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Giant Airbus A380 aircraft, a testimony to "old Europe"
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Diabolik
2005-01-20 12:56:08 UTC
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At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.

It was reminiscent of opening ceremonies for Olympic Games, complete with
dancers resembling angels, floating through blue smoke clouds; towering over
them a tall, god-like figure, exhorting the audience to "remind yourself
that everything is possible".

And then there were the four dancers representing the four European nations
that are backing the A380 project, each of them displaying the names of some
of their greatest creative minds: Einstein, Goethe, Goya, Gaudi, Victor
Hugo, Shakespeare and the Beatles.

But this was more than just brilliance by association: "It is a truly
magnificent human endeavour," declared France's President Jacques Chirac.

With an 80-metre wing span, the A380 is the largest civilian aircraft ever
built. "Now we see this final product and we are amazed," said UK Prime
Minister Tony Blair. "It is simply stunning."

For Airbus chief executive Noel Forgeard it was a moment to behold, and not
to be modest: "Under the name Airbus, Europe has written one of its most
beautiful pages of its history."
High-level corporate battles - fought both internally among Airbus
executives vying for position and externally against competitor Boeing -
would have to wait for another day.

And yet, the trade spat between the European Union and the United States did
rear its ugly head.
The US insists the repayable launch aid stumped up by Airbus's four
backers - France, Germany, the UK and Spain - is an illegal subsidy. The
Europeans complain about Washington's payments to Boeing.
For German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Tuesday's ceremony was too good an
opportunity to miss for a slight dig at the US.

"There is the tradition of good old Europe that has made this possible," he
said defiantly, sounding almost triumphant as he deliberately redefined the
phrase previously used by US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

And Mr Schroeder went further, making it clear that Europe would continue
backing Airbus, within the framework of international trade rules.

"We have done that in the past, we are doing it now, and we will do so in
the future," he said.
But the endorsements by the four heads of government and state were not the
only reasons why Mr Forgeard was happy.

He was also joined by the heads of the 14 airlines that have placed firm
orders for the A380.
Flanked by some of the world's most powerful air industry chief executives,
there was no end to the mutual backslapping.

"We shall make a family photo," Mr Forgeard declared as he lined up for the
unique picture. "Something like this will never happen again."

Each and everyone of the executives was keen to make his mark on this
extraordinary day.
Predictably, Virgin Atlantic chairman Sir Richard Branson, the only one of
them not wearing a tie, outdid them all with the most outlandish
performance.

Passengers on Virgin's A380s, he declared, would be able to go to the gym or
use the aeroplane's beauty parlour. There would be large bars, a casino and
even a few double-beds, he said, quipping about there being "two ways of
getting lucky" on a Virgin A380 flight.

Lufthansa's chief executive Wolfgang Mayrhuber was more sober in his praise
for the aircraft, insisting its arrival would be good news for Lufthansa's
customers, its shareholders and the environment.
Jolly green giant. Indeed, the A380 aircraft was widely hailed as an
environmentally friendly aircraft.

Airbus says the aeroplane burns 12% less fuel than its competitor, the
Boeing 747, largely due to its wing design and its use of lightweight
composite materials.

Again the politicians were prepared to stick their neck to back the Airbus
promise. "The A380 is the only commercial plane designed from the outset to
be environmentally friendly", said Mr Blair. "It consumes less than three
litres of fuel per passengers over 100km, a rate comparable to a modern
diesel car."

The A380 is also supposed to be a quiet aircraft, which will meet ever
tougher noise pollution requirements.

"London Heathrow has the most stringent noise regulation in the world," said
Singapore Airlines chief executive Chew Choon Seng. "This aircraft is able
to meet those requirements."
With all the hype, though, it is easy to forget that the politicians and
chief executives are talking about a prototype aircraft.

The A380 is a plane that has never left the runway. Its first flight is due
to take place this spring, and it should go into commercial service in 2006.

The new Airbus is a big plane; but big questions about its future have not
yet been answered.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4184987.stm
Altair Voyager
2005-01-20 13:02:13 UTC
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Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
It was reminiscent of opening ceremonies for Olympic Games, complete with
dancers resembling angels, floating through blue smoke clouds; towering over
them a tall, god-like figure, exhorting the audience to "remind yourself
that everything is possible".
And then there were the four dancers representing the four European nations
that are backing the A380 project, each of them displaying the names of some
of their greatest creative minds: Einstein, Goethe, Goya, Gaudi, Victor
Hugo, Shakespeare and the Beatles.
But this was more than just brilliance by association: "It is a truly
magnificent human endeavour," declared France's President Jacques Chirac.
With an 80-metre wing span, the A380 is the largest civilian aircraft ever
built. "Now we see this final product and we are amazed," said UK Prime
Minister Tony Blair. "It is simply stunning."
For Airbus chief executive Noel Forgeard it was a moment to behold, and not
to be modest: "Under the name Airbus, Europe has written one of its most
beautiful pages of its history."
High-level corporate battles - fought both internally among Airbus
executives vying for position and externally against competitor Boeing -
would have to wait for another day.
And yet, the trade spat between the European Union and the United States did
rear its ugly head.
The US insists the repayable launch aid stumped up by Airbus's four
backers - France, Germany, the UK and Spain - is an illegal subsidy. The
Europeans complain about Washington's payments to Boeing.
For German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Tuesday's ceremony was too good an
opportunity to miss for a slight dig at the US.
"There is the tradition of good old Europe that has made this possible," he
said defiantly, sounding almost triumphant as he deliberately redefined the
phrase previously used by US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
And Mr Schroeder went further, making it clear that Europe would continue
backing Airbus, within the framework of international trade rules.
"We have done that in the past, we are doing it now, and we will do so in
the future," he said.
But the endorsements by the four heads of government and state were not the
only reasons why Mr Forgeard was happy.
He was also joined by the heads of the 14 airlines that have placed firm
orders for the A380.
Flanked by some of the world's most powerful air industry chief executives,
there was no end to the mutual backslapping.
"We shall make a family photo," Mr Forgeard declared as he lined up for the
unique picture. "Something like this will never happen again."
Each and everyone of the executives was keen to make his mark on this
extraordinary day.
Predictably, Virgin Atlantic chairman Sir Richard Branson, the only one of
them not wearing a tie, outdid them all with the most outlandish
performance.
Passengers on Virgin's A380s, he declared, would be able to go to the gym or
use the aeroplane's beauty parlour. There would be large bars, a casino and
even a few double-beds, he said, quipping about there being "two ways of
getting lucky" on a Virgin A380 flight.
Lufthansa's chief executive Wolfgang Mayrhuber was more sober in his praise
for the aircraft, insisting its arrival would be good news for Lufthansa's
customers, its shareholders and the environment.
Jolly green giant. Indeed, the A380 aircraft was widely hailed as an
environmentally friendly aircraft.
Airbus says the aeroplane burns 12% less fuel than its competitor, the
Boeing 747, largely due to its wing design and its use of lightweight
composite materials.
Again the politicians were prepared to stick their neck to back the Airbus
promise. "The A380 is the only commercial plane designed from the outset to
be environmentally friendly", said Mr Blair. "It consumes less than three
litres of fuel per passengers over 100km, a rate comparable to a modern
diesel car."
The A380 is also supposed to be a quiet aircraft, which will meet ever
tougher noise pollution requirements.
"London Heathrow has the most stringent noise regulation in the world," said
Singapore Airlines chief executive Chew Choon Seng. "This aircraft is able
to meet those requirements."
With all the hype, though, it is easy to forget that the politicians and
chief executives are talking about a prototype aircraft.
The A380 is a plane that has never left the runway. Its first flight is due
to take place this spring, and it should go into commercial service in 2006.
The new Airbus is a big plane; but big questions about its future have not
yet been answered.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4184987.stm
How can it even fly? It wasn't made in the USA.
John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
2005-01-20 14:11:32 UTC
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Post by Altair Voyager
How can it even fly? It wasn't made in the USA.
===============

50 % of it was.Even Euros can't make an airplane fly without superior US
technology.


Airbus North America Chairman Allan McArtor says about 50 percent of the
components for the A380 will be US made.

He says the company spends more than five billion dollars in the US annually
on various aerospace projects.

Airbus plans to launch the A380 for commercial service in 2006, and is
designed to carry more passengers than the industry's current largest
commercial plane, the Boeing 747. (AP)
http://www.ndtv.com/money/showbusinessstory.asp?slug=Alcoa%2C+Airbus+to+buil
d+superjumbo&id=19256




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Ryd
2005-01-20 14:17:36 UTC
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Airbus North America Chairman Allan McArtor says about 50 percent of
the
components for the A380 will be US made.

He says the company spends more than five billion dollars in the US
annually
on various aerospace projects.
==========================================

If John Kerry had won, it would have been 70-75% and $10 billion...
.
Ryd
John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
2005-01-20 14:32:44 UTC
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Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Airbus North America Chairman Allan McArtor says about 50 percent of the
components for the A380 will be US made.
He says the company spends more than five billion dollars in the US annually
on various aerospace projects.
==========================================
If John Kerry had won, it would have been 70-75% and $10 billion...
.
Ryd
=======================
hey stupid dumbfuck inbred . The A 380 is already built and being shown .
The plane has been in production for over 4 years . How ould Kerry being
president starting today changed anythig from 4 years ago?





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David Segall
2005-01-20 15:24:33 UTC
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Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by Altair Voyager
How can it even fly? It wasn't made in the USA.
===============
50 % of it was.Even Euros can't make an airplane fly without superior US
technology.
Maybe, but Airbus North America is a wholly owned subsidiary of the
European company and nuts, bolts and fasteners don't sound very high
tech even if there are one million of them per A380.
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Airbus North America Chairman Allan McArtor says about 50 percent of the
components for the A380 will be US made.
He says the company spends more than five billion dollars in the US annually
on various aerospace projects.
Perhaps the United States is providing skilled labour at wage rates
much lower than the Europeans are prepared to accept. The Chinese
could claim that well over 50% of components from any major U.S.
computer company are made in China and could not be produced without
"superior Chinese technology".
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Airbus plans to launch the A380 for commercial service in 2006, and is
designed to carry more passengers than the industry's current largest
commercial plane, the Boeing 747. (AP)
http://www.ndtv.com/money/showbusinessstory.asp?slug=Alcoa%2C+Airbus+to+buil
d+superjumbo&id=19256
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Mitch Green
2005-01-20 15:30:51 UTC
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Post by David Segall
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by Altair Voyager
How can it even fly? It wasn't made in the USA.
===============
50 % of it was.Even Euros can't make an airplane fly without superior US
technology.
Maybe, but Airbus North America is a wholly owned subsidiary of the
European company and nuts, bolts and fasteners don't sound very high
tech even if there are one million of them per A380.
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Airbus North America Chairman Allan McArtor says about 50 percent of the
components for the A380 will be US made.
He says the company spends more than five billion dollars in the US annually
on various aerospace projects.
Perhaps the United States is providing skilled labour at wage rates
much lower than the Europeans are prepared to accept. The Chinese
could claim that well over 50% of components from any major U.S.
computer company are made in China and could not be produced without
"superior Chinese technology".
US sweatshops.
John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
2005-01-20 15:34:31 UTC
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Post by Mitch Green
Post by David Segall
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by Altair Voyager
How can it even fly? It wasn't made in the USA.
===============
50 % of it was.Even Euros can't make an airplane fly without superior US
technology.
Maybe, but Airbus North America is a wholly owned subsidiary of the
European company and nuts, bolts and fasteners don't sound very high
tech even if there are one million of them per A380.
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Airbus North America Chairman Allan McArtor says about 50 percent of the
components for the A380 will be US made.
He says the company spends more than five billion dollars in the US annually
on various aerospace projects.
Perhaps the United States is providing skilled labour at wage rates
much lower than the Europeans are prepared to accept. The Chinese
could claim that well over 50% of components from any major U.S.
computer company are made in China and could not be produced without
"superior Chinese technology".
US sweatshops.
=======================
No , Airbus just is tired of paying outrageous wages to lazy ass Euros
that want to only work 35 hours a week, have 1 month paid vacation each year
along with many more sick days and holidays and of course, tea and crumpet
breaks every 20 minutes.




