Discussion:
Bring Back the Draft
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beatyerbrainsout
2005-07-18 16:31:37 UTC
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We've seen the results of the All-Volunteer Army when a real,
protracted struggle ensues. We simply don't have enough boots on the
ground, as Hillary Clinton (herself) has been saying of late. The Iraq
invasion and occupation should be, by now, in much better shape than it
is, as the young lefties love to point out. Our troops are simply
stretched too thin to maintain security in a country of that size.
With the spectre of an expanded conflict into Syria and Iran, it's time
we faced some facts. We need to bring back the draft so that we can
field a million-man army. Generation X has gotten away with absolutely
no responsibility to anyone but their own selfish interests. Plainly,
they are morally bankrupt and politically naive. Most are shamelessly
gutless, save for those among them who actually joined up to defend
their loved ones and their homeland rather than to pull down an easy
paycheck. It's long past time they got a real world education -- in
the fast lane. Let go of your baby, mommy. He is needed on the front
lines of freedom.
It's time we brought back the draft. Let's put a few hundred
thousand of these yellow whiners into uniform and watch 'em dodge
bullets for a change rather than other drivers as they roar down the
road blathering into their cell phones, using up valuable resources and
taking up space. Maybe the thought of getting their heads chopped off
by these Islamist nutjobs will straighten out their thinking just a
tad. Can't wait to see it. Write your Congressman, write the
President, write your local paper. Let's bring back the draft and put
some spine into these young so-called men.
Patriot
2005-07-18 16:45:39 UTC
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Post by beatyerbrainsout
We've seen the results of the All-Volunteer Army when a real,
protracted struggle ensues. We simply don't have enough boots on the
ground, as Hillary Clinton (herself) has been saying of late. The Iraq
invasion and occupation should be, by now, in much better shape than it
is, as the young lefties love to point out. Our troops are simply
stretched too thin to maintain security in a country of that size.
With the spectre of an expanded conflict into Syria and Iran, it's time
we faced some facts. We need to bring back the draft so that we can
field a million-man army. Generation X has gotten away with absolutely
no responsibility to anyone but their own selfish interests. Plainly,
they are morally bankrupt and politically naive. Most are shamelessly
gutless, save for those among them who actually joined up to defend
their loved ones and their homeland rather than to pull down an easy
paycheck. It's long past time they got a real world education -- in
the fast lane. Let go of your baby, mommy. He is needed on the front
lines of freedom.
It's time we brought back the draft. Let's put a few hundred
thousand of these yellow whiners into uniform and watch 'em dodge
bullets for a change rather than other drivers as they roar down the
road blathering into their cell phones, using up valuable resources and
taking up space. Maybe the thought of getting their heads chopped off
by these Islamist nutjobs will straighten out their thinking just a
tad. Can't wait to see it. Write your Congressman, write the
President, write your local paper. Let's bring back the draft and put
some spine into these young so-called men.
wouldn't need it if you He-Men who support the Irak occupation would march
down to the recruiting office.
beatyerbrainsout
2005-07-18 18:07:40 UTC
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so-called Patriot scribbled:


wouldn't need it if you He-Men who support the Irak occupation would
march
down to the recruiting office.


--It's spelled Iraq, moron. My generation faced the draft. It's time
yours did, too.
Paul Revere
2005-07-18 17:52:56 UTC
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Post by beatyerbrainsout
We've seen the results of the All-Volunteer Army when a real,
protracted struggle ensues. We simply don't have enough boots on the
ground, as Hillary Clinton (herself) has been saying of late. The Iraq
invasion and occupation should be, by now, in much better shape than it
is, as the young lefties love to point out. Our troops are simply
stretched too thin to maintain security in a country of that size.
With the spectre of an expanded conflict into Syria and Iran, it's time
we faced some facts. We need to bring back the draft so that we can
field a million-man army. Generation X has gotten away with absolutely
no responsibility to anyone but their own selfish interests. Plainly,
they are morally bankrupt and politically naive. Most are shamelessly
gutless, save for those among them who actually joined up to defend
their loved ones and their homeland rather than to pull down an easy
paycheck. It's long past time they got a real world education -- in
the fast lane. Let go of your baby, mommy. He is needed on the front
lines of freedom.
It's time we brought back the draft. Let's put a few hundred
thousand of these yellow whiners into uniform and watch 'em dodge
bullets for a change rather than other drivers as they roar down the
road blathering into their cell phones, using up valuable resources and
taking up space. Maybe the thought of getting their heads chopped off
by these Islamist nutjobs will straighten out their thinking just a
tad. Can't wait to see it. Write your Congressman, write the
President, write your local paper. Let's bring back the draft and put
some spine into these young so-called men.
Can we assume YOU have already volunteered for military service in support
the war?

