Discussion:
Polish Workers Only Please
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Maria
2009-03-27 13:58:25 UTC
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http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html

Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.

A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research organisation
Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are "unofficially"
channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies to work in factory
work, particularly food processing and packaging.

The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in the
UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel the row
over "British jobs for British workers".

The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This may
have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."

<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't think
anyone believed me>
Mark, Devon
2009-03-27 14:50:47 UTC
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http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitm...
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research organisation
Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are "unofficially"
channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies to work in factory
work, particularly food processing and packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in the
UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel the row
over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This may
have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't think
anyone believed me>
Perhaps it would be wise to read the whole of the report in order to
get a balanced (rather than another of your 'bash the Poles') view?
Much of the report refers to the benefits of those from A8 countries
working in the UK.
Lou Ravi
2009-03-27 14:58:30 UTC
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Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research
organisation Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are
"unofficially" channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies
to work in factory work, particularly food processing and packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in
the UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel
the row over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This may
have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't
think anyone believed me>
The important thing Maria is *are they being paid the same as British
workers* be it the minimum? If not then it is clearly wrong and, I
believe, clearly illegal. As you've no doubt gathered over time, I have
nothing against immigrants per se (though I might have against
immigration as a policy and the possible social consequences of that)
nor could I, have being an immigrant myself to France, but I believe
that, as an immigrant, you have to play the game, and emplpyers and
society should also do so. Society, the official part, does. Some think
too much so, an immigrant has a great number of rights that have been
won for them by the host people over the centuries but that they
themselves have not yet contributed to. However if they contribute in
their turn, as and when they can, then they shoud be welcomed and
integrated. If they just want to reap the benefits without contributing
then they should be rightly condemned.

But they have to be in a position to contribute, have a home, a proper
job, however badly paid, and that is not possible if they are exploited
by dodgy sub-contractors employing them for 2UKP an hour. Nor, as you
understand, is that detrimental to them but is so to the whole of
society, for the greedy employers are not ready to pay for the best man
but only the cheapest.
Iapetus
2009-03-27 15:18:39 UTC
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Post by Lou Ravi
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research
organisation Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are
"unofficially" channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies
to work in factory work, particularly food processing and packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in
the UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel
the row over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This may
have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't
think anyone believed me>
The important thing Maria is *are they being paid the same as British
workers* be it the minimum? If not then it is clearly wrong and, I
believe, clearly illegal.
You can bet your arse they charge the employer the same as they would
for a British worker, but pay less.
Aramis Gunton
2009-03-27 19:50:39 UTC
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Post by Lou Ravi
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research
organisation Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are
"unofficially" channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies
to work in factory work, particularly food processing and packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in
the UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel
the row over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This may
have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't
think anyone believed me>
The important thing Maria is *are they being paid the same as British
workers* be it the minimum?
The crew I employed came via an agency as far as I know. The bottom line for
me was the experience of the workers and the final quote. To be frank as the
quality of the finished work was up to par I couldn't give a rat's arse what
the workers eventually staggered back to their caravan with.

Truth be told if one can save 30% and have the same you'd be either
incredibly wealthy or stupid to opt to pay more.
Post by Lou Ravi
If not then it is clearly wrong
That is however a *very* elastic word. If the workers were ecstatic with
their renumeration, similarly the purchaser of their labour then where on
earth is the 'wrong'?
Post by Lou Ravi
and, I believe, clearly illegal.
So is driving at 31 in a 30mph zone.
Post by Lou Ravi
As you've no doubt gathered over time, I have nothing against immigrants
per se (though I might have against immigration as a policy and the
possible social consequences of that) nor could I, have being an immigrant
myself to France, but I believe that, as an immigrant, you have to play
the game,
So if that game is immigrate to a foreign land, work and earn enough in 3
years to set oneself up for life in the country of one's birth?
Post by Lou Ravi
and emplpyers and society should also do so.
'should' indeed so many niceties 'should' be addressed
Post by Lou Ravi
Society, the official part, does. Some think too much so, an immigrant has
a great number of rights that have been won for them by the host people
over the centuries but that they themselves have not yet contributed to.
Very true. The Somalian 'Community' here apparently are very appreciative as
well they should be.
Post by Lou Ravi
However if they contribute in their turn, as and when they can, then they
shoud be welcomed and integrated.
Well the Albanians have done wonders for the quality of the fanny for sale.
Granted one has to ignore the occassional bruise.
Post by Lou Ravi
If they just want to reap the benefits without contributing then they
should be rightly condemned.
Hold on are you talking about politicians here?
Post by Lou Ravi
But they have to be in a position to contribute, have a home,
One man's palace is another's cardboard box. It's all relative surely.