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Hans Müller
2005-01-20 17:40:59 UTC
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Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
No , Airbus just is tired of paying outrageous wages to lazy ass Euros
that want to only work 35 hours a week, have 1 month paid vacation each year
along with many more sick days and holidays and of course, tea and crumpet
breaks every 20 minutes.
yeahyeah, another proof for american ignorance and arrogance. You don't even
know where to find Europe on a map
John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
2005-01-20 17:45:22 UTC
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Post by Hans Müller
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
No , Airbus just is tired of paying outrageous wages to lazy ass Euros
that want to only work 35 hours a week, have 1 month paid vacation each year
along with many more sick days and holidays and of course, tea and crumpet
breaks every 20 minutes.
yeahyeah, another proof for american ignorance and arrogance. You don't even
know where to find Europe on a map
=========================
I notice that you could not refute the frogs getting August off as paid
vacation each year , while leaving theri elderly to die by the thousands
from the heat because vacation time is more important than working in the
nursing homes.
Socialism at it's finest .




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Mitch Green
2005-01-20 17:46:30 UTC
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Post by Hans Müller
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
No , Airbus just is tired of paying outrageous wages to lazy ass Euros
that want to only work 35 hours a week, have 1 month paid vacation each year
along with many more sick days and holidays and of course, tea and crumpet
breaks every 20 minutes.
yeahyeah, another proof for american ignorance and arrogance. You don't even
know where to find Europe on a map
If they could charge money for exporting stupidity, the Americans wouldn't have
a trade deficit.
Harold Adrian Russell Philby
2005-01-20 18:49:02 UTC
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Post by Hans Müller
yeahyeah, another proof for american ignorance and arrogance. You don't even
know where to find Europe on a map
I can.

...And none of it affects the reality that Airbus, by any plain
reading of any 1st-world nations' laws, is a criminal enterprise
sanctioned only by corrupt governments and the ignorant unquestioning
segments of their populations.
Mitch Green
2005-01-20 19:21:19 UTC
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Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
Post by Hans Müller
yeahyeah, another proof for american ignorance and arrogance. You don't even
know where to find Europe on a map
I can.
...And none of it affects the reality that Airbus, by any plain
reading of any 1st-world nations' laws, is a criminal enterprise
sanctioned only by corrupt governments and the ignorant unquestioning
segments of their populations.
That's crap. Especially coming from an American.
Harold Adrian Russell Philby
2005-01-20 19:30:34 UTC
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:21:19 -0500, "Mitch Green"
Post by Mitch Green
Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
Post by Hans Müller
yeahyeah, another proof for american ignorance and arrogance. You don't even
know where to find Europe on a map
I can.
...And none of it affects the reality that Airbus, by any plain
reading of any 1st-world nations' laws, is a criminal enterprise
sanctioned only by corrupt governments and the ignorant unquestioning
segments of their populations.
That's crap. Especially coming from an American.
"Ouch"... You sure told me, lady.
Mitch Green
2005-01-20 20:32:12 UTC
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Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:21:19 -0500, "Mitch Green"
Post by Mitch Green
Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
Post by Hans Müller
yeahyeah, another proof for american ignorance and arrogance. You don't even
know where to find Europe on a map
I can.
...And none of it affects the reality that Airbus, by any plain
reading of any 1st-world nations' laws, is a criminal enterprise
sanctioned only by corrupt governments and the ignorant unquestioning
segments of their populations.
That's crap. Especially coming from an American.
"Ouch"... You sure told me, lady.
Stop subsidizing your industries, then you have a right to complain. Hypocrite.
John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
2005-01-20 21:02:09 UTC
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Post by Mitch Green
Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:21:19 -0500, "Mitch Green"
Post by Mitch Green
Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
Post by Hans Müller
yeahyeah, another proof for american ignorance and arrogance. You
don't
Post by Mitch Green
even
Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
Post by Mitch Green
Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
Post by Hans Müller
know where to find Europe on a map
I can.
...And none of it affects the reality that Airbus, by any plain
reading of any 1st-world nations' laws, is a criminal enterprise
sanctioned only by corrupt governments and the ignorant unquestioning
segments of their populations.
That's crap. Especially coming from an American.
"Ouch"... You sure told me, lady.
Stop subsidizing your industries, then you have a right to complain. Hypocrite.
====================
Please tell us oh great one, what companies teh US subsidizes that makes
unfair competition against Euro companies on the worldwide market?




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AprIsovertheworld
2005-01-21 01:24:05 UTC
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Post by Mitch Green
Post by Mitch Green
Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:21:19 -0500, "Mitch Green"
Post by Mitch Green
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:40:59 +0100, "Hans Müller"
Post by Hans Müller
yeahyeah, another proof for american ignorance and arrogance. You
don't
Post by Mitch Green
even
Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
Post by Mitch Green
Post by Hans Müller
know where to find Europe on a map
I can.
...And none of it affects the reality that Airbus, by any plain
reading of any 1st-world nations' laws, is a criminal enterprise
sanctioned only by corrupt governments and the ignorant
unquestioning
Post by Mitch Green
Post by Mitch Green
Post by Harold Adrian Russell Philby
Post by Mitch Green
segments of their populations.
That's crap. Especially coming from an American.
"Ouch"... You sure told me, lady.
Stop subsidizing your industries, then you have a right to complain.
Hypocrite.
Post by Mitch Green
====================
Please tell us oh great one, what companies teh US subsidizes that makes
unfair competition against Euro companies on the worldwide market?
WIntel
John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
2005-01-21 01:51:12 UTC
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Post by AprIsovertheworld
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by Ryd
====================
Please tell us oh great one, what companies teh US subsidizes that makes
unfair competition against Euro companies on the worldwide market?
WIntel
====================
Sorry , no Govt Subsidies for Intel. AMD does get them though , from
Germany.

The AMD official said his own firm's Athlon processors are returning among
the highest profit margins ever received. "And if Intel thought it was going
to hurt AMD financially by steep Pentium 4 price cuts, that isn't going to
happen. AMD has $1.6 billion in cash on hand. We have $800 million in debt
(from loans to build and equip the new Fab 30 in Dresden, Germany) but we
don't have to start paying that back until 2003 and even then we have German
government subsidies to help on interest payments."

http://tinyurl.com/4ltel





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JimK
2005-01-21 02:00:00 UTC
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:51:12 -0500, "John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by AprIsovertheworld
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by Ryd
====================
Please tell us oh great one, what companies teh US subsidizes that makes
unfair competition against Euro companies on the worldwide market?
WIntel
====================
Sorry , no Govt Subsidies for Intel. AMD does get them though , from
Germany.
Bribing Investors
Israel's leaders tout Intel's decision to build a large semiconductor
plant in the country as a sign of the country's attractiveness to
foreign investors, and Israel's status as an advanced country. But
the price of this investment was a $600 million subsidy, extracted
directly from Israeli taxpayers.
http://israeleconomy.org/nbn/nbn112.htm
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
The AMD official said his own firm's Athlon processors are returning among
the highest profit margins ever received. "And if Intel thought it was going
to hurt AMD financially by steep Pentium 4 price cuts, that isn't going to
happen. AMD has $1.6 billion in cash on hand. We have $800 million in debt
(from loans to build and equip the new Fab 30 in Dresden, Germany) but we
don't have to start paying that back until 2003 and even then we have German
government subsidies to help on interest payments."
http://tinyurl.com/4ltel
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John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
2005-01-21 02:16:56 UTC
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Post by JimK
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:51:12 -0500, "John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by AprIsovertheworld
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by Ryd
====================
Please tell us oh great one, what companies teh US subsidizes that makes
unfair competition against Euro companies on the worldwide market?
WIntel
====================
Sorry , no Govt Subsidies for Intel. AMD does get them though , from
Germany.
Bribing Investors
Israel's leaders tout Intel's decision to build a large semiconductor
plant in the country as a sign of the country's attractiveness to
foreign investors, and Israel's status as an advanced country. But
the price of this investment was a $600 million subsidy, extracted
directly from Israeli taxpayers.
http://israeleconomy.org/nbn/nbn112.htm
=========================

Thanks once again for proving that no US Taxpayer is paying a US company
subsidies to undercut foreign competition on the world market.
Other countries offering tax breaks to lure business and jobs to their
country is a totally different issue.
Try Business 101 sometime and learn something.






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JimK
2005-01-21 02:02:49 UTC
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:51:12 -0500, "John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by AprIsovertheworld
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by Ryd
====================
Please tell us oh great one, what companies teh US subsidizes that makes
unfair competition against Euro companies on the worldwide market?
WIntel
====================
Sorry , no Govt Subsidies for Intel. AMD does get them though , from
Germany.
Bribing Investors

Israel's leaders tout Intel's decision to build a large semiconductor
plant in the country as a sign of the country's attractiveness to
foreign investors, and Israel's status as an advanced country. But
the price of this investment was a $600 million subsidy, extracted
directly from Israeli taxpayers.
http://israeleconomy.org/nbn/nbn112.htm


New Mexico sweetened the deal further by giving Intel a 30-year
exemption from property taxes for the plant, which Intel says will
create 3,000 jobs. The exemption formed the bulk of a 30-year, $566
million incentive package from New Mexico that works out to nearly
$190,000 per job. (New Mexico's unemployment rate stands at 6.3%,
compared with 7.6% for California.) Oregon used property-tax
abatements to help land two more Intel facilities--a $735 million
plant expansion in Aloha and a new $2.2 billion microchip factory in
Hillsboro.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/analysis/time/9604/08/greenwald.shtml
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
The AMD official said his own firm's Athlon processors are returning among
the highest profit margins ever received. "And if Intel thought it was going
to hurt AMD financially by steep Pentium 4 price cuts, that isn't going to
happen. AMD has $1.6 billion in cash on hand. We have $800 million in debt
(from loans to build and equip the new Fab 30 in Dresden, Germany) but we
don't have to start paying that back until 2003 and even then we have German
government subsidies to help on interest payments."
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2005-01-21 02:20:36 UTC
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Post by JimK
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:51:12 -0500, "John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by AprIsovertheworld
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Post by Ryd
====================
Please tell us oh great one, what companies teh US subsidizes that makes
unfair competition against Euro companies on the worldwide market?
WIntel
====================
Sorry , no Govt Subsidies for Intel. AMD does get them though , from
Germany.
Bribing Investors
Israel's leaders tout Intel's decision to build a large semiconductor
plant in the country as a sign of the country's attractiveness to
foreign investors, and Israel's status as an advanced country. But
the price of this investment was a $600 million subsidy, extracted
directly from Israeli taxpayers.
http://israeleconomy.org/nbn/nbn112.htm
New Mexico sweetened the deal further by giving Intel a 30-year
exemption from property taxes for the plant, which Intel says will
create 3,000 jobs. The exemption formed the bulk of a 30-year, $566
million incentive package from New Mexico that works out to nearly
$190,000 per job. (New Mexico's unemployment rate stands at 6.3%,
compared with 7.6% for California.) Oregon used property-tax
abatements to help land two more Intel facilities--a $735 million
plant expansion in Aloha and a new $2.2 billion microchip factory in
Hillsboro.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/analysis/time/9604/08/greenwald.shtml
==========================

Still nothing comparable. US Taxp[ayers are not paying Intel tax $$ . New
Mexico is simply not charging Intel Taxes as an incentive to create jobs,
which in turn will create income taxes from those jobs, real estate taxes
from properties bought by those workers, sales taxes in goods and services
bought by those workers in that community, and the ripple effect of even
more taxes paid by the car dealers and salespeople from the cars sold to
those new job workers ate Intel.
YOu fail again to show how one single TAx $ from a taxpayers pocket is being
given to Intel to allow them to sell their chips at below market value.





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2005-01-20 14:15:54 UTC
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Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Boeing has said repeatedly that they could have built a much larger
plane than the 747 (once you build a 747, you can build a bigger one).
They didn't, because they didn't see a market for it.
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2005-01-20 17:16:04 UTC
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Boeing has said repeatedly that they could have built a much
larger plane than the 747 (once you build a 747, you can build a
bigger one). They didn't, because they didn't see a market for it.
They are probably kicking themselves now!
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Guy
2005-01-20 19:52:45 UTC
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Post by Barney
Post by Steven L.
Boeing has said repeatedly that they could have built a much
larger plane than the 747 (once you build a 747, you can build a
bigger one). They didn't, because they didn't see a market for it.
They are probably kicking themselves now!
I recall seeing a documentary on the design of the A380 in which it was said
that Boeing considered a double-decker design for extra capacity but
rejected it because of the need to provide upper deck escape slides which
didn't interfere with the lower deck ones and also didn't end on the wing
surface. Can anyone verify this and, perhaps, comment on how Airbus overcame
this problem?
Post by Barney
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TheMan
2005-01-21 02:36:19 UTC
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Post by Guy
Post by Barney
Post by Steven L.
Boeing has said repeatedly that they could have built a much
larger plane than the 747 (once you build a 747, you can build a
bigger one). They didn't, because they didn't see a market for it.
They are probably kicking themselves now!
I recall seeing a documentary on the design of the A380 in which it was said
that Boeing considered a double-decker design for extra capacity but
rejected it because of the need to provide upper deck escape slides which
didn't interfere with the lower deck ones and also didn't end on the wing
surface. Can anyone verify this and, perhaps, comment on how Airbus overcame
this problem?
Easy, they put shitloads of doors on it, and they are all offset compared to
the lower doors.