Or are you just another spineless yellow whiner?
beatyerbrainsout
2005-07-18 18:16:45 UTC
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We've seen the results of the All-Volunteer Army when a real,
protracted struggle ensues. We simply don't have enough boots on the
ground, as Hillary Clinton (herself) has been saying of late. The Iraq
invasion and occupation should be, by now, in much better shape than it
is, as the young lefties love to point out. Our troops are simply
stretched too thin to maintain security in a country of that size.
With the spectre of an expanded conflict into Syria and Iran, it's time
we faced some facts. We need to bring back the draft so that we can
field a million-man army. Generation X has gotten away with absolutely
no responsibility to anyone but their own selfish interests. Plainly,
they are morally bankrupt and politically naive. Most are shamelessly
gutless, save for those among them who actually joined up to defend
their loved ones and their homeland rather than to pull down an easy
paycheck. It's long past time they got a real world education -- in
the fast lane. Let go of your baby, mommy. He is needed on the front
lines of freedom.
It's time we brought back the draft. Let's put a few hundred
thousand of these yellow whiners into uniform and watch 'em dodge
bullets for a change rather than other drivers as they roar down the
road blathering into their cell phones, using up valuable resources and
taking up space. Maybe the thought of getting their heads chopped off
by these Islamist nutjobs will straighten out their thinking just a
tad. Can't wait to see it. Write your Congressman, write the
President, write your local paper. Let's bring back the draft and put
some spine into these young so-called men.
Can we assume YOU have already volunteered for military service in
support
the war?

--You can assume anything you want, sonny. Just get your lily-white
ass on down to the draft board when they call you up. Best get your
affairs in order. I predict it is coming soon to a theater near you.



Or are you just another spineless yellow whiner?



--Oh, I could take you out in about half a second, ya pathetic cell
phone jockey. Face up to your responsibilities as a young man. The
country needs you, whether or not you are prepared to get your ass shot
off. We did our bit. Now it's your turn.
Patriot
2005-07-18 19:21:04 UTC
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We've seen the results of the All-Volunteer Army when a real,
protracted struggle ensues. We simply don't have enough boots on the
ground, as Hillary Clinton (herself) has been saying of late. The Iraq
invasion and occupation should be, by now, in much better shape than it
is, as the young lefties love to point out. Our troops are simply
stretched too thin to maintain security in a country of that size.
With the spectre of an expanded conflict into Syria and Iran, it's time
we faced some facts. We need to bring back the draft so that we can
field a million-man army. Generation X has gotten away with absolutely
no responsibility to anyone but their own selfish interests. Plainly,
they are morally bankrupt and politically naive. Most are shamelessly
gutless, save for those among them who actually joined up to defend
their loved ones and their homeland rather than to pull down an easy
paycheck. It's long past time they got a real world education -- in
the fast lane. Let go of your baby, mommy. He is needed on the front
lines of freedom.
It's time we brought back the draft. Let's put a few hundred
thousand of these yellow whiners into uniform and watch 'em dodge
bullets for a change rather than other drivers as they roar down the
road blathering into their cell phones, using up valuable resources and
taking up space. Maybe the thought of getting their heads chopped off
by these Islamist nutjobs will straighten out their thinking just a
tad. Can't wait to see it. Write your Congressman, write the
President, write your local paper. Let's bring back the draft and put
some spine into these young so-called men.
Can we assume YOU have already volunteered for military service in support
t>he war?
Post by beatyerbrainsout
--You can assume anything you want, sonny. Just get your lily-white
ass on down to the draft board when they call you up. Best get your
affairs in order. I predict it is coming soon to a theater near you.
Or are you just another spineless yellow whiner?
What a complete pussy you are! mewing like a bitch on usenet rather than
getting your ass down to the recruiting station and walking the walk. They
will take you to age 52 for the Nurse Corps and Medical Corps. If you are
older than that, you must have children or grand children you can send to
Irak (although you write like someone who has trouble getting it going)