Ownership of said cardboard box allows one to offer one's labour at a
seriously reduced rate from the greedy fucker who pines for a terraced house
complete with 52 inch wide flat screen TV.
Post by Lou Ravi
a proper job,
Being what exactly. If I offer an immigrant a fiver to do 'X' should he turn
me down on the grounds that it is not a 'proper job' or should he oblige in
the certain knowledge that a pair of plastic bag curtains are his for the
taking should he clean up my dogs' shit?
Post by Lou Ravi
however badly paid,
Ah!! I agree with that. It's all relative as I metion above.
Post by Lou Ravi
and that is not possible if they are exploited by dodgy sub-contractors
employing them for 2UKP an hour.
Rubbish!!!

What if the alternative is 30p and hour. For the 2 quid they can obtain and
furnish the box and still have change to send home after a nice meal from
the local bins.
Post by Lou Ravi
Nor, as you understand, is that detrimental to them but is so to the whole
of society,
That depends whether 'society' benefits from their labour.

My bit of society has a nice clean lawn and my dogs are no longer high
stepping around their previous deposits.
Post by Lou Ravi
for the greedy employers are not ready to pay for the best man but only
the cheapest.
'Greedy'??!!!

That is the whole point of being an employer; to have more, much much more
than the saps you have doing the graft.

What are you some sort of damn commie??!!
DVH
2009-03-27 21:27:43 UTC
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Post by Aramis Gunton
Post by Lou Ravi
However if they contribute in their turn, as and when they can, then
they shoud be welcomed and integrated.
Well the Albanians have done wonders for the quality of the fanny for
sale. Granted one has to ignore the occassional bruise.
<splutter!>

potd.
Iapetus
2009-03-27 15:13:52 UTC
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Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
WOW!! A report. Verified by...?


At the bottom :-

EMAIL ALERTS
Alert me when new articles are added on:

Migrant Workers
Recruitment and staffing.


Oh, it's one of *those* sites, I see.
Post by Maria
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research organisation
Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are "unofficially"
channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies to work in factory
work, particularly food processing and packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in the
UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel the row
over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This may
have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
Perhaps they think Poland *is* Eastern Europe and all the other A8
countries belong to Russia.

Seen better factual reports in the Sunday Sport.
Post by Maria
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't think
anyone believed me>
But you said they're all at it, not just one that's nowhere near where
you live.
Maria
2009-03-27 15:17:19 UTC
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Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
WOW!! A report. Verified by...?
At the bottom :-
EMAIL ALERTS
Migrant Workers
Recruitment and staffing.
Oh, it's one of *those* sites, I see.
Is there any source you would believe?
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research
organisation Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are
"unofficially" channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies
to work in factory work, particularly food processing and packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in
the UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel the
row over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This may
have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
Perhaps they think Poland *is* Eastern Europe and all the other A8
countries belong to Russia.
The majority of EU workers are Polish.
Post by Iapetus
Seen better factual reports in the Sunday Sport.
Perhaps I should post that as a source the next time.
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't
think anyone believed me>
But you said they're all at it, not just one that's nowhere near where
you live.
It's one where evidence has been found - another was found in Bristol
recently. It is going on all over the place - getting *evidence* to
prove it is another matter.
Iapetus
2009-03-27 15:27:28 UTC
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Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
WOW!! A report. Verified by...?
At the bottom :-
EMAIL ALERTS
Migrant Workers
Recruitment and staffing.
Oh, it's one of *those* sites, I see.
Is there any source you would believe?
Certainly not one that'll email you a story about 'migrant workers' when
it appears.
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research
organisation Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are
"unofficially" channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies
to work in factory work, particularly food processing and packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in
the UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel
the row over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This
may have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
Perhaps they think Poland *is* Eastern Europe and all the other A8
countries belong to Russia.
The majority of EU workers are Polish.
Far less than 90%
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Seen better factual reports in the Sunday Sport.
Perhaps I should post that as a source the next time.
Might as well :-)
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't
think anyone believed me>
But you said they're all at it, not just one that's nowhere near where
you live.
It's one where evidence has been found - another was found in Bristol
recently. It is going on all over the place - getting *evidence* to
prove it is another matter.
Easy. Get half a dozen British white people to register, another half
dozen European migrants, all with very similar backgrounds &
qualifications, let them sign up and see who gets a position.