-TheMan-
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2005-01-20 14:41:46 UTC
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Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Old Europe were the inventors of:
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle

When it comes to fuel powered vehicles Old Europe are leaps and bounds ahead
of the competition. Look at the fantastic cars released by Germany and sold
the world over, meanwhile the Yanks are building front wheel drive shitboxes
no one wants.

The Airbus A380 is a direct attack on the U.S aircraft industry by the EU,
with a substantial amount of funding coming from those governments.

-TheMan-
John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
2005-01-20 15:01:06 UTC
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Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle
==========================
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the Rocket
engine that made space exploration possible, The Airplane was a US
invention too. Lindberghs Atlantic croosing showed Yanks had more balls
than Eurotrash ever will .While the US was inventing these leap of
technology feats, Eurotrash were still trying to figure out what a
toothbrush was for.




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Steven L.
2005-01-20 15:50:51 UTC
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Post by Diabolik
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of
people
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle
==========================
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the Rocket
engine that made space exploration possible, The Airplane was a US
invention too. Lindberghs Atlantic croosing showed Yanks had more balls
than Eurotrash ever will .While the US was inventing these leap of
technology feats, Eurotrash were still trying to figure out what a
toothbrush was for.
Actually, the best European scientists, like Wernher Von Braun, often
ended up emigrating to America because they felt they had more
opportunity here.

One of the most recent arrivals was Tim Berners-Lee, who at CERN in
Geneva invented HTML, the language of the World Wide Web. He's here in
America now.
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2005-01-20 19:41:28 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
Post by Diabolik
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of
people
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle
==========================
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the Rocket
engine that made space exploration possible, The Airplane was a US
invention too. Lindberghs Atlantic croosing showed Yanks had more balls
than Eurotrash ever will .While the US was inventing these leap of
technology feats, Eurotrash were still trying to figure out what a
toothbrush was for.
Actually, the best European scientists, like Wernher Von Braun, often
ended up emigrating to America because they felt they had more opportunity
here.
For Von Braun, the main alternative at the end of the war, if he wanted to
continue developing rockets (which he most certainly did want), was the
USSR.
Post by Steven L.
One of the most recent arrivals was Tim Berners-Lee, who at CERN in Geneva
invented HTML, the language of the World Wide Web. He's here in America
now.
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Dermot Donovan
2005-01-20 15:52:59 UTC
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Post by Diabolik
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of
people
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle
==========================
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the Rocket
engine that made space exploration possible, The Airplane was a US
invention too. Lindberghs Atlantic croosing showed Yanks had more balls
than Eurotrash ever will .While the US was inventing these leap of
technology feats, Eurotrash were still trying to figure out what a
toothbrush was for.
"God resists the proud but He gives grace to the humble". (James 4:6).

"Theses six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A
proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that
devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false
witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren." ( Prov.
6:16-19).


http://www.sin-of-pride.com/


"The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogance and the evil
way and the froward mouth I hate...." (Proverbs 8:13)

"Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though
they join forces, none will go unpunished." (Proverbs 16:5).

"... All of you be submissive to one another., and be clothed with humility,
for 'God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.' Therefore humble
yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due
time...." (1 Peter 5:5-6)

"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall"
(Proverbs 16:18).

All 'ya proud yankees stop bragging and get some virtue of humility into
your souls.

If you're Christians, you should know that all the glory belongs to God and
He will decide who of you lived a life of virtue and who just kept bragging
shamelessly, committing the number one Cardinal Sin of Pride.

If you're an atheist, then you should understand that both your proud nose
now so high up in the air, and your glorious America, together with the
entire Planet Earth, and the entire Solar System are destined to become
nothing more than a cosmic dust, a pile of garbage. Does it make sense to be
proud of a future garbage, dust? Get "Even the Sun Will Die" by Eckhart
Tolle, or simply read The Book and stop your bragging.

DD
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Proverbs (ch. XVI, v. 18)
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Barney
2005-01-20 17:20:45 UTC
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"John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry" <My Botox Wore Off @
http://tinyurl.com/4k2la .com> had
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the
Rocket engine that made space exploration possible,
Wasn't rocket power a Nazi invention. At the end of WWII the Americans
smuggled the Nazi scientists into their own country.
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Robert Sveinson
2005-01-20 18:42:27 UTC
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Post by Barney
http://tinyurl.com/4k2la .com> had
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the
Rocket engine that made space exploration possible,
Wasn't rocket power a Nazi invention. At the end of WWII the Americans
smuggled the Nazi scientists into their own country.
No! No! Barney!

Werner von Braun could trace his ancestry back
to the Pilgrim fathers!!
Post by Barney
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Cisco Kid
2005-01-20 18:45:02 UTC
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Post by Barney
http://tinyurl.com/4k2la .com> had
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the
Rocket engine that made space exploration possible,
Wasn't rocket power a Nazi invention. At the end of WWII the Americans
smuggled the Nazi scientists into their own country.
The ancient Chinese had rockets. The liquid fueled rocket motor was
the creation of Robert Goddard, an American. The Germans however,
utilized the first ballistic missile. The Europeans also quickly
embraced the Wright Brothers' aeroplane invention, leaving the USA
far, far behind in that technology when WWI broke out.
Barney
2005-01-20 19:32:42 UTC
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Post by Cisco Kid
The ancient Chinese had rockets. The liquid fueled rocket motor
was the creation of Robert Goddard, an American. The Germans
however, utilized the first ballistic missile. The Europeans also
quickly embraced the Wright Brothers' aeroplane invention, leaving
the USA far, far behind in that technology when WWI broke out.
Benz developed an operable vehicle but a French gentleman made the
first mobile. The Net wouldn't have been possible without Dr. Graham
Bells invention and dental surgery before pliers were invented. I
guess we can go back to the invention of the wheel or the first use
of fire as a tool. I do believe "arrogance" is either an American
invention, or developed to perfection by them.
--
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Mitch Green
2005-01-20 22:09:40 UTC
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Post by Barney
Post by Cisco Kid
The ancient Chinese had rockets. The liquid fueled rocket motor
was the creation of Robert Goddard, an American. The Germans
however, utilized the first ballistic missile. The Europeans also
quickly embraced the Wright Brothers' aeroplane invention, leaving
the USA far, far behind in that technology when WWI broke out.
Benz developed an operable vehicle but a French gentleman made the
first mobile. The Net wouldn't have been possible without Dr. Graham
Bells invention and dental surgery before pliers were invented. I
guess we can go back to the invention of the wheel or the first use
of fire as a tool. I do believe "arrogance" is either an American
invention, or developed to perfection by them.
--
Barney
Americans invented the hamburger, you can tell by the way they waddle.
Guy
2005-01-20 19:48:57 UTC
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Post by Barney
http://tinyurl.com/4k2la .com> had
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the
Rocket engine that made space exploration possible,
Wasn't rocket power a Nazi invention. At the end of WWII the Americans
smuggled the Nazi scientists into their own country.
The person credited with inventing liquid fuel rockets capable of operation
in the vacuum of space is Robert Goddard, an American.
Post by Barney
--
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Mitch Green
2005-01-20 22:12:54 UTC
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Post by Guy
Post by Barney
http://tinyurl.com/4k2la .com> had
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the
Rocket engine that made space exploration possible,
Wasn't rocket power a Nazi invention. At the end of WWII the Americans
smuggled the Nazi scientists into their own country.
The person credited with inventing liquid fuel rockets capable of operation
in the vacuum of space is Robert Goddard, an American.
]
His version was unusable, hence Von Braun's.
Essb
2005-01-20 20:54:15 UTC
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Post by Barney
http://tinyurl.com/4k2la .com> had
Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the
Rocket engine that made space exploration possible,
Wasn't rocket power a Nazi invention. At the end of WWII the Americans
smuggled the Nazi scientists into their own country.
True!
Post by Barney
--
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OrangeSFO
2005-01-20 19:18:26 UTC
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Post by John Shar Pei Face Ketchup Boy Kerry
Eurotrash were no match with the Yanks as the US invented the Rocket
engine that made space exploration possible
Wernher von Braun would like to have a word with you...
Steven L.
2005-01-20 15:40:24 UTC
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Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle
When it comes to fuel powered vehicles Old Europe are leaps and bounds ahead
of the competition.
Gee, I thought you left-wingers detested gasoline and diesel powered
vehicles because of their contribution to global warming and air
pollution. Your left-wing buddies will tell you that gasoline and
diesel powered vehicles are not the wave of the future for our planet.
Go ask them.

If anyone is way ahead on the new technologies of hybrid engines,
fuel-cell engines and hydrogen engines, it's Japan and the U.S.
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2005-01-20 16:40:27 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle
When it comes to fuel powered vehicles Old Europe are leaps and bounds ahead
of the competition.
Gee, I thought you left-wingers detested gasoline and diesel powered
vehicles because of their contribution to global warming and air
pollution.
Thats okay, I'm not leftwing. No offence taken shitlips.

-TheMan-
Barney
2005-01-20 17:23:47 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
If anyone is way ahead on the new technologies of hybrid engines,
fuel-cell engines and hydrogen engines, it's Japan and the U.S.
I am sure "Ballard" located in Burnaby, B.C. is not American.
Investors are not just Ford but Mercedes as well. To name just a
few.
--
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Barney
2005-01-20 17:31:37 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
Gee, I thought you left-wingers detested gasoline and diesel
powered vehicles because of their contribution to global warming
and air pollution. Your left-wing buddies will tell you that
gasoline and diesel powered vehicles are not the wave of the
future for our planet. Go ask them.
There are more vehicles in Europe that run on propane and Bio-Diesel
then North America. There are more gas SUV guzzlers in the US then
anywhere in the world. Japan had set the ball rolling with hybrids.
Perhaps they are not european but they sell more fuel efficent
vehicles to Europe then North America. No place in Europe suffered
the smog of LA.
--
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Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
Newsman
2005-01-21 05:17:24 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:40:24 GMT, "Steven L."
Post by Steven L.
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle
When it comes to fuel powered vehicles Old Europe are leaps and bounds ahead
of the competition.
Gee, I thought you left-wingers detested gasoline and diesel powered
vehicles because of their contribution to global warming and air
pollution. Your left-wing buddies will tell you that gasoline and
diesel powered vehicles are not the wave of the future for our planet.
Go ask them.
If anyone is way ahead on the new technologies of hybrid engines,
fuel-cell engines and hydrogen engines, it's Japan and the U.S.
Unfortunately the energy required to produce hydrogen exceeds the
energy available when it is burnt.
TheMan
2005-01-21 08:37:54 UTC
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Post by Newsman
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:40:24 GMT, "Steven L."
Post by Steven L.
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle
When it comes to fuel powered vehicles Old Europe are leaps and bounds ahead
of the competition.
Gee, I thought you left-wingers detested gasoline and diesel powered
vehicles because of their contribution to global warming and air
pollution. Your left-wing buddies will tell you that gasoline and
diesel powered vehicles are not the wave of the future for our planet.
Go ask them.
If anyone is way ahead on the new technologies of hybrid engines,
fuel-cell engines and hydrogen engines, it's Japan and the U.S.
Unfortunately the energy required to produce hydrogen exceeds the
energy available when it is burnt.
Thats 100% correct which is why we are still all driving petrol vehicles.

I'd say hybrids will become the new standard in the next 10-20 years, then
once Cold Fusion powerplants are created(first one being built in France in
the next 10 years) we will probably all move to Hydrogen powered vehicles.