--Oh, I could take you out in about half a second, ya pathetic cell
phone jockey. Face up to your responsibilities as a young man. The
country needs you, whether or not you are prepared to get your ass shot
off. We did our bit. Now it's your turn.
whizbang
2005-07-18 19:45:46 UTC
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Post by beatyerbrainsout
We've seen the results of the All-Volunteer Army when a real,
protracted struggle ensues. We simply don't have enough boots on the
ground, as Hillary Clinton (herself) has been saying of late. The Iraq
invasion and occupation should be, by now, in much better shape than it
is, as the young lefties love to point out. Our troops are simply
stretched too thin to maintain security in a country of that size.
With the spectre of an expanded conflict into Syria and Iran, it's time
we faced some facts. We need to bring back the draft so that we can
field a million-man army. Generation X has gotten away with absolutely
no responsibility to anyone but their own selfish interests. Plainly,
they are morally bankrupt and politically naive. Most are shamelessly
gutless, save for those among them who actually joined up to defend
their loved ones and their homeland rather than to pull down an easy
paycheck. It's long past time they got a real world education -- in
the fast lane. Let go of your baby, mommy. He is needed on the front
lines of freedom.
It's time we brought back the draft. Let's put a few hundred
thousand of these yellow whiners into uniform and watch 'em dodge
bullets for a change rather than other drivers as they roar down the
road blathering into their cell phones, using up valuable resources and
taking up space. Maybe the thought of getting their heads chopped off
by these Islamist nutjobs will straighten out their thinking just a
tad. Can't wait to see it. Write your Congressman, write the
President, write your local paper. Let's bring back the draft and put
some spine into these young so-called men.
Can we assume YOU have already volunteered for military service in support
t>he war?
Post by beatyerbrainsout
--You can assume anything you want, sonny. Just get your lily-white
ass on down to the draft board when they call you up. Best get your
affairs in order. I predict it is coming soon to a theater near you.
Or are you just another spineless yellow whiner?
Oh, I could take you out in about half a second, ya pathetic cell
phone jockey. Face up to your responsibilities as a young man. The
country needs you, whether or not you are prepared to get your ass shot

off. We did our bit. Now it's your turn



What a complete pussy you are!

--Look who's talking. The gutless, yellow-bellied sapsucker who simply
can't stand the thought of a return to the draft. We all faced it when
the jungles of VIETNAM were beckoning. Why can't you? You too good to
face the draft?


mewing like a bitch on usenet

--The bitch is you, ya stupid little cocksucker, and it's "mewling,"
not "mewing," ya dumb sonofabitch.


rather than
getting your ass down to the recruiting station and walking the walk.

--I've been fighting the bad guys all my life, punk. I have a choice
of weapons with which to take you out if ever you give me an excuse.
Come walking the walk on down my way and the only thing that will be
walking away is the fading memory of your stink.

They
will take you to age 52 for the Nurse Corps and Medical Corps.

--You ought to consider that nurse corps gig. Sounds right up yer
alley, kiddo. We already faced the big D as youngsters. Your turn,
you yellow-bellied bitch and moan specialist. Tear yourself away from
mommy's apron strings and be a man, bigmouth. Let's see how
"patriotic" you really are, "Paul Revere." Bwahahahahahaha!!!


