heir Presumptive to Edward VIII,
barely ten months from abdication/accession.
Comparisons of the Duke's age to Edwards would
follow in due course.

Also on the horizon are comparisons of Prince
George's age to the Queen's as she moved from
third to second in line in January 1936 and
second to first in December 1936...Prince
George is now 25 days past 9 years old,which
the Queen reached in May 1935.

The midpoint of the present reign is in May 1987.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 1st 1881.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than 3
months short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 74),
the future George V was under 2 months past 16(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 8 weeks past 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now,and George VI
was Heir Presumptive at the Duke's present age),not yet Duke of York,
and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven and a half years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under a year and a half old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than five months,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2022-09-05 03:24:00 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
This revision of the reference file
for the first time makes reference to the
age of the Duke of Cambridge in comparison
to that of George VI,who at the Duke's present
age was already Heir Presumptive to Edward VIII,
barely ten months from abdication/accession.
Comparisons of the Duke's age to Edward's would
follow in due course.
Also on the horizon are comparisons of Prince
George's age to the Queen's as she moved from
third to second in line in January 1936 and
second to first in December 1936...Prince
George is now 25 days past 9 years old,which
the Queen reached in May 1935.
The midpoint of the present reign is in May 1987.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 1st 1881.
Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than 3
months short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 74),
the future George V was under 2 months past 16(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 8 weeks past 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now,and George VI
was Heir Presumptive at the Duke's present age),not yet Duke of York,
and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven and a half years to live.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under a year and a half old.
Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
a decade.
Error here,corrected in my file and will be so in next posting;
Hardie turned 25 on August 15th 1881 and the reference date
is now before that.
Post by Louis Epstein
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than five months,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2022-09-08 17:36:18 UTC
Permalink
The Queen is dead,long live the King.

The midpoint of her reign was May 24th 1987.

A final posting of this:

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 8th 1881.

Queen Victoria,under 7 weeks past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than 4
months short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 74),
the future George V was only 5 weeks past 16(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now,and George VI
was Heir Presumptive at the Duke's present age),not yet Duke of York,
and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven and a half years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under a year and a half old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-four and would not be an MP for over
a decade.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).

Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than four months,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II was on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
The Doctor
2022-09-08 18:07:01 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
The Queen is dead,long live the King.
The midpoint of her reign was May 24th 1987.
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 8th 1881.
Queen Victoria,under 7 weeks past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than 4
months short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 74),
the future George V was only 5 weeks past 16(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now,and George VI
was Heir Presumptive at the Duke's present age),not yet Duke of York,
and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven and a half years to live.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under a year and a half old.
Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-four and would not be an MP for over
a decade.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than four months,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II was on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
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Louis Epstein
2022-09-11 17:35:15 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
The Queen is dead,long live the King.
The midpoint of her reign was May 24th 1987.
A final milestone achieved a few days before Her Majesty's
death was the length of her reign exceeding that of the
combined and consecutive reigns of William IV and Victoria
(June 26th 1830 to January 22nd 1901).

Her Majesty lived 35,204 days,which would be matched by
Charles III on April 3,2045
the Prince of Wales on November 8,2078
Prince George on December 10,2109

Of course,if they could match Prince Philip's or the
late Queen Mother's lifespan,they would live longer.
Post by Louis Epstein
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 8th 1881.
Queen Victoria,under 7 weeks past 62,was on the throne;
she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than 4
months short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 74),
the future George V was only 5 weeks past 16(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now,and George VI
was Heir Presumptive at the Duke's present age),not yet Duke of York,
and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over seven and a half years to live.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Liverpool was under a year and a half old.
Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was aged twenty-four and would not be an MP for over
a decade.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
for nine years).
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
Bailey would not open for decades.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 101-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830,
who had over a decade to live;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802,
and that of Llandaff Alfred Ollivant,born 1798.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had been Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all
the Russias for less than four months,and Leo XIII(born 1810) had
more than five-sixths of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.Bernhard II,though abdicated from Saxe-
Meiningen,was still alive and had become Duke during the
Holy Roman Empire.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II was on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
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