-TheMan-
Frank F. Matthews
2005-01-21 18:52:18 UTC
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Post by Diabolik
Post by Newsman
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:40:24 GMT, "Steven L."
Post by Steven L.
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of
people
Post by Newsman
Post by Steven L.
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle
When it comes to fuel powered vehicles Old Europe are leaps and bounds
ahead
Post by Newsman
Post by Steven L.
Post by TheMan
of the competition.
Gee, I thought you left-wingers detested gasoline and diesel powered
vehicles because of their contribution to global warming and air
pollution. Your left-wing buddies will tell you that gasoline and
diesel powered vehicles are not the wave of the future for our planet.
Go ask them.
If anyone is way ahead on the new technologies of hybrid engines,
fuel-cell engines and hydrogen engines, it's Japan and the U.S.
Unfortunately the energy required to produce hydrogen exceeds the
energy available when it is burnt.
Thats 100% correct which is why we are still all driving petrol vehicles.
I'd say hybrids will become the new standard in the next 10-20 years, then
once Cold Fusion powerplants are created(first one being built in France in
the next 10 years) we will probably all move to Hydrogen powered vehicles.
-TheMan-
It is more customary and safer to use 20 or 30 years for fantasy
predictions. Your statement might just be remembered in 10 years and
cause trouble for your credibility.
TheMan
2005-01-22 06:05:24 UTC
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Post by Diabolik
Post by Newsman
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:40:24 GMT, "Steven L."
Post by Steven L.
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of
people
Post by Newsman
Post by Steven L.
Post by TheMan
Post by Diabolik
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
Petrol Engine
Diesel Engine
First powered vehicle
First petrol car
First jet engine
First long range ballistic missle
When it comes to fuel powered vehicles Old Europe are leaps and bounds
ahead
Post by Newsman
Post by Steven L.
Post by TheMan
of the competition.
Gee, I thought you left-wingers detested gasoline and diesel powered
vehicles because of their contribution to global warming and air
pollution. Your left-wing buddies will tell you that gasoline and
diesel powered vehicles are not the wave of the future for our planet.
Go ask them.
If anyone is way ahead on the new technologies of hybrid engines,
fuel-cell engines and hydrogen engines, it's Japan and the U.S.
Unfortunately the energy required to produce hydrogen exceeds the
energy available when it is burnt.
Thats 100% correct which is why we are still all driving petrol vehicles.
I'd say hybrids will become the new standard in the next 10-20 years, then
once Cold Fusion powerplants are created(first one being built in France in
the next 10 years) we will probably all move to Hydrogen powered vehicles.
-TheMan-
It is more customary and safer to use 20 or 30 years for fantasy
predictions. Your statement might just be remembered in 10 years and
cause trouble for your credibility.
Why are they fantasy predictions dickhead??

Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly. The worlds first
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in partnership
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.

You really like making a dickhead out of yourself don't you?? Better use
google before opening your mouth next time.

-TheMan-
Altair Voyager
2005-01-22 06:17:16 UTC
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Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly. The worlds first
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in partnership
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
At the moment, cold fusion power plants are as viable as cars with propellers,
being powered electrically by the wind.

Cold Fusion is a guess, not a certainty.
TheMan
2005-01-22 07:27:36 UTC
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01.iinet.net.au>
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly. The worlds first
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in partnership
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
At the moment, cold fusion power plants are as viable as cars with propellers,
being powered electrically by the wind.
Cold Fusion is a guess, not a certainty.
Well why the fuck are they investing so much into it then?? The governments
of the USA, EU and Japan all seem to disagree with you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3239806.stm

People said that people would never be able to walk on the moon either. Cold
Fusion is coming... and soon. Governments don't spend billions on conspiracy
theories, they only spend money when they think it has a high success rate.

-TheMan-
Harry Snape
2005-01-22 07:46:10 UTC
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Post by Altair Voyager
01.iinet.net.au>
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly. The worlds first
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by Altair Voyager
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
At the moment, cold fusion power plants are as viable as cars with
propellers,
Post by Altair Voyager
being powered electrically by the wind.
Cold Fusion is a guess, not a certainty.
Well why the fuck are they investing so much into it then?? The governments
of the USA, EU and Japan all seem to disagree with you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3239806.stm
People said that people would never be able to walk on the moon either. Cold
Fusion is coming... and soon. Governments don't spend billions on conspiracy
theories, they only spend money when they think it has a high success rate.
-TheMan-
That's hot fusion, Moron.
You seem to be suffering from CONfusion, as usual.
Why don't you stick your head in some plasma and tell us how cold it is.
Altair Voyager
2005-01-22 07:55:06 UTC
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01.iinet.net.au>
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly. The worlds first
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by Altair Voyager
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
At the moment, cold fusion power plants are as viable as cars with
propellers,
Post by Altair Voyager
being powered electrically by the wind.
Cold Fusion is a guess, not a certainty.
Well why the fuck are they investing so much into it then?? The governments
of the USA, EU and Japan all seem to disagree with you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3239806.stm
People said that people would never be able to walk on the moon either. Cold
Fusion is coming... and soon. Governments don't spend billions on conspiracy
theories, they only spend money when they think it has a high success rate.
-TheMan-
That's hot fusion, Moron.
You seem to be suffering from CONfusion, as usual.
Why don't you stick your head in some plasma and tell us how cold it is.
I got a kick out of an American show on ABC the other day, they seemed to imply
that the Huygems probe that landed on Titan was some kind of American device.

Jeeze! The Americans won WW2, they beat the Soviets, and now that one!
Harry Snape
2005-01-22 08:07:12 UTC
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Post by TheMan
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01.iinet.net.au>
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly. The worlds first
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by Altair Voyager
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
At the moment, cold fusion power plants are as viable as cars with
propellers,
Post by Altair Voyager
being powered electrically by the wind.
Cold Fusion is a guess, not a certainty.
Well why the fuck are they investing so much into it then?? The governments
of the USA, EU and Japan all seem to disagree with you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3239806.stm
People said that people would never be able to walk on the moon either. Cold
Fusion is coming... and soon. Governments don't spend billions on conspiracy
theories, they only spend money when they think it has a high success rate.
-TheMan-
That's hot fusion, Moron.
You seem to be suffering from CONfusion, as usual.
Why don't you stick your head in some plasma and tell us how cold it is.
I got a kick out of an American show on ABC the other day, they seemed to imply
that the Huygems probe that landed on Titan was some kind of American device.
Jeeze! The Americans won WW2, they beat the Soviets, and now that one!
I'm glad you found it so funny. Now perhaps when you read about the fact
that the Huygens-Cassini mission is a joint mission between NASA the
European Space agency and the Italian space agency you might realise
that you are laughing at yourself.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/team/index.html
"The Cassini program is an international cooperative effort involving
NASA, the European Space Agency (ESA) and the Italian space agency,
Agenzia Spaziale Italiana (ASI), as well as several separate European
academic and industrial contributors."
"The major U.S. contractor is Lockheed Martin, whose contributions
include the launch vehicle and upper stage, spacecraft propulsion module
and the radioisotope thermoelectric generators."

I watched a news bulletin that emphasised the Australian contribution,
two radio telescopes.
TheMan
2005-01-22 09:17:44 UTC
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Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly. The worlds first
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by Altair Voyager
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
At the moment, cold fusion power plants are as viable as cars with
propellers,
Post by Altair Voyager
being powered electrically by the wind.
Cold Fusion is a guess, not a certainty.
Well why the fuck are they investing so much into it then?? The governments
of the USA, EU and Japan all seem to disagree with you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3239806.stm
People said that people would never be able to walk on the moon either. Cold
Fusion is coming... and soon. Governments don't spend billions on conspiracy
theories, they only spend money when they think it has a high success rate.
-TheMan-
That's hot fusion, Moron.
You seem to be suffering from CONfusion, as usual.
Why don't you stick your head in some plasma and tell us how cold it is.
I got a kick out of an American show on ABC the other day, they seemed to imply
that the Huygems probe that landed on Titan was some kind of American device.
Jeeze! The Americans won WW2, they beat the Soviets, and now that one!
I'm glad you found it so funny. Now perhaps when you read about the fact
that the Huygens-Cassini mission is a joint mission between NASA the
European Space agency and the Italian space agency you might realise
that you are laughing at yourself.
Yes, but who made the probe Snapey?? That was his point.

-TheMan-
Harry Snape
2005-01-22 10:49:30 UTC
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Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly. The worlds
first
Post by Harry Snape
Post by Altair Voyager
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
Post by Altair Voyager
Post by TheMan
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by Altair Voyager
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
At the moment, cold fusion power plants are as viable as cars with
propellers,
Post by Altair Voyager
being powered electrically by the wind.
Cold Fusion is a guess, not a certainty.
Well why the fuck are they investing so much into it then?? The
governments
Post by Harry Snape
Post by Altair Voyager
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
of the USA, EU and Japan all seem to disagree with you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3239806.stm
People said that people would never be able to walk on the moon either.
Cold
Post by Harry Snape
Post by Altair Voyager
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
Fusion is coming... and soon. Governments don't spend billions on
conspiracy
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Post by Altair Voyager
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
theories, they only spend money when they think it has a high success
rate.
Post by Harry Snape
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Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
-TheMan-
That's hot fusion, Moron.
You seem to be suffering from CONfusion, as usual.
Why don't you stick your head in some plasma and tell us how cold it is.
I got a kick out of an American show on ABC the other day, they seemed
to imply
Post by Harry Snape
Post by Altair Voyager
that the Huygems probe that landed on Titan was some kind of American
device.
Post by Harry Snape
Post by Altair Voyager
Jeeze! The Americans won WW2, they beat the Soviets, and now that one!
I'm glad you found it so funny. Now perhaps when you read about the fact
that the Huygens-Cassini mission is a joint mission between NASA the
European Space agency and the Italian space agency you might realise
that you are laughing at yourself.
Yes, but who made the probe Snapey?? That was his point.
-TheMan-
So the launch vehicle and the orbiter are irrelevant but the probe,
which was a collaboration of a variety of space agencies must be
considered to be uniquely European for some reason? Is that the way your
twisted logic works?
Let's see what the European Space Agency says about this:
"The development of the Cassini-Huygens mission, a complex and ambitious
venture originally between NASA and ESA, required substantial
scientific, technical and programme planning effort over several years."
"Very early in the study phase, the Titan probe was identified as ESA’s
potential contribution to the international Cassini mission. It was
within the technical capabilities of the European space industry, which
had some experience in planetary missions, mainly acquired with the
Giotto mission of 1985."

The "it was within the capabilities of the the European space industry"
part seems to be implying that they have some limitations ...

Further:
"On the Huygens probe itself there are six instruments, each developed
by different international teams. The organisations involved include the
Université de Paris VII, Observatoire de Paris-Meudon, and the CNRS
Service d'Aéronomie, both of France, University of Arizona, USA,
Universität Bonn, Germany, and the Open University, UK.

These are supported by contributions from ESA, NASA and other
organisations in Italy, Austria, Germany, Spain, France, the United
Kingdom, Norway, Finland and the United States."


Once again it is clear to see why you are TheImbecile
ronin
2005-01-22 09:22:05 UTC
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Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly. The worlds first
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by Altair Voyager
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
At the moment, cold fusion power plants are as viable as cars with
propellers,
Post by Altair Voyager
being powered electrically by the wind.
Cold Fusion is a guess, not a certainty.
Well why the fuck are they investing so much into it then?? The governments
of the USA, EU and Japan all seem to disagree with you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3239806.stm
People said that people would never be able to walk on the moon either. Cold
Fusion is coming... and soon.
But not to america - they'd rather blow stuff up.
Post by TheMan
Governments don't spend billions on conspiracy
theories, they only spend money when they think it has a high success rate.
-TheMan-
Tex
2005-01-22 07:29:09 UTC
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Post by TheMan
Why are they fantasy predictions dickhead??
Um, coz there's no such thing as cold fusion yet?
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly.
LOL. selling strongly? Where exactly?

The worlds first
Post by TheMan
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in partnership
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
Uh huh. They're building a powerplant based on a non-existent energy source?
care to provide some details?
Post by TheMan
You really like making a dickhead out of yourself don't you?? Better use
google before opening your mouth next time.
DO you ever get tired of making an idiot of out yourself?
TheMan
2005-01-22 07:44:44 UTC
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Post by Tex
Post by TheMan
Why are they fantasy predictions dickhead??
Um, coz there's no such thing as cold fusion yet?
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly.
LOL. selling strongly? Where exactly?
http://prius.toyota.com.au/Prius03/SiteDetail/Article/1,1384,190-123-6985,00
.html

Toyota has responded to record demand for its groundbreaking Prius hybrid
electric car by announcing it will increase production by 50 per cent.
The increased production should reduce the waiting list for Australian
buyers, who are currently being quoted up to five months for delivery. This
scenario is repeated internationally with Japanese and US buyers waiting
over six months for delivery.
With no sign of a let-up in demand globally, Toyota will boost production
from 10,000 a month to 15,000 a month from the first half of next year.

The additional 5000 vehicles a month will be built at a second plant in
Japan.