If you are
older than that, you must have children or grand children you can send
to
Irak (although you write like someone who has trouble getting it going)


--The only one here with trouble "getting it going" is YOU, kid.
You're obviously very afraid of a return to the draft, which is why we
need one. Slap that yellow-bellied coward, "Patriot," into uniform.
Make a man of him or he'll die tryin.' Yup, that's the thing to do,
alright.
Ad C
2005-07-20 10:20:55 UTC
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In article <0vGdnYNHv5-9nEHfRVn-***@rogers.com>, ***@usaaok.org
says...
Post by beatyerbrainsout
--Oh, I could take you out in about half a second, ya pathetic cell
phone jockey. Face up to your responsibilities as a young man. The
country needs you, whether or not you are prepared to get your ass shot
off. We did our bit. Now it's your turn.
Tell me something, why the hell should people go and fight? this war is
not about fighting for your country this is about Bush wanting to finish
what his father could not, it is also about Amercia wanting oil.

Your men are not dying for your country, they are dying because Bush is
a brainless twat.
whizbang
2005-07-22 04:04:16 UTC
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Ad C
Post by beatyerbrainsout
--Oh, I could take you out in about half a second, ya pathetic cell
phone jockey. Face up to your responsibilities as a young man. The
country needs you, whether or not you are prepared to get your ass shot
off. We did our bit. Now it's your turn.
Tell me something, why the hell should people go and fight? this war is

not about fighting for your country this is about Bush wanting to
finish
what his father could not, it is also about Amercia wanting oil.


--Bush is SUPPOSED to finish what a previous president left undone.
It's his job as president, sonny. America NEEDS oil (and lots of it)
whether or not you want it. I guess you just ride a bicycle and don't
use any electricity, right, cityboy?

Your men are not dying for your country, they are dying because Bush is

a brainless twat.

--You're a jerk. This was posted primarily to a conservative NG. If
you don't like it, go to a liberal group. Nothing forces you to read
this thread or respond to it. In other words, buzz off. We are no
longer interested in hearing liberal hogwash.
whizbang
2005-07-18 19:29:17 UTC
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Post by beatyerbrainsout
We've seen the results of the All-Volunteer Army when a real,
protracted struggle ensues. We simply don't have enough boots on the
ground, as Hillary Clinton (herself) has been saying of late. The Iraq
invasion and occupation should be, by now, in much better shape than it
is, as the young lefties love to point out. Our troops are simply
stretched too thin to maintain security in a country of that size.
With the spectre of an expanded conflict into Syria and Iran, it's time
we faced some facts. We need to bring back the draft so that we can
field a million-man army. Generation X has gotten away with absolutely
no responsibility to anyone but their own selfish interests. Plainly,
they are morally bankrupt and politically naive. Most are shamelessly
gutless, save for those among them who actually joined up to defend
their loved ones and their homeland rather than to pull down an easy
paycheck. It's long past time they got a real world education -- in
the fast lane. Let go of your baby, mommy. He is needed on the front
lines of freedom.
It's time we brought back the draft. Let's put a few hundred
thousand of these yellow whiners into uniform and watch 'em dodge
bullets for a change rather than other drivers as they roar down the
road blathering into their cell phones, using up valuable resources and
taking up space. Maybe the thought of getting their heads chopped off
by these Islamist nutjobs will straighten out their thinking just a
tad. Can't wait to see it. Write your Congressman, write the
President, write your local paper. Let's bring back the draft and put
some spine into these young so-called men.
--I concur. The Left continually point out that we are not managing
the Iraq occupation as well as we should. The answer is not to get
out, but to redouble our efforts and significantly increase our
strength there. The only way to do that quickly and effectively is to
reinstate conscription. Several other societal benefits will a
accompany this move, including those you mentioned.
w***@idirect.com
2005-07-18 21:29:16 UTC
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I support conscription - but not for the reasons you cite. It will
ramp up the pressure to end the war as every GOP chickenhawk will
suddenly look at this war differently.

But better still to pull up stakes on this whole Middle East adventure.
Do you seriously think the American government can lay the foundation
for an enlightened arab civilization? Who ever thought up this crazy
idea? Belongs alongside the dumbest ideas of all time, right next to
the efforts to 400 years ago to Christianize the Congo.