May need to rinse and repeat a few times just to be sure.
DVH
2009-03-27 15:50:55 UTC
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Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
WOW!! A report. Verified by...?
At the bottom :-
EMAIL ALERTS
Migrant Workers
Recruitment and staffing.
Oh, it's one of *those* sites, I see.
Is there any source you would believe?
Certainly not one that'll email you a story about 'migrant workers' when
it appears.
Out of curiosity, what's wrong with a site offering an automated alert. Are
you displeased with the topic of "migrant workers" or with the idea of
sending an email?
Iapetus
2009-03-27 20:12:45 UTC
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Post by DVH
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
WOW!! A report. Verified by...?
At the bottom :-
EMAIL ALERTS
Migrant Workers
Recruitment and staffing.
Oh, it's one of *those* sites, I see.
Is there any source you would believe?
Certainly not one that'll email you a story about 'migrant workers' when
it appears.
Out of curiosity, what's wrong with a site offering an automated alert. Are
you displeased with the topic of "migrant workers" or with the idea of
sending an email?
Rather weird choices, recruitment and staffing and/or migrant workers.
Unless they want migrant workers to hear about recruitment and staffing
or vice versa.

Why doesn't that site have automated emails on their other topics? Like
equal opportunities, employment law, Health & Safety and training.

Why just those two?
DVH
2009-03-27 21:23:04 UTC
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Post by Iapetus
Post by DVH
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
WOW!! A report. Verified by...?
At the bottom :-
EMAIL ALERTS
Migrant Workers
Recruitment and staffing.
Oh, it's one of *those* sites, I see.
Is there any source you would believe?
Certainly not one that'll email you a story about 'migrant workers' when
it appears.
Out of curiosity, what's wrong with a site offering an automated alert.
Are you displeased with the topic of "migrant workers" or with the idea
of sending an email?
Rather weird choices, recruitment and staffing and/or migrant workers.
Unless they want migrant workers to hear about recruitment and staffing
or vice versa.
Why doesn't that site have automated emails on their other topics? Like
equal opportunities, employment law, Health & Safety and training.
Why just those two?
I'd imagine the content management system has a dropdown box asking you to
categorise each story before you publish. Then an include writes the link
automatically after the text of the story, and the stylesheet tells your
browser to put it at the bottom.

Well you did ask!

If you look at other stories, they offer emails about other topics, such as
the ones you mention above.

These sites are heavily geared to encouraging you back time and again, so
they use all sorts of widgets like that.
Maria
2009-03-27 17:12:56 UTC
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Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
WOW!! A report. Verified by...?
At the bottom :-
EMAIL ALERTS
Migrant Workers
Recruitment and staffing.
Oh, it's one of *those* sites, I see.
Is there any source you would believe?
Certainly not one that'll email you a story about 'migrant workers' when
it appears.
I take it you mean me? I'm not emailing you anything.
I only have anecdotal evidence I'm afraid - like my family being unable
to get any work for the past two years when they had no problem before.
My husband worked all his life in factories - the last job he did was 12
hour shifts - he is not afraid of hard work. Now he can't even get his
name on a job agency register, but never mind.
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research
organisation Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are
"unofficially" channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies
to work in factory work, particularly food processing and packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in
the UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel
the row over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This
may have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
Perhaps they think Poland *is* Eastern Europe and all the other A8
countries belong to Russia.
The majority of EU workers are Polish.
Far less than 90%
Two thirds

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/immigration/5055705/Immigrant-population-rose-by-21-in-just-four-years-official-figures-show.html
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Seen better factual reports in the Sunday Sport.
Perhaps I should post that as a source the next time.
Might as well :-)
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't
think anyone believed me>
But you said they're all at it, not just one that's nowhere near
where you live.
It's one where evidence has been found - another was found in Bristol
recently. It is going on all over the place - getting *evidence* to
prove it is another matter.
Easy. Get half a dozen British white people to register, another half
dozen European migrants, all with very similar backgrounds &
qualifications, let them sign up and see who gets a position.
May need to rinse and repeat a few times just to be sure.
When the A8 workers came, nearly all agency registrants were British -
now they are nearly all Polish.
Do you not get it? You can no longer even register in many (quite a lot
have closed). Here they advertise jobs in English and Polish (since 2/3
of the A8 workers are Polish they don't need to advertise in any other
language) - when you go to the agency they say, sorry we have no work
and we are not taking registrations. I have no idea what they say if you
are Polish since we are not Polish. If you can get in, you will see how
90% of the names on the job allocation boards are Polish. For some
agencies you now have to ring a bell to get through a locked door.
My son and my brother-in-law used to regularly do agency work - they
didn't get any for some time, and when they inquired as to why, they
were told that they had been removed from the books because they had
turned down work (which was cobblers).
The agency can discriminate as much as it likes - all it has to say if
someone asks is that there was not enough work. Nobody can prove it one
way or the other.
Let's see what happens when the Jobcentres have to deal with the
agencies when they are trying to get unemployed Brits back into work.
Iapetus
2009-03-27 20:04:44 UTC
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Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants
only' policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
WOW!! A report. Verified by...?
At the bottom :-
EMAIL ALERTS
Migrant Workers
Recruitment and staffing.
Oh, it's one of *those* sites, I see.
Is there any source you would believe?
Certainly not one that'll email you a story about 'migrant workers'
when it appears.
I take it you mean me? I'm not emailing you anything.
Is it your site?
Post by Maria
I only have anecdotal evidence I'm afraid - like my family being unable
to get any work for the past two years when they had no problem before.
Your family only had work through agencies? That says far more about
your family than the Polish migrants.
Post by Maria
My husband worked all his life in factories - the last job he did was 12
hour shifts - he is not afraid of hard work. Now he can't even get his
name on a job agency register, but never mind.
And it's *only* because the agencies are employing Polish eh? Nothing to
do with his age, health, expected wage or other criteria, just the Poles
and nothing else..?