It is the second increase announced since the launch of the
second-generation Prius last October.

In January, Toyota raised its sales target for 2004 from 76,000 units to
130,000 worldwide, an increase of 71 per cent.

Global sales of the environmentally friendly petrol-electric Prius passed
200,000 in May, representing a huge saving in greenhouse gas emissions.

Despite limited supply in Australia, Prius last month outsold vehicles such
as the Holden Caprice, Ford Explorer, Mitsubishi Verada and Nissan
Pathfinder.

Prius sales year-to-date total 533 locally compared with 135 for the same
period last year, an increase of 295 per cent. This excludes the nearly 300
back orders yet to be delivered – a total increase in demand of over 600 per
cent.

In the United States, industry analyst JD Power and Associates rated the
Prius as the fastest-selling car in the country, spending less time on
dealer lots than any other model sold by a major carmaker.

Toyota president Fujio Cho said that the innovative hybrid-electric
powerplant is the result of a challenge made to Toyota’s engineers in the
early 1990s to “go and develop a vehicle for the twenty first century”.

“Nobody knew what they would create,” Mr Cho told an automotive seminar in
Michigan on August 3.

“We developed this new technology because it will make a big difference (to
the environment), first as a specialty vehicle and later in a wide variety
of mainstream vehicles.

“From the beginning, we decided that design, engineering, parts production
and assembly would be done almost entirely in-house.

“The downside of this strategy was that such a project would not only be
very expensive, but would also drain our corporate engineering resources.

“And recovery of our investment would take time, requiring patience.

“Today, nearly seven years after the first Prius rolled off the line, we
have achieved all our initial goals.”
Post by Tex
The worlds first
Post by TheMan
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
Uh huh. They're building a powerplant based on a non-existent energy source?
care to provide some details?
Non existant power source??!? LMFAO!! You cockhead, how do you think the Sun
produces energy you moron?

Even your hero GW Bush is funding the Cold Fusion powerplant project in
France:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/01/30/fusion.science/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2798197.stm

Now you want to apologise now or later fuckhead?

-TheMan-
Harry Snape
2005-01-22 07:51:53 UTC
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Post by TheMan
Post by Tex
Post by TheMan
Why are they fantasy predictions dickhead??
Um, coz there's no such thing as cold fusion yet?
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly.
LOL. selling strongly? Where exactly?
http://prius.toyota.com.au/Prius03/SiteDetail/Article/1,1384,190-123-6985,00
.html
Toyota has responded to record demand for its groundbreaking Prius hybrid
electric car by announcing it will increase production by 50 per cent.
The increased production should reduce the waiting list for Australian
buyers, who are currently being quoted up to five months for delivery. This
scenario is repeated internationally with Japanese and US buyers waiting
over six months for delivery.
With no sign of a let-up in demand globally, Toyota will boost production
from 10,000 a month to 15,000 a month from the first half of next year.
The additional 5000 vehicles a month will be built at a second plant in
Japan.
It is the second increase announced since the launch of the
second-generation Prius last October.
In January, Toyota raised its sales target for 2004 from 76,000 units to
130,000 worldwide, an increase of 71 per cent.
Global sales of the environmentally friendly petrol-electric Prius passed
200,000 in May, representing a huge saving in greenhouse gas emissions.
Despite limited supply in Australia, Prius last month outsold vehicles such
as the Holden Caprice, Ford Explorer, Mitsubishi Verada and Nissan
Pathfinder.
Prius sales year-to-date total 533 locally compared with 135 for the same
period last year, an increase of 295 per cent. This excludes the nearly 300
back orders yet to be delivered – a total increase in demand of over 600 per
cent.
In the United States, industry analyst JD Power and Associates rated the
Prius as the fastest-selling car in the country, spending less time on
dealer lots than any other model sold by a major carmaker.
Toyota president Fujio Cho said that the innovative hybrid-electric
powerplant is the result of a challenge made to Toyota’s engineers in the
early 1990s to “go and develop a vehicle for the twenty first century”.
“Nobody knew what they would create,” Mr Cho told an automotive seminar in
Michigan on August 3.
“We developed this new technology because it will make a big difference (to
the environment), first as a specialty vehicle and later in a wide variety
of mainstream vehicles.
“From the beginning, we decided that design, engineering, parts production
and assembly would be done almost entirely in-house.
“The downside of this strategy was that such a project would not only be
very expensive, but would also drain our corporate engineering resources.
“And recovery of our investment would take time, requiring patience.
“Today, nearly seven years after the first Prius rolled off the line, we
have achieved all our initial goals.”
Post by Tex
The worlds first
Post by TheMan
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
Uh huh. They're building a powerplant based on a non-existent energy
source?
Post by Tex
care to provide some details?
Non existant power source??!? LMFAO!! You cockhead, how do you think the Sun
produces energy you moron?
So tell us, is the Sun cold?
Post by TheMan
Even your hero GW Bush is funding the Cold Fusion powerplant project in
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/01/30/fusion.science/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2798197.stm
Now you want to apologise now or later fuckhead?
-TheMan-
TheMan
2005-01-22 09:20:52 UTC
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Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
Post by Tex
Post by TheMan
Why are they fantasy predictions dickhead??
Um, coz there's no such thing as cold fusion yet?
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly.
LOL. selling strongly? Where exactly?
http://prius.toyota.com.au/Prius03/SiteDetail/Article/1,1384,190-123-6985,00
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
.html
Toyota has responded to record demand for its groundbreaking Prius hybrid
electric car by announcing it will increase production by 50 per cent.
The increased production should reduce the waiting list for Australian
buyers, who are currently being quoted up to five months for delivery. This
scenario is repeated internationally with Japanese and US buyers waiting
over six months for delivery.
With no sign of a let-up in demand globally, Toyota will boost production
from 10,000 a month to 15,000 a month from the first half of next year.
The additional 5000 vehicles a month will be built at a second plant in
Japan.
It is the second increase announced since the launch of the
second-generation Prius last October.
In January, Toyota raised its sales target for 2004 from 76,000 units to
130,000 worldwide, an increase of 71 per cent.
Global sales of the environmentally friendly petrol-electric Prius passed
200,000 in May, representing a huge saving in greenhouse gas emissions.
Despite limited supply in Australia, Prius last month outsold vehicles such
as the Holden Caprice, Ford Explorer, Mitsubishi Verada and Nissan
Pathfinder.
Prius sales year-to-date total 533 locally compared with 135 for the same
period last year, an increase of 295 per cent. This excludes the nearly 300
back orders yet to be delivered – a total increase in demand of over 600 per
cent.
In the United States, industry analyst JD Power and Associates rated the
Prius as the fastest-selling car in the country, spending less time on
dealer lots than any other model sold by a major carmaker.
Toyota president Fujio Cho said that the innovative hybrid-electric
powerplant is the result of a challenge made to Toyota’s engineers in the
early 1990s to “go and develop a vehicle for the twenty first century”.
“Nobody knew what they would create,” Mr Cho told an automotive seminar in
Michigan on August 3.
“We developed this new technology because it will make a big difference (to
the environment), first as a specialty vehicle and later in a wide variety
of mainstream vehicles.
“From the beginning, we decided that design, engineering, parts production
and assembly would be done almost entirely in-house.
“The downside of this strategy was that such a project would not only be
very expensive, but would also drain our corporate engineering resources.
“And recovery of our investment would take time, requiring patience.
“Today, nearly seven years after the first Prius rolled off the line, we
have achieved all our initial goals.”
Post by Tex
The worlds first
Post by TheMan
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
Uh huh. They're building a powerplant based on a non-existent energy
source?
Post by Tex
care to provide some details?
Non existant power source??!? LMFAO!! You cockhead, how do you think the Sun
produces energy you moron?
So tell us, is the Sun cold?
No, but is a Fusion powerplant going to be as hot as the sun? Waiting
eagerly for a reply snapey. But you are right it will not be fusion at room
temperature but a very controlled and managed fusion reaction inside a
magnetic field.

-TheMan-
Harry Snape
2005-01-22 10:40:30 UTC
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Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
Post by Tex
Post by TheMan
Why are they fantasy predictions dickhead??
Um, coz there's no such thing as cold fusion yet?
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly.
LOL. selling strongly? Where exactly?
http://prius.toyota.com.au/Prius03/SiteDetail/Article/1,1384,190-123-6985,00
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
.html
Toyota has responded to record demand for its groundbreaking Prius
hybrid
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
electric car by announcing it will increase production by 50 per cent.
The increased production should reduce the waiting list for Australian
buyers, who are currently being quoted up to five months for delivery.
This
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
scenario is repeated internationally with Japanese and US buyers waiting
over six months for delivery.
With no sign of a let-up in demand globally, Toyota will boost
production
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
from 10,000 a month to 15,000 a month from the first half of next year.
The additional 5000 vehicles a month will be built at a second plant in
Japan.
It is the second increase announced since the launch of the
second-generation Prius last October.
In January, Toyota raised its sales target for 2004 from 76,000 units to
130,000 worldwide, an increase of 71 per cent.
Global sales of the environmentally friendly petrol-electric Prius
passed
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
200,000 in May, representing a huge saving in greenhouse gas emissions.
Despite limited supply in Australia, Prius last month outsold vehicles
such
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
as the Holden Caprice, Ford Explorer, Mitsubishi Verada and Nissan
Pathfinder.
Prius sales year-to-date total 533 locally compared with 135 for the
same
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
period last year, an increase of 295 per cent. This excludes the nearly
300
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
back orders yet to be delivered – a total increase in demand of over 600
per
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
cent.
In the United States, industry analyst JD Power and Associates rated the
Prius as the fastest-selling car in the country, spending less time on
dealer lots than any other model sold by a major carmaker.
Toyota president Fujio Cho said that the innovative hybrid-electric
powerplant is the result of a challenge made to Toyota’s engineers in
the
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
early 1990s to “go and develop a vehicle for the twenty first century”.
“Nobody knew what they would create,” Mr Cho told an automotive seminar
in
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
Michigan on August 3.
“We developed this new technology because it will make a big difference
(to
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Post by TheMan
the environment), first as a specialty vehicle and later in a wide
variety
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
of mainstream vehicles.
“From the beginning, we decided that design, engineering, parts
production
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
and assembly would be done almost entirely in-house.
“The downside of this strategy was that such a project would not only be
very expensive, but would also drain our corporate engineering
resources.
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
“And recovery of our investment would take time, requiring patience.
“Today, nearly seven years after the first Prius rolled off the line, we
have achieved all our initial goals.”
Post by Tex
The worlds first
Post by TheMan
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
Uh huh. They're building a powerplant based on a non-existent energy
source?
Post by Tex
care to provide some details?
Non existant power source??!? LMFAO!! You cockhead, how do you think the
Sun
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
produces energy you moron?
So tell us, is the Sun cold?
No, but is a Fusion powerplant going to be as hot as the sun? Waiting
eagerly for a reply snapey. But you are right it will not be fusion at room
temperature but a very controlled and managed fusion reaction inside a
magnetic field.
-TheMan-
Actually much hotter. The Sun is about 10,000 degrees C. The very short
fusion reactions that have worked on earth have gone to about 1Mdegrees.

Cold fusion is the term applied to room temperature anomolous heat
claimed to have been found by Pons and Fleishmann. So far it appears to
be bogus or at best an unknown and probably useless process. You are a
fool by claiming the fusion research in France is "cold fusion".

(there is another cold fusion process that seems to be real, and
requires a crystalline structure to crack but let's not get into details
which are beyond TheImbecile)
Tex
2005-01-22 12:55:25 UTC
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Post by Harry Snape
(there is another cold fusion process that seems to be real, and
requires a crystalline structure to crack but let's not get into details
which are beyond TheImbecile)
I suspect this will be another subject TheMan won't come back to, along with
the 2004 elections, North Korea, 'Dubya is a socialist', and his claims
about the ancient land of "Palestine".