And don't just take my word for it. Read this:

Study cites seeds of terror in Iraq
War radicalized most, probes find
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | July 17, 2005

WASHINGTON -- New investigations by the Saudi Arabian government and an
Israeli think tank -- both of which painstakingly analyzed the
backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to
fight the United States -- have found that the vast majority of these
foreign fighters are not former terrorists and became radicalized by
the war itself.

The studies, which together constitute the most detailed picture
available of foreign fighters, cast serious doubt on President Bush's
claim that those responsible for some of the worst violence are
terrorists who seized on the opportunity to make Iraq the ''central
front" in a battle against the United States.

''The terrorists know that the outcome [in Iraq] will leave them
emboldened or defeated," Bush said in his nationally televised address
on the war at Fort Bragg in North Carolina last month. ''So they are
waging a campaign of murder and destruction." The US military is
fighting the terrorists in Iraq, he repeated this month, ''so we do not
have to face them here at home."

However, interrogations of nearly 300 Saudis captured while trying to
sneak into Iraq and case studies of more than three dozen others who
blew themselves up in suicide attacks show that most were heeding the
calls from clerics and activists to drive infidels out of Arab land,
according to a study by Saudi investigator Nawaf Obaid, a US-trained
analyst who was commissioned by the Saudi government and given access
to Saudi officials and intelligence.

A separate Israeli analysis of 154 foreign fighters compiled by a
leading terrorism researcher found that despite the presence of some
senior Al Qaeda operatives who are organizing the volunteers, ''the
vast majority of [non-Iraqi] Arabs killed in Iraq have never taken part
in any terrorist activity prior to their arrival in Iraq."

''Only a few were involved in past Islamic insurgencies in Afghanistan,
Bosnia, or Chechnya," the Israeli study says. Out of the 154 fighters
analyzed, only a handful had past associations with terrorism,
including six who had fathers who fought the Soviet Union in
Afghanistan, said the report, compiled by the Global Research in
International Affairs Center in Herzliya, Israel.

American intelligence officials, speaking on the condition of
anonymity, and terrorism specialists paint a similar portrait of the
suicide bombers wreaking havoc in Iraq: Prior to the Iraq war, they
were not Islamic extremists seeking to attack the United States, as Al
Qaeda did four years ago, but are part of a new generation of
terrorists responding to calls to defend their fellow Muslims from
''crusaders" and ''infidels."

''The president is right that Iraq is a main front in the war on
terrorism, but this is a front we created," said Peter Bergen, a
terrorism specialist at the nonpartisan New America Foundation, a
Washington think tank.

Foreign militants make up only a small percentage of the insurgents
fighting in Iraq, as little as 10 percent, according to US military and
intelligence officials. The top general in Iraq said late last month
that about 600 foreign fighters have been captured or killed by
coalition forces since the Jan. 30 Iraqi elections. The wider
insurgency, numbering in the tens of thousands, is believed to consist
of former Iraqi soldiers, Saddam Hussein loyalists, and members of
Iraq's Sunni Muslim minority.

But the impact of the foreign fighters has been enormous. They are
blamed for the almost daily suicide attacks against US and Iraqi forces
and have killed thousands of civilians, mostly members of Iraq's Shia
Muslim majority. Their exploits have been responsible for much of the
headline-grabbing carnage recently, contributing to the slide in
American public support for the war.

There have been nearly 500 car bombings since the US-led coalition
handed over sovereignty to an interim Iraqi government one year ago, US
military statistics indicate. In the last two months, car bombs and
suicide attacks have killed nearly 1,400 people, according to the
Associated Press.

Bush has cited foreign fighters as a reason for continued US military
operations in Iraq. His argument, repeated often, is that ''the world's
terrorists" have chosen to make their stand in Iraq.

''Some may disagree with my decision to remove Saddam Hussein from
power, but all of us can agree that the world's terrorists have now
made Iraq a central front in the war on terror," Bush said in a radio
address last month.