When are you going to be like my dad was in the 60s, and start blaming
the blacks too?
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research
organisation Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are
"unofficially" channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment
agencies to work in factory work, particularly food processing and
packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in
the UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel
the row over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This
may have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
Perhaps they think Poland *is* Eastern Europe and all the other A8
countries belong to Russia.
The majority of EU workers are Polish.
Far less than 90%
Two thirds
So it's not "Polish Workers Only Please" as in the (misleading) header?
just 66% and the rest made up from others.
Post by Maria
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/immigration/5055705/Immigrant-population-rose-by-21-in-just-four-years-official-figures-show.html
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Seen better factual reports in the Sunday Sport.
Perhaps I should post that as a source the next time.
Might as well :-)
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't
think anyone believed me>
But you said they're all at it, not just one that's nowhere near
where you live.
It's one where evidence has been found - another was found in Bristol
recently. It is going on all over the place - getting *evidence* to
prove it is another matter.
Easy. Get half a dozen British white people to register, another half
dozen European migrants, all with very similar backgrounds &
qualifications, let them sign up and see who gets a position.
May need to rinse and repeat a few times just to be sure.
When the A8 workers came, nearly all agency registrants were British -
now they are nearly all Polish.
Mainly because a lot of Brits wouldn't get out of bed to earn, and be
treated like agency staff
Post by Maria
Do you not get it? You can no longer even register in many (quite a lot
have closed).
But they still find Polish people work eh?
Post by Maria
Here they advertise jobs in English and Polish (since 2/3
of the A8 workers are Polish they don't need to advertise in any other
language) - when you go to the agency they say, sorry we have no work
and we are not taking registrations.
If they did as I said, sent Brits and polish there, and they only said
that to the Brits, they'll be breaking all sorts of discrimination laws.
Post by Maria
I have no idea what they say if you
are Polish since we are not Polish.
But you have the audacity to accuse them of discrimination, even when
you have NO IDEA what is said.

Bigotry?
Post by Maria
If you can get in, you will see how
90% of the names on the job allocation boards are Polish. For some
agencies you now have to ring a bell to get through a locked door.
My son and my brother-in-law used to regularly do agency work - they
didn't get any for some time, and when they inquired as to why, they
were told that they had been removed from the books because they had
turned down work (which was cobblers).
The agency can discriminate as much as it likes - all it has to say if
someone asks is that there was not enough work. Nobody can prove it one
way or the other.
Let's see what happens when the Jobcentres have to deal with the
agencies when they are trying to get unemployed Brits back into work.
You remind me of my father, who was a Fireman, and how he and his
colleges whined when the first black Fireman started at the station in
the 60s, even after he saved many lives.


It's always their fault, isnt it?
Mark, Devon
2009-03-28 05:53:44 UTC
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Post by Maria
When the A8 workers came, nearly all agency registrants were British -
now they are nearly all Polish.
Yeh, right. Prove it. What agency has 51% or more of the people on
their books who are Polish?
Post by Maria
Do you not get it? You can no longer even register in many (quite a lot
have closed). Here they advertise jobs in English and Polish (since 2/3
of the A8 workers are Polish they don't need to advertise in any other
language) - when you go to the agency they say, sorry we have no work
and we are not taking registrations. I have no idea what they say if you
are Polish since we are not Polish. If you can get in, you will see how
90% of the names on the job allocation boards are Polish.
Not Estonian then? Latvian? Are you as expert on Polish as you are on
maths? What agencies put on display the names of their workers?
Doesn't this contravene data protection?