Chicken-Man really does have some IQ shortcomings........
Rodney
2005-01-22 14:03:23 UTC
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Post by Tex
Post by Harry Snape
(there is another cold fusion process that seems to be real, and
requires a crystalline structure to crack but let's not get into details
which are beyond TheImbecile)
I suspect this will be another subject TheMan won't come back to, along with
the 2004 elections, North Korea, 'Dubya is a socialist', and his claims
about the ancient land of "Palestine".
Chicken-Man really does have some IQ shortcomings........
He sure does, but you think that JR Ewing is a real person.
TheMan
2005-01-22 13:36:07 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
Post by Tex
Post by TheMan
Why are they fantasy predictions dickhead??
Um, coz there's no such thing as cold fusion yet?
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly.
LOL. selling strongly? Where exactly?
http://prius.toyota.com.au/Prius03/SiteDetail/Article/1,1384,190-123-6985,00
Post by Harry Snape
Post by Steven L.
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Post by TheMan
.html
Toyota has responded to record demand for its groundbreaking Prius
hybrid
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Post by TheMan
electric car by announcing it will increase production by 50 per cent.
The increased production should reduce the waiting list for Australian
buyers, who are currently being quoted up to five months for delivery.
This
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
scenario is repeated internationally with Japanese and US buyers waiting
over six months for delivery.
With no sign of a let-up in demand globally, Toyota will boost
production
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Post by TheMan
from 10,000 a month to 15,000 a month from the first half of next year.
The additional 5000 vehicles a month will be built at a second plant in
Japan.
It is the second increase announced since the launch of the
second-generation Prius last October.
In January, Toyota raised its sales target for 2004 from 76,000 units to
130,000 worldwide, an increase of 71 per cent.
Global sales of the environmentally friendly petrol-electric Prius
passed
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200,000 in May, representing a huge saving in greenhouse gas emissions.
Despite limited supply in Australia, Prius last month outsold vehicles
such
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as the Holden Caprice, Ford Explorer, Mitsubishi Verada and Nissan
Pathfinder.
Prius sales year-to-date total 533 locally compared with 135 for the
same
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Post by TheMan
period last year, an increase of 295 per cent. This excludes the nearly
300
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Post by TheMan
back orders yet to be delivered – a total increase in demand of over
600
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Post by Steven L.
per
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cent.
In the United States, industry analyst JD Power and Associates rated the
Prius as the fastest-selling car in the country, spending less time on
dealer lots than any other model sold by a major carmaker.
Toyota president Fujio Cho said that the innovative hybrid-electric
powerplant is the result of a challenge made to Toyota’s engineers in
the
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
early 1990s to “go and develop a vehicle for the twenty first century”.
“Nobody knew what they would create,” Mr Cho told an automotive seminar
in
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
Michigan on August 3.
“We developed this new technology because it will make a big difference
(to
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
the environment), first as a specialty vehicle and later in a wide
variety
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
of mainstream vehicles.
“From the beginning, we decided that design, engineering, parts
production
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
and assembly would be done almost entirely in-house.
“The downside of this strategy was that such a project would not only be
very expensive, but would also drain our corporate engineering
resources.
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
“And recovery of our investment would take time, requiring patience.
“Today, nearly seven years after the first Prius rolled off the line, we
have achieved all our initial goals.”
Post by Tex
The worlds first
Post by TheMan
Cold Fusion powerplant is being built in France, being built in
partnership
Post by TheMan
with Japan, USA and the EU and being sponsored to the tune of tens of
billions of dollars.
Uh huh. They're building a powerplant based on a non-existent energy
source?
Post by Tex
care to provide some details?
Non existant power source??!? LMFAO!! You cockhead, how do you think the
Sun
Post by Harry Snape
Post by TheMan
produces energy you moron?
So tell us, is the Sun cold?
No, but is a Fusion powerplant going to be as hot as the sun? Waiting
eagerly for a reply snapey. But you are right it will not be fusion at room
temperature but a very controlled and managed fusion reaction inside a
magnetic field.
-TheMan-
Actually much hotter. The Sun is about 10,000 degrees C. The very short
fusion reactions that have worked on earth have gone to about 1Mdegrees.
10 000 degree's Celcius?? BZZT wrong again Snapey!

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/sun.htm

"Solar energy is created deep within the core of the Sun. It is here that
the temperature (15,000,000° C; 27,000,000° F) and pressure (340 billion
times Earth's air pressure at sea level) is so intense that nuclear
reactions take place. This reaction causes four protons or hydrogen nuclei
to fuse together to form one alpha particle or helium nucleus. The alpha
particle is about .7 percent less massive than the four protons."


But I'll agree that I should not have called the powerstations "Cold Fusion"
but instead Controlled Fusion.

-TheMan-
Tex
2005-01-22 09:50:15 UTC
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Post by Tex
Post by Tex
Uh huh. They're building a powerplant based on a non-existent energy
source?
Post by Tex
care to provide some details?
Non existant power source??!? LMFAO!! You cockhead, how do you think the Sun
produces energy you moron?
Jesus, are you really this stupid?

It's called "fusion", not "COLD fusion", you fucking moron. Cold fusion
doesn't exist, you dig? It came up in 1989 when two guys at the university
of Utah claimed to have created a new kind of fusion inside a small canister
of water. Their research was debunked by pretty much everybody.
Post by Tex
Even your hero GW Bush is funding the Cold Fusion powerplant project in
They are building a FUSION reactor, dickhead.

"terrestrial fusion reactors must operate at lower pressures and higher
temperatures - about 100 million degrees."

Sounds kinda different from producing a reaction in a canister of
room-temperature water, doesn't it idiot?

You cockhead.
Post by Tex
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/01/30/fusion.science/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2798197.stm
Now you want to apologise now or later fuckhead?
Heh, not until you learn how to read, idiot.

By the way, when you gonna answer my questions, Chicken-Man?

regards,
Tex
Monty
2005-01-22 10:26:32 UTC
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Dimensions for the Airbus A380 can be viewed at
http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2005-01-16-a380-usat_x.htm.

It's just a more efficient way to kill more people in a single moment.
Thork
2005-01-22 16:12:17 UTC
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Post by Monty
Dimensions for the Airbus A380 can be viewed at
http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2005-01-16-a380-usat_x.htm.
It's just a more efficient way to kill more people in a single moment.
Then you think that they should only allow planes that seat one person to fly!
That will save lives.
qwerty
2005-01-22 17:17:54 UTC
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Post by Tex
Post by TheMan
Hybrid cars are already available and selling strongly.
LOL. selling strongly? Where exactly?
"Sat, Jan. 22, 2005"

"New models power growth in hybrid sales"

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/10708009.htm

"Lexus hybrid SUV orders set record"

"9,000 'pre-sold' orders; customers can track birth of their car"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5941899/


"Hybrid buyers are waiting in the wings "

"Environmentally conscious line up to buy most fuel-efficient cars "

"car buyers are waiting upward of three to four months for delivery of a
Toyota Prius"

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/04/21/MNGC468FFU1.DTL
Tilly
2005-01-22 09:00:30 UTC
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Post by TheMan
I'd say hybrids will become the new standard in the next 10-20 years,
then once Cold Fusion powerplants are created(first one being built
in France in the next 10 years) we will probably all move to Hydrogen
powered vehicles.
-TheMan-
Obviously you don't have a clue about the last cold fusion plant they tried
to build in France! The whole thing turned out to be a massive con on the
part of the scientists involved!It was scandal.
It may be much longer until they are able to use cold fusion .At the moment
they have managed how to do it.
--
Tilly

***@yahoo.co.nz
Tilly
2005-01-22 09:31:17 UTC
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Post by Tilly
It may be much longer until they are able to use cold fusion .At the
moment they have managed how to do it.
Correction: At the moment they *haven't* managed to even work out how to do
it.
--
Tilly

***@yahoo.co.nz
Arved Sandstrom
2005-01-21 11:40:21 UTC
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If anyone is way ahead on the new technologies of hybrid engines,
fuel-cell engines and hydrogen engines, it's Japan and the U.S.
As always, Canada never gets mentioned. I seem to recall that Ballard Power
Systems is headquartered in Burnaby, BC (including R&D), and their initial
manufacturing facility is nearby. They are leaders in fuel cell development
and production...leastways, a whole bunch of car companies think so.

Almost every province has wind farms
(http://www.canwea.ca/fr/CanadianWindFarms.html), in some case quite a few.
And many of them are using quite advanced technology.

And back in the early '80's I worked for a small company in Nova Scotia that
was developing innovative vertical shaft turbines for micro hydro
generation. It wasn't just blowing hot air - we built some of these things.

So, no, it's not just Japan and the US.

AHS
Barney
2005-01-21 17:43:41 UTC
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Post by Arved Sandstrom
As always, Canada never gets mentioned. I seem to recall that
Ballard Power Systems is headquartered in Burnaby, BC (including
R&D), and their initial manufacturing facility is nearby. They are
leaders in fuel cell development and production...leastways, a
whole bunch of car companies think so.
Almost every province has wind farms
(http://www.canwea.ca/fr/CanadianWindFarms.html), in some case
quite a few. And many of them are using quite advanced technology.
And back in the early '80's I worked for a small company in Nova
Scotia that was developing innovative vertical shaft turbines for
micro hydro generation. It wasn't just blowing hot air - we built
some of these things.
So, no, it's not just Japan and the US.
AHS
Actualy, I did mention Ballard earlier in a thread. The "tidal
turbine" is rarely heard of and an another east coast first. Is this
the Micro Hydro Generation of which you write?
--
Barney __________________________
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Bob Eldred
2005-01-20 15:47:18 UTC
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Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
It was reminiscent of opening ceremonies for Olympic Games, complete with
dancers resembling angels, floating through blue smoke clouds; towering over
them a tall, god-like figure, exhorting the audience to "remind yourself
that everything is possible".
Snip......
Truly a cattle barge if there ever was one. Can you imagine waiting in line
to board one of these monsters and going through security and all of the
other airport crap with 800 other passengers. Eight hundred?!! What a
nightmare. Furthermore, it helps to maintain the inefficient and
inconvenient hub system where changing planes, lost luggage and incessant
delays are the norm. The Europeans can have this turkey. Let's have smaller,
faster, more convenient and frequent service to more citites instead.
Bob
TheMan
2005-01-20 16:44:46 UTC
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Post by Bob Eldred
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
It was reminiscent of opening ceremonies for Olympic Games, complete with
dancers resembling angels, floating through blue smoke clouds; towering
over
Post by Diabolik
them a tall, god-like figure, exhorting the audience to "remind yourself
that everything is possible".
Snip......
Truly a cattle barge if there ever was one. Can you imagine waiting in line
to board one of these monsters and going through security and all of the
other airport crap with 800 other passengers. Eight hundred?!! What a
nightmare.
Bullshit... all airports that will take these planes will have a minimum of
two entry planks, one for upstairs passengers to enter and one for
downstairs passengers. A third entry plank is optional.

The Boeing 747 in comparison has 1 entry point and 450 passengers. Please
get your facts right before posting bullcrap.

-TheMan-
Barney
2005-01-20 17:37:16 UTC
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Post by Bob Eldred
Truly a cattle barge if there ever was one. Can you imagine
waiting in line to board one of these monsters and going through
security and all of the other airport crap with 800 other
passengers. Eight hundred?!! What a nightmare. Furthermore, it
helps to maintain the inefficient and inconvenient hub system
where changing planes, lost luggage and incessant delays are the
norm. The Europeans can have this turkey. Let's have smaller,
faster, more convenient and frequent service to more citites
instead. Bob
Most airports I have flown to process more then 800 at a time.
Perhaps they will adapt facilities to accomodate the crowds. They
seem to be able to do that for large sporting events. Your arguments
are consistant to when the DC8 was replaced.
--
Barney __________________________
Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
Mecki
2005-01-20 18:15:19 UTC
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Post by Bob Eldred
Truly a cattle barge if there ever was one. Can you imagine waiting
in line to board one of these monsters and going through security and
all of the other airport crap with 800 other passengers. Eight
hundred?!! What a nightmare. Furthermore, it helps to maintain the
inefficient and inconvenient hub system where changing planes, lost
luggage and incessant delays are the norm. The Europeans can have
this turkey. Let's have smaller, faster, more convenient and frequent
service to more citites instead.
Bob
Firstly I think nobody but a US carrier like Northwest would actually try to
cram 800 people into a single A380.
No, thank you sir!
Talk is about 550-600 seats and more comfort - Virgin Atlantic are even
talking about a gym, a shop and a bar on board.
Let's wait and see.
Smaller, faster (well, most modern aircraft fly close to ultra-sonic anyway,
so much faster isn't possible at least over land), more convenient and
frequent service to more cities will probably happen as well.
Nevertheless there are a lot of people who actually travel between major
cities (i.e. London - New York) and it is for those routes that bigger
planes make sense.
And if you would actually go to a major airport and have a look how security
and 'all of that other airport crap' works, you will find that it doesn't
matter how many planes take off but how many people actually want to fly and
how well organized or dis-organized the system is.
Especially in that regard the US airports can learn a lot from the Europeans
(2 hours to get out of O'Hare in Chicago, the same procedure takes 5-10
minutes at London's Heathrow).
And while you are there, just watch the runways for a while - planes landing
and starting every 2 minutes or so, with long queues on the ground and also
planes circling in the air.
You will very quickly realise that you cannot have more takeoffs and
landings as there already are.
So the only alternative is to put more people in at least some of the
planes.
Bob Eldred
2005-01-20 20:20:08 UTC
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Smaller, faster (well, most modern aircraft fly close to ultra-sonic anyway,
so much faster isn't possible at least over land), more convenient and
frequent service to more cities will probably happen as well.
Snip...