Foreign fighters were found to be like Saud Bin Muhammad Bin Saud
Al-Fuhaid, according to Obaid's research, to be published by the Center
for Strategic and International Studies in Washington this summer.
Described as in his early 20s, Fuhaid blew himself up March 24, three
days after he entered Iraq from Syria, according to newspaper accounts
and interviews with his family.

Obaid found little evidence Fuhaid was an extremist before the 2003
invasion of Iraq. Like many of the young men from Saudi Arabia who make
up the majority of the foreign fighters, the student at Imam University
in western Riyadh was not initially a radical jihadist, according to
information gleaned from Saudi newspaper accounts and intelligence
operations. In fact, he apparently almost changed his mind.

Fuhaid is believed to have traveled through Syria to fight in Iraq, but
once he arrived told his family he would be coming home instead,
according to a death notice published in Saudi newspapers and posted on
the Internet. ''However, during that time he met some friends of his
who were going to Iraq and told him they were going to declare Jihad
with their brothers in Iraq," the celebratory announcement said. ''It
was at that moment that our martyr changed his mind and told them that
he will go back to Iraq with them and called his parents to tell him he
won't be going home."

Obaid said in an interview from London that his Saudi study found that
''the largest group is young kids who saw the images [of the war] on TV
and are reading the stuff on the Internet. Or they see the name of a
cousin on the list or a guy who belongs to their tribe, and they feel a
responsibility to go."

Other fighters, who are coming to Iraq from across the Middle East and
North Africa, are older, in their late 20s or 30s, and have families,
according to the two investigations. ''The vast majority of them had
nothing to do with Al Qaeda before Sept. 11th and have nothing to do
with Al Qaeda today," said Reuven Paz, author of the Israeli study. ''I
am not sure the American public is really aware of the enormous
influence of the war in Iraq, not just on Islamists but the entire Arab
world."

Case studies of foreign fighters indicated they considered the Iraq war
an attack on the Muslim religion and Arab culture, Paz said.

For example, while the unprovoked attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were
largely condemned by clerics as violations of Muslim law, many
religious leaders in Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations have
promulgated fatwas, or religious edicts, saying that waging jihad in
Iraq is justified by the Koran because it is defensive in nature. Last
October, 26 clerics in Saudi Arabia said it was the duty of every
Muslim to go and fight in Iraq.

''These are people who did not get training in Pakistan or Chechnya,
[and they] ended up going to Iraq because they considered defending
Iraq a must for every Muslim to go and fight," said Rita Katz, director
of the Search for International Terrorist Entities Institute in
Washington and an Iraq native.

One indication that a heightened degree of Arab solidarity is a leading
factor is that they are almost entirely Arabs and not Muslims from
other countries, such as those who volunteered to fight in Afghanistan,
Bosnia, and Chechnya. Another motivation, the studies and analysts
contend, is the centuries-old struggle between the Sunni and Shia
branches of Islam. All the foreign fighters are Sunnis, according to
the analyses, and many of their targets are Iraq's majority Shia
Muslims, who have gained political power in Baghdad for the first time
in hundreds of years.

Ali Alyami, director of the Center for Democracy and Human Rights in
Saudi Arabia, said he believes the deep-seated Sunni-Shia rift among
the world's 1.2 billion Muslims -- about 1 billion of them Sunni --
best explains the foreign-fighter phenomenon. He noted in an interview
that US policy makers do not seem to grasp the historic conflicts
within Islam that are playing out in the war in Iraq.

''To say we must fight them in Baghdad so we don't have to fight them
in Boston implies there is a finite number of people, and if you pen
them up in Iraq you can kill them all," said Bergen. ''The truth is we
increased the pool by what we did in Iraq."

Intelligence officials worry that some of ''Iraq alumni" will use the
relationships they build on the battlefields of Iraq and return to
their home countries as hardened Islamic terrorists.
The CIA's National Intelligence Council concluded in a report earlier
this year that ''Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could
provide recruitment, training grounds, technical skills, and language
proficiency for a new class of terrorists who are 'professionalized'
and for whom political violence becomes an end in itself."
traveler
2005-07-18 21:39:54 UTC
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wynn said:

I support conscription - but not for the reasons you cite. It will
ramp up the pressure to end the war as every GOP chickenhawk will
suddenly look at this war differently.