For some
Post by Maria
agencies you now have to ring a bell to get through a locked door.
My son and my brother-in-law used to regularly do agency work - they
didn't get any for some time, and when they inquired as to why, they
were told that they had been removed from the books because they had
turned down work (which was cobblers).
Must be anti them both then. A family thing?
Post by Maria
The agency can discriminate as much as it likes - all it has to say if
someone asks is that there was not enough work. Nobody can prove it one
way or the other.
Except for you, it seems.
Post by Maria
Let's see what happens when the Jobcentres have to deal with the
agencies when they are trying to get unemployed Brits back into work.
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Mark, Devon
2009-03-30 14:37:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by Maria
When the A8 workers came, nearly all agency registrants were British -
now they are nearly all Polish.
Yeh, right. Prove it. What agency has 51% or more of the people on
their books who are Polish?
Post by Maria
Do you not get it? You can no longer even register in many (quite a lot
have closed). Here they advertise jobs in English and Polish (since 2/3
of the A8 workers are Polish they don't need to advertise in any other
language) - when you go to the agency they say, sorry we have no work
and we are not taking registrations. I have no idea what they say if you
are Polish since we are not Polish. If you can get in, you will see how
90% of the names on the job allocation boards are Polish.
Not Estonian then? Latvian? Are you as expert on Polish as you are on
maths? What agencies put on display the names of their workers?
Doesn't this contravene data protection?
For some
Post by Maria
agencies you now have to ring a bell to get through a locked door.
My son and my brother-in-law used to regularly do agency work - they
didn't get any for some time, and when they inquired as to why, they
were told that they had been removed from the books because they had
turned down work (which was cobblers).
Must be anti them both then. A family thing?
Post by Maria
The agency can discriminate as much as it likes - all it has to say if
someone asks is that there was not enough work. Nobody can prove it one
way or the other.
Except for you, it seems.
Post by Maria
Let's see what happens when the Jobcentres have to deal with the
agencies when they are trying to get unemployed Brits back into work.
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Anyone else, then, like to answer my points?! Or are you all just as
stuck? :-)
aracari
2009-03-30 15:43:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by Mark, Devon
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Anyone else, then, like to answer my points?! Or are you all just as
stuck? :-)
Your comment doesn't need answering because the answer already
exists by taking one look at the chaotic state of Britain when
Thatcher came into office after a socialist govt, which required
very drastic action to sort out. High unemployment et al were
unfortunate consequences, but unavoidable.

The task facing Cameron will be almost as difficult, although I'd
guess that he will be able to apply less painful measures, perhaps
by slashing wasteful state spending on bizarre socialist projects
like ID Cards etc.
--
uh oh...black helicopter ... gotta run
Alang
2009-03-30 17:08:02 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:43:30 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by Mark, Devon
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Anyone else, then, like to answer my points?! Or are you all just as
stuck? :-)
Your comment doesn't need answering because the answer already
exists by taking one look at the chaotic state of Britain when
Thatcher came into office after a socialist govt, which required
very drastic action to sort out. High unemployment et al were
unfortunate consequences, but unavoidable.
Bovine excrement.
Post by aracari
The task facing Cameron will be almost as difficult, although I'd
guess that he will be able to apply less painful measures, perhaps
by slashing wasteful state spending on bizarre socialist projects
like ID Cards etc.
If you think the tories will repeal any of labours 3000+ slave making
laws you are naive in the extreme
aracari
2009-03-30 20:10:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alang
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:43:30 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by Mark, Devon
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Anyone else, then, like to answer my points?! Or are you all just as
stuck? :-)
Your comment doesn't need answering because the answer already
exists by taking one look at the chaotic state of Britain when
Thatcher came into office after a socialist govt, which required
very drastic action to sort out. High unemployment et al were
unfortunate consequences, but unavoidable.
Bovine excrement.
Do you deny that Britain was in chaos when Thatcher came to power
after Labour's gross misgovernment?
Post by Alang
Post by aracari
The task facing Cameron will be almost as difficult, although I'd
guess that he will be able to apply less painful measures, perhaps
by slashing wasteful state spending on bizarre socialist projects
like ID Cards etc.
If you think the tories will repeal any of labours 3000+ slave making
laws you are naive in the extreme
I have no expectations on this, although ID Cards cancellation is
a matter of Tory public record, but I suspect the NIR will stay.
--
uh oh...black helicopter ... gotta run
Alang
2009-03-30 20:45:06 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:10:07 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:43:30 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by Mark, Devon
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Anyone else, then, like to answer my points?! Or are you all just as
stuck? :-)
Your comment doesn't need answering because the answer already
exists by taking one look at the chaotic state of Britain when
Thatcher came into office after a socialist govt, which required
very drastic action to sort out. High unemployment et al were
unfortunate consequences, but unavoidable.
Bovine excrement.
Do you deny that Britain was in chaos when Thatcher came to power
after Labour's gross misgovernment?
Yes.
We had 30000 jobs in this area and a profitable manufacturing sector

After Thatcher we had wastelands and at least 4 million unemployed in
the country and most of a generation damaged.