Not true..Modern aricraft don't fly any where close to mach 1. In fact they
have reduced average speeds about 100mph since the 1970's to save fuel. The
707 back in the 60's flew much faster than todays craft do. The A380 is
still a cattle barge and so is the 747. If you'd ever flown to the orient
from the US you'd know what I mean, not much fun. I might agree with you
about "Northworst."
Bob
Mecki
2005-01-20 22:42:35 UTC
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Cut......
Post by Mecki
Post by Mecki
Smaller, faster (well, most modern aircraft fly close to ultra-sonic
anyway,
Post by Mecki
so much faster isn't possible at least over land), more convenient
and frequent service to more cities will probably happen as well.
Snip...
Not true..Modern aricraft don't fly any where close to mach 1. In
fact they have reduced average speeds about 100mph since the 1970's
to save fuel. The 707 back in the 60's flew much faster than todays
craft do. The A380 is still a cattle barge and so is the 747. If
you'd ever flown to the orient from the US you'd know what I mean,
not much fun. I might agree with you about "Northworst."
Bob
So here we have the reason why faster aircraft are uneconomical - higher
fuel costs.
Looks like 800-850km/h is the speed where it is still regarded as being
economical.
I've flown around the world several times, and the top speed over ground
I've experienced (a 777 from L.A. to London) was over 1000km/h, the speed of
sound is 1188km/h, but we nevertheless only made about half an hour on the
scheduled flight time of 12 hours.
Didn't make any difference since we had to circle for over half an hour
before we were allowed to land due to congestion over England.
And if you ask me, the best flight I ever had was on a half empty United 747
from New Zealand to L.A. (12hrs) - 3 seats all for myself, I could even lie
down and get a decent sleep.
I've heard the A380 can carry 350t of fuel sufficient for a 18 hour non-stop
flight.

I guess faster planes also would make more noise (ever heard Concorde take
off or fly by?), and noise levels are nowadays crucial for landing rights on
many airports.
And most likely they would be a lot more expensive to build since they need
more powerful engines and must be able to carry more fuel.
Sure worthwhile to consider with ever increasing oil prices, wouldn't you
agree?

Mecki
geezer
2005-01-21 06:56:36 UTC
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Post by Mecki
Especially in that regard the US airports can learn a lot from the Europeans
(2 hours to get out of O'Hare in Chicago, the same procedure takes 5-10
minutes at London's Heathrow).
Ratflmao: when did you last transit Thiefrow: 1979?
Mecki
2005-01-21 10:01:39 UTC
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Post by geezer
Post by Mecki
Especially in that regard the US airports can learn a lot from the
Europeans (2 hours to get out of O'Hare in Chicago, the same
procedure takes 5-10 minutes at London's Heathrow).
Ratflmao: when did you last transit Thiefrow: 1979?
No, in 2003 - Memphis was even worse, everybody got searched again for
explosives when we got OFF the plane, took over an hour! US immigration is
the slowest in the world.
Sid
2005-01-20 19:27:39 UTC
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Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
It can't be called The Spruce Goose because it isn't made of wood.

Size, at least when it comes to aircraft isn't important.

When the first passenger carrying one crashes and burns (god forbid)
they'll be used to raise battery chickens.

Europe is presently trying to build the worlds biggest microchip.

Sidney.
Barney
2005-01-20 20:17:49 UTC
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Post by Sid
Europe is presently trying to build the worlds biggest microchip.
Sidney.
Bigger is better would make SUVs an European thing. Boeing must have
designed the 747 for europe I guess. The old "Jumbo" airbus (747) was
the biggest at one time. I remember the 727 replacing the DC8.
--
Barney __________________________
Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
stormwatcher
2005-01-21 00:24:54 UTC
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Post by Sid
Europe is presently trying to build the worlds biggest microchip.
Glad someone has a sense of humour.

That said, the A380 is still quite an accomplishment. I think where it
has the edge over Boeing is fuel efficiencey. Also, that it is brand
new. After 35 years, it may be time for Boeing to come out with an all
new jumbo.
Roger Dewhurst
2005-01-21 04:16:44 UTC
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Post by stormwatcher
Post by Sid
Europe is presently trying to build the worlds biggest microchip.
Glad someone has a sense of humour.
That said, the A380 is still quite an accomplishment. I think where it
has the edge over Boeing is fuel efficiencey. Also, that it is brand
new. After 35 years, it may be time for Boeing to come out with an all
new jumbo.
Would you want to fly in an aeroplane the wings of which have been made by
the British, the tail by the Spanish and the body by the French?

R
Barney
2005-01-21 04:34:50 UTC
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Post by Roger Dewhurst
Would you want to fly in an aeroplane the wings of which have been
made by the British, the tail by the Spanish and the body by the
French?
R
I have flow in one made by the Irish and yes even those made by
Americans. I have a couple of trucks where some of the parts are from
the States. They aren't made to fly but do okay on the road. We just
have to wait to see if Japan can come up with a quality flying
machine. Few of us will get to fly in the new airplane though.
--
Barney __________________________
Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
geezer
2005-01-21 07:02:14 UTC
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. Few of us will get to fly in the new airplane though.

Why? According to report Emirates, which flies regularly into NZ has ordered
45 of the beasts giving us in this part of the world an excellent chance of
flying in one.
Barney
2005-01-21 07:17:40 UTC
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Post by Barney
. Few of us will get to fly in the new airplane though.
Why? According to report Emirates, which flies regularly into NZ
has ordered 45 of the beasts giving us in this part of the world
an excellent chance of flying in one.
Not going to New Zealand and doubt the plane will be used Nationally.
Mind you I am tall and would appreciate more room to stretch the
legs. World travelers get all the fun.
--
Barney __________________________
Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
Matty
2005-01-21 07:50:56 UTC
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Post by Barney
Post by Barney
. Few of us will get to fly in the new airplane though.
Why? According to report Emirates, which flies regularly into NZ
has ordered 45 of the beasts giving us in this part of the world
an excellent chance of flying in one.
Not going to New Zealand and doubt the plane will be used Nationally.
Mind you I am tall and would appreciate more room to stretch the
legs. World travelers get all the fun.
They have been widening the runway at Auckland Airport for a while now
in readiness for the Giant Airbus.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?ObjectID=10007192

19.01.05

Auckland Airport is spending around $25m to upgrade runways and taxiways
so it can handle the new Airbus A380 superjumbo.

Airports worldwide are spending millions to accommodate the massive
wingspan of the aircraft. Auckland is adding 7.5m to the width of
runways and increasing the turning circle on taxiways.

There is however no need to increase the load-bearing capacity of the
runway as the weight on each of the A380's 20 wheels is no more than
current aircraft.

Emirates has said it aims to use the aircraft at Auckland by the end of
next year, while Qantas has also said it will be flying the aircraft
into New Zealand.
Barney
2005-01-21 17:37:59 UTC
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Post by Matty
Emirates has said it aims to use the aircraft at Auckland by the
end of next year, while Qantas has also said it will be flying the
aircraft into New Zealand.
Hopefully by then I can afford to go back to Auckland. I live on an
Island on Canadas west coast. There are only two airports that have the
capability to land even a 747. Mind you once on the mainland, there is
already capability for the new airbus.
--
Barney __________________________
Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
Frank F. Matthews
2005-01-21 18:54:20 UTC
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Post by Barney
Post by Barney
. Few of us will get to fly in the new airplane though.
Why? According to report Emirates, which flies regularly into NZ
has ordered 45 of the beasts giving us in this part of the world
an excellent chance of flying in one.
Not going to New Zealand and doubt the plane will be used Nationally.
Mind you I am tall and would appreciate more room to stretch the
legs. World travelers get all the fun.
What in the world makes you think that there will be more room to
stretch instead of more passenger seats?
Barney
2005-01-21 20:12:05 UTC
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Post by Frank F. Matthews
What in the world makes you think that there will be more room to
stretch instead of more passenger seats?
It may be only the 1st class tickets but there are to be lounges. I
remember when the 747s?? first came out with two isles. The seats were
still against the knees.
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Barney __________________________
Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
Altair Voyager
2005-01-21 23:22:00 UTC
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Post by Barney
Post by Frank F. Matthews
What in the world makes you think that there will be more room to
stretch instead of more passenger seats?
It may be only the 1st class tickets but there are to be lounges. I
remember when the 747s?? first came out with two isles. The seats were
still against the knees.
Since the A380 will be used for long distance flights and have two decks, it
makes sense that they would allow more room. The actual layout (along with the
jet engines) is up to the carrier, not the manufacturer.

Out of the 140 A380 orders so far, only 10 of them have been ordered for cargo.
I can see that increasing because the cargo version will carry 150 tonnes with
3 levels.

In spite of everything I've read on Usenet about airports having to modify
their facilities, the following excerpt says that isn't much of an issue.
The Russian giant cargo plane (Antonov An-225) doesn't require as much runway
as the Boeing 747.

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=29

"Key design aims include the ability to use existing airport infrastructure
with little modifications to the airports, and direct operating costs per seat
15-20% less than those for the 747-400. With 49% more floor space and only 35%
more seating than the previous largest aircraft, Airbus is ensuring wider seats
and aisles for more passenger comfort. Using the most advanced technologies,
the A380 is also designed to have 10-15% more range, lower fuel burn and
emissions, and less noise.


The A380 features an advanced version of the Airbus common two crew cockpit,
with pull-out keyboards for the pilots, extensive use of composite materials
such as GLARE (an aluminium/glass fibre composite), and four 302 to 374kN
(68,000 to 84,000lb) class Rolls-Royce Trent 900 or Engine Alliance (General
Electric/Pratt & Whitney) GP7200 turbofans now under development.