--Need for a draft is not a matter of political leaning, and certainly
not just a matter of political rhetoric on usenet. The country needs
it now in order to defend itself adequately. Your representation of
those who don't agree with you as "GOP chickenhawks" makes your
submitted article not worth my time. Post it under your own thread. A
quick peek, however, indicates something about radical clerics having a
great deal of influence over young Arabs. This could be handled, as
was posted last week, by arresting radical clerics and banning radical
muslim sects in every civilized country.
w***@idirect.com
2005-07-18 22:06:17 UTC
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"This could be handled, as was posted last week, by arresting radical
clerics and banning radical muslim sects in every civilized country."

Fine - I have no problem with this approach so long as it is
accompanied by a complete withdrawl of US forces from the Middle East,
not 10 years from now, but NOW. We must remove the collective target
sign from our backs (and if you think they fly planes into buildings
and blow up trains because they "hate our freedoms" then YOU are not
worth MY TIME.

Trident

ps: by GOP chickenhawks, I am referring to that brand of politician
which is eager to wrap themselves in a flag, support invading a
sovereign nation out of some twisted "revenge for 9/11," turn a blind
eye to cherry picked and questionable intelligence which is used to
construct a "threat," and otherwise have no second thoughts about
starting a war(s) provided someone else's sons and daughters do all the
fighting. If you are a politician that fits this description then I
spit on your shoe, otherwise everyone is entitled to their opinion.
whizbang
2005-07-22 03:56:58 UTC
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***@idirect.com replied:


This could be handled, as was posted last week, by arresting radical
clerics and banning radical muslim sects in every civilized country



Fine - I have no problem with this approach so long as it is
accompanied by a complete withdrawl of US forces from the Middle East,
not 10 years from now, but NOW.

--That's not going to happen and is absurd. We have vital committments
in the Mideast which are essential to our survival as a modern power,
let alone as the preeminent world power. If you feel uncomfortable
with the realities of being one of the powerful nations, then you
should seriously consider emigrating to a weaker one, where appeasement
and knuckling under are part of the national psyche.


We must remove the collective target
sign from our backs (and if you think they fly planes into buildings
and blow up trains because they "hate our freedoms" then YOU are not
worth MY TIME.


--I'm not concerned what you think is "worth your time." You are on MY
thread. If you don't like the slant of my opinions, don't post here.
If you don't like the conservative slant of conservative newsgroups,
there are 100 liberal ones for every conservative one. Go there. As
for your assertion about hating our freedoms, of course that is a
simplification. The truth is they fully intend to take over the world
with all their oil money, using their religion as a "moral
justification" for killing anyone who opposes them. The Mideast can no
longer contain the muslim hordes. We oppose their expansionist policy,
just as we opposed the Japanese prior to war in the Pacific in WWII.
They aren't having it. You can bend over and grab your ankles or you
can stand up like a man and say no.


Trident


ps: by GOP chickenhawks, I am referring to that brand of politician
which is eager to wrap themselves in a flag, support invading a
sovereign nation out of some twisted "revenge for 9/11," turn a blind
eye to cherry picked and questionable intelligence which is used to
construct a "threat," and otherwise have no second thoughts about
starting a war(s) provided someone else's sons and daughters do all the

fighting. If you are a politician that fits this description then I
spit on your shoe, otherwise everyone is entitled to their opinion.