We had N sea oil and gas. Instead of using it to invest for the future
the twats squandered it. The labour government had a balanced power
policy that included coal, oil, nuclear and renewables and stretched
into this century. The stupid tories cancelled the nuclear power
stations, closed the coal mines and squandered the gas.

For reasons of dogma they destroyed things that worked like the
integrated passenger transport systems. Killed town centres and
suffocated cities with cars.

Repealed the truck act and gave the banks a massive windfall then
introduced money laundering laws that gave them even more control over
our money .

1986 criminal justice act took away our *right* of peaceful public
assembly. The bitch made us slaves of the police

I was in my 30s then and it was the first time I ever saw a beggar on
the streets. What was worse it was a young lad of about 17.

I would cheerfully drag every single one of them in a tumbril to
Trafalgar square and guillotine them
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
Post by aracari
The task facing Cameron will be almost as difficult, although I'd
guess that he will be able to apply less painful measures, perhaps
by slashing wasteful state spending on bizarre socialist projects
like ID Cards etc.
If you think the tories will repeal any of labours 3000+ slave making
laws you are naive in the extreme
I have no expectations on this, although ID Cards cancellation is
a matter of Tory public record, but I suspect the NIR will stay.
So you are onlyswapping one set of cunts for another
aracari
2009-03-31 09:06:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alang
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:10:07 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:43:30 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by Mark, Devon
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Anyone else, then, like to answer my points?! Or are you all just as
stuck? :-)
Your comment doesn't need answering because the answer already
exists by taking one look at the chaotic state of Britain when
Thatcher came into office after a socialist govt, which required
very drastic action to sort out. High unemployment et al were
unfortunate consequences, but unavoidable.
Bovine excrement.
Do you deny that Britain was in chaos when Thatcher came to power
after Labour's gross misgovernment?
Yes.
We had 30000 jobs in this area and a profitable manufacturing sector
After Thatcher we had wastelands and at least 4 million unemployed in
the country and most of a generation damaged.
An unfortunate consequence of a necessary course of action.
Of course, those people could have taken more responsibility for
their own lives but chose to leave the future to govts.

I have virtually no sympathy for any industry or company that goes
belly up through long term mismanagement, failure to plan and
allows the unionised workforce to dictate.
Post by Alang
We had N sea oil and gas. Instead of using it to invest for the future
the twats squandered it. The labour government had a balanced power
policy that included coal, oil, nuclear and renewables and stretched
into this century. The stupid tories cancelled the nuclear power
stations, closed the coal mines and squandered the gas.
For reasons of dogma they destroyed things that worked like the
integrated passenger transport systems. Killed town centres and
suffocated cities with cars.
Repealed the truck act and gave the banks a massive windfall then
introduced money laundering laws that gave them even more control over
our money .
1986 criminal justice act took away our *right* of peaceful public
assembly. The bitch made us slaves of the police
I was in my 30s then and it was the first time I ever saw a beggar on
the streets. What was worse it was a young lad of about 17.
I would cheerfully drag every single one of them in a tumbril to
Trafalgar square and guillotine them
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
Post by aracari
The task facing Cameron will be almost as difficult, although I'd
guess that he will be able to apply less painful measures, perhaps
by slashing wasteful state spending on bizarre socialist projects
like ID Cards etc.
If you think the tories will repeal any of labours 3000+ slave making
laws you are naive in the extreme
I have no expectations on this, although ID Cards cancellation is
a matter of Tory public record, but I suspect the NIR will stay.
So you are onlyswapping one set of cunts for another
My position on political parties is quite well known and the
Tories simply represent the best alternative available to us at
the next GE, short of revolution and imposing a proper written
constitution.
--
uh oh...black helicopter ... gotta run
aracari
2009-03-31 13:53:46 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:06:54 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:10:07 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:43:30 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by Mark, Devon
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Anyone else, then, like to answer my points?! Or are you all just as
stuck? :-)
Your comment doesn't need answering because the answer already
exists by taking one look at the chaotic state of Britain when
Thatcher came into office after a socialist govt, which required
very drastic action to sort out. High unemployment et al were
unfortunate consequences, but unavoidable.
Bovine excrement.
Do you deny that Britain was in chaos when Thatcher came to power
after Labour's gross misgovernment?
Yes.
We had 30000 jobs in this area and a profitable manufacturing sector
After Thatcher we had wastelands and at least 4 million unemployed in
the country and most of a generation damaged.
An unfortunate consequence of a necessary course of action.
Of course, those people could have taken more responsibility for
their own lives but chose to leave the future to govts.
Who pays your wages?
Me.
Post by aracari
I have virtually no sympathy for any industry or company that goes
belly up through long term mismanagement, failure to plan and
allows the unionised workforce to dictate.
Who was that then?
Many companies suffer death due to one or more of these problems.
It can be boiled down to a simple statement:

"I am a businessman, currently making straw hats."
-vs-
"I am a straw hat manufacturer."