Several A380 models are planned: the basic aircraft is the 555 seat A380-800
(launch customer Emirates). The 590 ton MTOW 10,410km (5620nm) A380-800F
freighter will be able to carry a 150 tonne payload and is due to enter service
in 2008 (launch customer FedEx). Potential future models will include the
shortened, 480 seat A380-700, and the stretched, 656 seat, A380-900."
Matty
2005-01-21 07:46:06 UTC
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Post by Roger Dewhurst
Would you want to fly in an aeroplane the wings of which have been made by
the British, the tail by the Spanish and the body by the French?
Who makes the Air NZ planes that parts keep falling off?
Newsman
2005-01-21 09:13:21 UTC
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Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Would you want to fly in an aeroplane the wings of which have been
made by
Post by Roger Dewhurst
the British, the tail by the Spanish and the body by the French?
Who makes the Air NZ planes that parts keep falling off?
Not forgetting another American company one of whose planes had a
regular and unfortunate habit of shedding various components while in
flight, especially the cargo hatch.
Altair Voyager
2005-01-21 12:57:46 UTC
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Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Would you want to fly in an aeroplane the wings of which have been
made by
Post by Roger Dewhurst
the British, the tail by the Spanish and the body by the French?
Who makes the Air NZ planes that parts keep falling off?
That sounds like poor maintenance procedure, not poor airplanes.
Julian D.
2005-01-20 22:00:13 UTC
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Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
It was reminiscent of opening ceremonies for Olympic Games, complete with
dancers resembling angels, floating through blue smoke clouds; towering over
them a tall, god-like figure, exhorting the audience to "remind yourself
that everything is possible".
And then there were the four dancers representing the four European nations
that are backing the A380 project, each of them displaying the names of some
of their greatest creative minds: Einstein, Goethe, Goya, Gaudi, Victor
Hugo, Shakespeare and the Beatles.
But this was more than just brilliance by association: "It is a truly
magnificent human endeavour," declared France's President Jacques Chirac.
With an 80-metre wing span, the A380 is the largest civilian aircraft ever
built. "Now we see this final product and we are amazed," said UK Prime
Minister Tony Blair. "It is simply stunning."
For Airbus chief executive Noel Forgeard it was a moment to behold, and not
to be modest: "Under the name Airbus, Europe has written one of its most
beautiful pages of its history."
High-level corporate battles - fought both internally among Airbus
executives vying for position and externally against competitor Boeing -
would have to wait for another day.
And yet, the trade spat between the European Union and the United States did
rear its ugly head.
The US insists the repayable launch aid stumped up by Airbus's four
backers - France, Germany, the UK and Spain - is an illegal subsidy. The
Europeans complain about Washington's payments to Boeing.
For German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Tuesday's ceremony was too good an
opportunity to miss for a slight dig at the US.
"There is the tradition of good old Europe that has made this possible," he
said defiantly, sounding almost triumphant as he deliberately redefined the
phrase previously used by US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
And Mr Schroeder went further, making it clear that Europe would continue
backing Airbus, within the framework of international trade rules.
"We have done that in the past, we are doing it now, and we will do so in
the future," he said.
But the endorsements by the four heads of government and state were not the
only reasons why Mr Forgeard was happy.
He was also joined by the heads of the 14 airlines that have placed firm
orders for the A380.
Flanked by some of the world's most powerful air industry chief executives,
there was no end to the mutual backslapping.
"We shall make a family photo," Mr Forgeard declared as he lined up for the
unique picture. "Something like this will never happen again."
Each and everyone of the executives was keen to make his mark on this
extraordinary day.
Predictably, Virgin Atlantic chairman Sir Richard Branson, the only one of
them not wearing a tie, outdid them all with the most outlandish
performance.
Passengers on Virgin's A380s, he declared, would be able to go to the gym or
use the aeroplane's beauty parlour. There would be large bars, a casino and
even a few double-beds, he said, quipping about there being "two ways of
getting lucky" on a Virgin A380 flight.
Lufthansa's chief executive Wolfgang Mayrhuber was more sober in his praise
for the aircraft, insisting its arrival would be good news for Lufthansa's
customers, its shareholders and the environment.
Jolly green giant. Indeed, the A380 aircraft was widely hailed as an
environmentally friendly aircraft.
Airbus says the aeroplane burns 12% less fuel than its competitor, the
Boeing 747, largely due to its wing design and its use of lightweight
composite materials.
Again the politicians were prepared to stick their neck to back the Airbus
promise. "The A380 is the only commercial plane designed from the outset to
be environmentally friendly", said Mr Blair. "It consumes less than three
litres of fuel per passengers over 100km, a rate comparable to a modern
diesel car."
The A380 is also supposed to be a quiet aircraft, which will meet ever
tougher noise pollution requirements.
"London Heathrow has the most stringent noise regulation in the world," said
Singapore Airlines chief executive Chew Choon Seng. "This aircraft is able
to meet those requirements."
With all the hype, though, it is easy to forget that the politicians and
chief executives are talking about a prototype aircraft.
The A380 is a plane that has never left the runway. Its first flight is due
to take place this spring, and it should go into commercial service in 2006.
The new Airbus is a big plane; but big questions about its future have not
yet been answered.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4184987.stm
It'll probably be used to fly in even more muslims.
Europe will be islamic in a generation.



JD

"On the other hand, I think sometimes I take kind of a delight
in who the critics are."
-President George W. Bush
Time's Person Of The Year
2004

"The course of this nation does not depend on the decisions of
others."
-President George W. Bush
SOA
2003

"Exit polls do not support the allegations of fraud due to rigging of
voting equipment. Our analysis of the difference between the vote
count and the exit poll at each polling location in our sample has
found no systematic differences for precincts using touch screen and
optical scan voting equipment," the report found.
-CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/19/exit.polls/
Mitch Green
2005-01-20 22:16:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Julian D.
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
It was reminiscent of opening ceremonies for Olympic Games, complete with
dancers resembling angels, floating through blue smoke clouds; towering over
them a tall, god-like figure, exhorting the audience to "remind yourself
that everything is possible".
And then there were the four dancers representing the four European nations
that are backing the A380 project, each of them displaying the names of some
of their greatest creative minds: Einstein, Goethe, Goya, Gaudi, Victor
Hugo, Shakespeare and the Beatles.
But this was more than just brilliance by association: "It is a truly
magnificent human endeavour," declared France's President Jacques Chirac.
With an 80-metre wing span, the A380 is the largest civilian aircraft ever
built. "Now we see this final product and we are amazed," said UK Prime
Minister Tony Blair. "It is simply stunning."
For Airbus chief executive Noel Forgeard it was a moment to behold, and not
to be modest: "Under the name Airbus, Europe has written one of its most
beautiful pages of its history."
High-level corporate battles - fought both internally among Airbus
executives vying for position and externally against competitor Boeing -
would have to wait for another day.
And yet, the trade spat between the European Union and the United States did
rear its ugly head.
The US insists the repayable launch aid stumped up by Airbus's four
backers - France, Germany, the UK and Spain - is an illegal subsidy. The
Europeans complain about Washington's payments to Boeing.
For German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Tuesday's ceremony was too good an
opportunity to miss for a slight dig at the US.
"There is the tradition of good old Europe that has made this possible," he
said defiantly, sounding almost triumphant as he deliberately redefined the
phrase previously used by US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
And Mr Schroeder went further, making it clear that Europe would continue
backing Airbus, within the framework of international trade rules.
"We have done that in the past, we are doing it now, and we will do so in
the future," he said.
But the endorsements by the four heads of government and state were not the
only reasons why Mr Forgeard was happy.
He was also joined by the heads of the 14 airlines that have placed firm
orders for the A380.
Flanked by some of the world's most powerful air industry chief executives,
there was no end to the mutual backslapping.
"We shall make a family photo," Mr Forgeard declared as he lined up for the
unique picture. "Something like this will never happen again."
Each and everyone of the executives was keen to make his mark on this
extraordinary day.
Predictably, Virgin Atlantic chairman Sir Richard Branson, the only one of
them not wearing a tie, outdid them all with the most outlandish
performance.
Passengers on Virgin's A380s, he declared, would be able to go to the gym or
use the aeroplane's beauty parlour. There would be large bars, a casino and
even a few double-beds, he said, quipping about there being "two ways of
getting lucky" on a Virgin A380 flight.
Lufthansa's chief executive Wolfgang Mayrhuber was more sober in his praise
for the aircraft, insisting its arrival would be good news for Lufthansa's
customers, its shareholders and the environment.
Jolly green giant. Indeed, the A380 aircraft was widely hailed as an
environmentally friendly aircraft.
Airbus says the aeroplane burns 12% less fuel than its competitor, the
Boeing 747, largely due to its wing design and its use of lightweight
composite materials.
Again the politicians were prepared to stick their neck to back the Airbus
promise. "The A380 is the only commercial plane designed from the outset to
be environmentally friendly", said Mr Blair. "It consumes less than three
litres of fuel per passengers over 100km, a rate comparable to a modern
diesel car."
The A380 is also supposed to be a quiet aircraft, which will meet ever
tougher noise pollution requirements.
"London Heathrow has the most stringent noise regulation in the world," said
Singapore Airlines chief executive Chew Choon Seng. "This aircraft is able
to meet those requirements."
With all the hype, though, it is easy to forget that the politicians and
chief executives are talking about a prototype aircraft.
The A380 is a plane that has never left the runway. Its first flight is due
to take place this spring, and it should go into commercial service in 2006.
The new Airbus is a big plane; but big questions about its future have not
yet been answered.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4184987.stm
It'll probably be used to fly in even more muslims.
Europe will be islamic in a generation.
JD
Just like the USA. America is full of Muslims and fat, cowardly sacks of shit
like you. Vile American pigs like you should be forced to go into battle, not
allowed to hide behind your computers, eating junk food and getting fatter.
Julian D.
2005-01-20 22:58:36 UTC
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:16:31 -0500, "Mitch Green"
Post by Mitch Green
Post by Julian D.
Post by Diabolik
At last the curtains have been raised to reveal the giant Airbus A380
aircraft, a plane that promises to revolutionise air travel and help
contribute to a doubling or perhaps even trebling of the number of people
flying over the next two decades. The historic moment was marked with a
rather grand ceremony at Airbus headquarters near Toulouse.
It was reminiscent of opening ceremonies for Olympic Games, complete with
dancers resembling angels, floating through blue smoke clouds; towering over
them a tall, god-like figure, exhorting the audience to "remind yourself
that everything is possible".
And then there were the four dancers representing the four European nations
that are backing the A380 project, each of them displaying the names of some
of their greatest creative minds: Einstein, Goethe, Goya, Gaudi, Victor
Hugo, Shakespeare and the Beatles.
But this was more than just brilliance by association: "It is a truly
magnificent human endeavour," declared France's President Jacques Chirac.
With an 80-metre wing span, the A380 is the largest civilian aircraft ever
built. "Now we see this final product and we are amazed," said UK Prime
Minister Tony Blair. "It is simply stunning."
For Airbus chief executive Noel Forgeard it was a moment to behold, and not
to be modest: "Under the name Airbus, Europe has written one of its most
beautiful pages of its history."
High-level corporate battles - fought both internally among Airbus
executives vying for position and externally against competitor Boeing -
would have to wait for another day.
And yet, the trade spat between the European Union and the United States did
rear its ugly head.
The US insists the repayable launch aid stumped up by Airbus's four
backers - France, Germany, the UK and Spain - is an illegal subsidy. The
Europeans complain about Washington's payments to Boeing.
For German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Tuesday's ceremony was too good an
opportunity to miss for a slight dig at the US.
"There is the tradition of good old Europe that has made this possible," he
said defiantly, sounding almost triumphant as he deliberately redefined the
phrase previously used by US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
And Mr Schroeder went further, making it clear that Europe would continue
backing Airbus, within the framework of international trade rules.
"We have done that in the past, we are doing it now, and we will do so in
the future," he said.
But the endorsements by the four heads of government and state were not the
only reasons why Mr Forgeard was happy.
He was also joined by the heads of the 14 airlines that have placed firm
orders for the A380.
Flanked by some of the world's most powerful air industry chief executives,
there was no end to the mutual backslapping.
"We shall make a family photo," Mr Forgeard declared as he lined up for the
unique picture. "Something like this will never happen again."
Each and everyone of the executives was keen to make his mark on this
extraordinary day.
Predictably, Virgin Atlantic chairman Sir Richard Branson, the only one of
them not wearing a tie, outdid them all with the most outlandish
performance.
Passengers on Virgin's A380s, he declared, would be able to go to the gym or
use the aeroplane's beauty parlour. There would be large bars, a casino and
even a few double-beds, he said, quipping about there being "two ways of
getting lucky" on a Virgin A380 flight.
Lufthansa's chief executive Wolfgang Mayrhuber was more sober in his praise
for the aircraft, insisting its arrival would be good news for Lufthansa's
customers, its shareholders and the environment.
Jolly green giant. Indeed, the A380 aircraft was widely hailed as an
environmentally friendly aircraft.
Airbus says the aeroplane burns 12% less fuel than its competitor, the
Boeing 747, largely due to its wing design and its use of lightweight
composite materials.
Again the politicians were prepared to stick their neck to back the Airbus
promise. "The A380 is the only commercial plane designed from the outset to
be environmentally friendly", said Mr Blair. "It consumes less than three
litres of fuel per passengers over 100km, a rate comparable to a modern
diesel car."
The A380 is also supposed to be a quiet aircraft, which will meet ever
tougher noise pollution requirements.
"London Heathrow has the most stringent noise regulation in the world," said
Singapore Airlines chief executive Chew Choon Seng. "This aircraft is able
to meet those requirements."
With all the hype, though, it is easy to forget that the politicians and
chief executives are talking about a prototype aircraft.
The A380 is a plane that has never left the runway. Its first flight is due
to take place this spring, and it should go into commercial service in 2006.
The new Airbus is a big plane; but big questions about its future have not
yet been answered.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4184987.stm
It'll probably be used to fly in even more muslims.
Europe will be islamic in a generation.
JD
Just like the USA. America is full of Muslims and fat, cowardly sacks of shit
like you. Vile American pigs like you should be forced to go into battle, not
allowed to hide behind your computers, eating junk food and getting fatter.
How dare you.


JD

"On the other hand, I think sometimes I take kind of a delight
in who the critics are."
-President George W. Bush
Time's Person Of The Year
2004

"The course of this nation does not depend on the decisions of
others."
-President George W. Bush
SOA
2003

"Exit polls do not support the allegations of fraud due to rigging of
voting equipment. Our analysis of the difference between the vote
count and the exit poll at each polling location in our sample has
found no systematic differences for precincts using touch screen and
optical scan voting equipment," the report found.
-CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/19/exit.polls/
w***@yahoo.com
2005-01-20 22:16:11 UTC
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