--Fuck off, buddy. This thread was posted to a conservative
newsgroup. If you don't like it, go away. I'm not interested in your
leftist opinion or your juvenile remarks about spitting on anyone.
Live a little longer before you have the gall to judge your elders.
You don't know shit yet.
spaceyfi
2005-07-22 03:37:04 UTC
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I am one of those Generation X people you are speaking of. I briefly
served in the Navel Reserves but was injured and had to leave. If I had
not been hurt I would have been still serving my country in that
capacity. My husband served in the Air Force during Vietnam, so you
can say he did his time. I am not one of those selfish politically
naive people that you make us out to be. I know enough about politics
to know that Iraq was one huge colossal mistake based on lies but that
is a topic for another time.
While I support some type of required service to our country. I don't
think a draft is necessary. If the recruiters concentrated on those who
are genuinely interested in serving their country rather than lie then
they might have more and better recruits. I don't have kids but if I
did and he or she wanted to join the military I would reluctantly
support their choice but I would let them go.
Watch what you are saying about Generation X'rs because we are not all
the same. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Susan
whizbang
2005-07-22 04:21:18 UTC
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spaceyfi

I am one of those Generation X people you are speaking of. I briefly
served in the Navel Reserves but was injured and had to leave. If I had

not been hurt I would have been still serving my country in that
capacity. My husband served in the Air Force during Vietnam, so you
can say he did his time. I am not one of those selfish politically
naive people that you make us out to be. I know enough about politics
to know that Iraq was one huge colossal mistake based on lies

--You don't know near as much about politics as you think you do
because you haven't been alive long enough to see things clearly. You
should, however, understand full well what giving aid and comfort to
the enemy means. There are American men (and women) fighting in Iraq
and Afghanistan. They are being shot at by these mfers while we
discuss this in relative safety. The psychological war is VERY
important in this conflict. Every time the Left starts squawking over
here, the "insurgents" go bananas over there, assured that our resolve
is weakening. They must be smashed every time they think they might
win. There is no two ways about it.


but that
is a topic for another time.
While I support some type of required service to our country. I don't
think a draft is necessary. If the recruiters concentrated on those who

are genuinely interested in serving their country rather than lie then
they might have more and better recruits. I don't have kids but if I
did and he or she wanted to join the military I would reluctantly
support their choice but I would let them go.
Watch what you are saying about Generation X'rs because we are not all
the same. Wake up and smell the coffee.


Susan

--I would neither encourage nor discourage some young person from
joining. If they go into it knowing precisely what they are doing, the
risks vs. the benefits, it is their choice. We need a draft because
the all volunteer Army doesn't work well enough in a protracted, bloody
struggle. As soon as potential recruits see the odds against coming
back going down, they don't sign up. With a draft, we could field a
much larger army. Not only would this discourage the insurgency, but it
would take care of any need to expand the conflict into Syria or Iran.
When they see we mean real business and are not just involved in a
holding action, they will be much more inclined to give up. I've been
smelling the coffe for longer than you've been alive, dear. Grow up
and stop sounding like a leftist youngster, then you will be treated
like someone worth listening to, regardless of your stint in the
military.
Mack the Knife
2005-07-27 11:00:04 UTC
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beatyerbrainsout wrote:


We've seen the results of the All-Volunteer Army when a real,
protracted struggle ensues. We simply don't have enough boots on the
ground, as Hillary Clinton (herself) has been saying of late. The Iraq

invasion and occupation should be, by now, in much better shape than it

is, as the young lefties love to point out. Our troops are simply
stretched too thin to maintain security in a country of that size.
With the spectre of an expanded conflict into Syria and Iran, it's time

we faced some facts. We need to bring back the draft so that we can
field a million-man army. Generation X has gotten away with absolutely

no responsibility to anyone but their own selfish interests. Plainly,
they are morally bankrupt and politically naive. Most are shamelessly
gutless, save for those among them who actually joined up to defend
their loved ones and their homeland rather than to pull down an easy
paycheck. It's long past time they got a real world education -- in
the fast lane. Let go of your baby, mommy. He is needed on the front
lines of freedom.
It's time we brought back the draft. Let's put a few hundred
thousand of these yellow whiners into uniform and watch 'em dodge
bullets for a change rather than other drivers as they roar down the
road blathering into their cell phones, using up valuable resources and

taking up space. Maybe the thought of getting their heads chopped off
by these Islamist nutjobs will straighten out their thinking just a
tad. Can't wait to see it. Write your Congressman, write the
President, write your local paper. Let's bring back the draft and put
some spine into these young so-called men.


--Amen

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