Which do you agree with?
What happens when the demand for straw hats falls off?


Did the mining industry in Britain not suffer a slow death due
to restrictive practices, poor management, narrow vision, failure
to compete etc? Did the unions not try to see it as a
taxpayer-funded job party?
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
We had N sea oil and gas. Instead of using it to invest for the future
the twats squandered it. The labour government had a balanced power
policy that included coal, oil, nuclear and renewables and stretched
into this century. The stupid tories cancelled the nuclear power
stations, closed the coal mines and squandered the gas.
For reasons of dogma they destroyed things that worked like the
integrated passenger transport systems. Killed town centres and
suffocated cities with cars.
Repealed the truck act and gave the banks a massive windfall then
introduced money laundering laws that gave them even more control over
our money .
1986 criminal justice act took away our *right* of peaceful public
assembly. The bitch made us slaves of the police
I was in my 30s then and it was the first time I ever saw a beggar on
the streets. What was worse it was a young lad of about 17.
I would cheerfully drag every single one of them in a tumbril to
Trafalgar square and guillotine them
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
Post by aracari
The task facing Cameron will be almost as difficult, although I'd
guess that he will be able to apply less painful measures, perhaps
by slashing wasteful state spending on bizarre socialist projects
like ID Cards etc.
If you think the tories will repeal any of labours 3000+ slave making
laws you are naive in the extreme
I have no expectations on this, although ID Cards cancellation is
a matter of Tory public record, but I suspect the NIR will stay.
So you are onlyswapping one set of cunts for another
My position on political parties is quite well known and the
Tories simply represent the best alternative available to us at
the next GE, short of revolution and imposing a proper written
constitution.
So you're just another socialist wanting to get his own snout in the
trough
That is 100% wrong and very unfair.

I have strongly advocated a proper written British constitution
and BoR for a long time. Under that, an elected govt should have
a very clear set of duties for which they will be personally
accountable and rewarded well.
--
uh oh...black helicopter ... gotta run
Alang
2009-03-31 13:02:00 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:06:54 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:10:07 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:43:30 +0100, aracari
Post by aracari
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by Mark, Devon
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Anyone else, then, like to answer my points?! Or are you all just as
stuck? :-)
Your comment doesn't need answering because the answer already
exists by taking one look at the chaotic state of Britain when
Thatcher came into office after a socialist govt, which required
very drastic action to sort out. High unemployment et al were
unfortunate consequences, but unavoidable.
Bovine excrement.
Do you deny that Britain was in chaos when Thatcher came to power
after Labour's gross misgovernment?
Yes.
We had 30000 jobs in this area and a profitable manufacturing sector
After Thatcher we had wastelands and at least 4 million unemployed in
the country and most of a generation damaged.
An unfortunate consequence of a necessary course of action.
Of course, those people could have taken more responsibility for
their own lives but chose to leave the future to govts.
Who pays your wages?
Post by aracari
I have virtually no sympathy for any industry or company that goes
belly up through long term mismanagement, failure to plan and
allows the unionised workforce to dictate.
Who was that then?
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
We had N sea oil and gas. Instead of using it to invest for the future
the twats squandered it. The labour government had a balanced power
policy that included coal, oil, nuclear and renewables and stretched
into this century. The stupid tories cancelled the nuclear power
stations, closed the coal mines and squandered the gas.
For reasons of dogma they destroyed things that worked like the
integrated passenger transport systems. Killed town centres and
suffocated cities with cars.
Repealed the truck act and gave the banks a massive windfall then
introduced money laundering laws that gave them even more control over
our money .
1986 criminal justice act took away our *right* of peaceful public
assembly. The bitch made us slaves of the police
I was in my 30s then and it was the first time I ever saw a beggar on
the streets. What was worse it was a young lad of about 17.
I would cheerfully drag every single one of them in a tumbril to
Trafalgar square and guillotine them
Post by aracari
Post by Alang
Post by aracari
The task facing Cameron will be almost as difficult, although I'd
guess that he will be able to apply less painful measures, perhaps
by slashing wasteful state spending on bizarre socialist projects
like ID Cards etc.
If you think the tories will repeal any of labours 3000+ slave making
laws you are naive in the extreme
I have no expectations on this, although ID Cards cancellation is
a matter of Tory public record, but I suspect the NIR will stay.
So you are onlyswapping one set of cunts for another
My position on political parties is quite well known and the
Tories simply represent the best alternative available to us at
the next GE, short of revolution and imposing a proper written
constitution.
So you're just another socialist wanting to get his own snout in the
trough

Mark, Devon
2009-03-31 14:28:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by aracari
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by Mark, Devon
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Anyone else, then, like to answer my points?! Or are you all just as
stuck? :-)
Your comment doesn't need answering because the answer already
exists by taking one look at the chaotic state of Britain when
Thatcher came into office after a socialist govt, which required
very drastic action to sort out. High unemployment et al were
unfortunate consequences, but unavoidable.
The task facing Cameron will be almost as difficult, although I'd
guess that he will be able to apply less painful measures, perhaps
by slashing wasteful state spending on bizarre socialist projects
like ID Cards etc.
LOL - any future government will come to recognise one day that ID
cards and a national identity register are the only way to proceed.
Anyone who wants to see the problems of illegal immigration, crime and
terrorism handled should recognise that such measures, well
controlled, maintained ,and utilised properly, are absolutely
necessary.
aracari
2009-03-31 15:26:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by aracari
Post by Mark, Devon
Post by Mark, Devon
Well, in your mate Maggie's day we had 3m+ unemployed Brits, along
with double-figure inflation, street-rioting etc. etc. So much social
discord.
Anyone else, then, like to answer my points?! Or are you all just as
stuck? :-)
Your comment doesn't need answering because the answer already
exists by taking one look at the chaotic state of Britain when
Thatcher came into office after a socialist govt, which required
very drastic action to sort out. High unemployment et al were
unfortunate consequences, but unavoidable.
The task facing Cameron will be almost as difficult, although I'd
guess that he will be able to apply less painful measures, perhaps
by slashing wasteful state spending on bizarre socialist projects
like ID Cards etc.
LOL - any future government will come to recognise one day that ID
cards and a national identity register are the only way to proceed.
With what purpose?
Post by Mark, Devon
Anyone who wants to see the problems of illegal immigration, crime and
terrorism handled should recognise that such measures, well
controlled, maintained ,and utilised properly, are absolutely
necessary.
You are very welcome to be the first person to set out a detailed
explanation of how ID Cards will help any of these things, which
cannot already be managed by existing procedures.
Perhaps you support a new law that requires muggers to show
their ID Card to the intended victim before assaulting them?

Please go ahead:
.
.
.
--
uh oh...black helicopter ... gotta run
Iapetus
2009-03-27 15:30:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
WOW!! A report. Verified by...?
At the bottom :-
EMAIL ALERTS
Migrant Workers
Recruitment and staffing.
Oh, it's one of *those* sites, I see.
Is there any source you would believe?
Certainly not one that'll email you a story about 'migrant workers' when
it appears.
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research
organisation Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are
"unofficially" channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies
to work in factory work, particularly food processing and packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in
the UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel
the row over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This
may have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
Perhaps they think Poland *is* Eastern Europe and all the other A8
countries belong to Russia.
The majority of EU workers are Polish.
What percentage? Far less than 90.
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Seen better factual reports in the Sunday Sport.
Perhaps I should post that as a source the next time.
Might as well :-)
Post by Maria
Post by Iapetus
Post by Maria
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't
think anyone believed me>
But you said they're all at it, not just one that's nowhere near where
you live.
It's one where evidence has been found - another was found in Bristol
recently. It is going on all over the place - getting *evidence* to
prove it is another matter.
Easy. Get half a dozen British white people to register, another half
dozen European migrants, all with very similar backgrounds &
qualifications, let them sign up and see who gets a position.

May need to rinse and repeat a few times, just to be sure.
Aramis Gunton
2009-03-27 19:29:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Maria
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agency-places-only-polish-workers-in.html
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
Next will come a report that sings ".. caught operating a 'hard workers'
only policy"

Hard working, industrious and prepared to do it all for next to nothing!!!

Fantasic!!!
Post by Maria
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't think
anyone believed me>
We are in desperate times. How else are us employers expected to pay our
monstrous mortgages, school and club fees and retain the 4 holidays
overseas??????

Why is it so difficult to understand??
M***@aol.com
2009-03-27 20:32:18 UTC
Permalink
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitm...
Recruitment agencies have been caught operating an 'immigrants only'
policy in one major city, a report out today has revealed.
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research organisation
Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are "unofficially"
channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies to work in factory
work, particularly food processing and packaging.
The report, which comes as the total number of unemployed people in the
UK is expected to top two million this week, is likely to fuel the row
over "British jobs for British workers".
The report said: "[In Hull] unless you were Eastern European,
recruitment agencies were unlikely to put you on their books. This may
have prevented the same vacancies being advertised to local people."
<posted because I said this kind of thing was going on but I don't think
anyone believed me>
There will be those who deny it all Maria.
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