Discussion:
What did Mahmoud Ahmadinejad say that was not true?
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Viejo Vizcacha
2009-04-22 12:53:02 UTC
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There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.

The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.

That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.

VV
B J Foster
2009-04-22 13:37:20 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-04-22 16:29:43 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe.  Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution."  The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated.  Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination?  Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter.  The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

It should be noted, though, that population transfer was not a policy
invented to favour Jewish immigrants in Palestine and/or punish
Palestinians. At the time, that was the "solution" that was favoured
by politicians. About 15 million Germans were uprooted and displaced
at the end of WWII, with more than a million dead. And the separation
of Pakistan and India also brought a transfer of millions with
hundreds of thousands dead.

So, my point is that we should neither regard the plight of
Palestinians as a unique tragedy, nor should we disregard it just
because it also happened to many more. Population transfer is now
considered illegal and a crime, yet that was the favoured policy at
the end of WWII.

ViejoVizcacha
B J Foster
2009-04-22 22:08:49 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
The truth is that the majority of Palestinians fled, the majority were
tenants not owners of the land and that those who stayed became full
citizens with full rights. The truth is that after the new Jewish
settlers had improved the land the absentee landlords suddenly wanted it
back. The truth is that Yassir Arafat and the PLO were created and
funded by the landlord dynasties who sold desert and marshland to Jews.
e.g. http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

The truth is that these landlords advised 'Palestinians' to leave. The
truth is that 'Palestine' never existed. Jordan (aka 'Trans-Jordan') is
east Palestine.

Q. Why don't they go there?
A. Because they want it all.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
It should be noted, though, that population transfer was not a policy
invented to favour Jewish immigrants in Palestine and/or punish
Palestinians. At the time, that was the "solution" that was favoured
by politicians. About 15 million Germans were uprooted and displaced
at the end of WWII, with more than a million dead. And the separation
of Pakistan and India also brought a transfer of millions with
hundreds of thousands dead.
So, my point is that we should neither regard the plight of
Palestinians as a unique tragedy, nor should we disregard it just
because it also happened to many more. Population transfer is now
considered illegal and a crime, yet that was the favoured policy at
the end of WWII.
ViejoVizcacha
David Moss
2009-04-25 08:55:07 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
The
truth is that 'Palestine' never existed. Jordan (aka 'Trans-Jordan') is
east Palestine.
The map at
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story582.html
seems to tell a different story. Signed by Moshe Dayan too I notice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan
--
David Moss
Personal opinion only
The Australian Politics Resource
http://politics.sunnybar.dynip.com
David Moss
2009-04-25 08:47:28 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
The truth is that the majority of Palestinians fled
Why did they flee?
--
David Moss
Personal opinion only
The Australian Politics Resource
http://politics.sunnybar.dynip.com
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-23 00:33:08 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-04-23 01:00:57 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.

VV
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-23 01:39:02 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.
Is that all? But that makes sense. I mean yeah he is a hypocrite who
oppresses bahai's but the allies could have given West Germany to the Jews.
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-04-23 02:00:23 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Exactly!!!!  That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.
Is that all? But that makes sense. I mean yeah he is a hypocrite who
oppresses bahai's but the allies could have given West Germany to the Jews.
Of course he is an hypocrite. You do not think I am an admirer of the
guy, do you? Nevertheless, what he says about how Israel came to be
and the impact on the Palestinians is absolutely true.

VV
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-23 04:19:01 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.
Is that all? But that makes sense. I mean yeah he is a hypocrite who
oppresses bahai's but the allies could have given West Germany to the Jews.
Of course he is an hypocrite. You do not think I am an admirer of the
guy, do you? Nevertheless, what he says about how Israel came to be
and the impact on the Palestinians is absolutely true.
Nope and neather am I. I hate to agree with him but I can't really debate
the facts without resorting to petty name calling.
B J Foster
2009-04-23 10:05:47 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.
VV
Crap. He said nothing of the sort.
Peter Webb
2009-04-23 10:30:19 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.
VV
Crap. He said nothing of the sort.
He called Israel a racist state.

So much for any potential value from holding an international conference on
racism, not that there was any really any from the beginning. Did they
really think Ahmedinajad was there to learn how to better treat his own
racial minorities?

Good that Australia did not attend. Good that they Western world walked out
on him en-masse. Bad that men with beards clapped. At least we saw the faces
of our enemies.
B J Foster
2009-04-23 10:56:17 UTC
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Post by Peter Webb
Post by B J Foster
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.
VV
Crap. He said nothing of the sort.
He called Israel a racist state.
So much for any potential value from holding an international conference
on racism, not that there was any really any from the beginning. Did
they really think Ahmedinajad was there to learn how to better treat his
own racial minorities?
Good that Australia did not attend. Good that they Western world walked
out on him en-masse. Bad that men with beards clapped. At least we saw
the faces of our enemies.
He's a liar and a hypocrite:

This from the Tehran Times:

"Minister says Sejjil missile improves Iran’s defense power

TEHRAN – Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najar stated on Wednesday
that the manufacture of solid fuel Sejjil missile has significantly
improved Iran’s missile capabilities.

'With manufacturing advanced missiles like Sejjil our young experts have
increased the Islamic Republic of Iran’s missile power', he told
reporters in Tehran.

In 2008 Iran successfully tested its two-stage surface-to-surface
missile which has a range of up to 1,200 miles.

Mohammad-Najjar said Iran has produced missiles such as Sejjil which are
more sophisticated than Shahab generation.

Asked about recent military threats against Iran by some Israeli
officials, he said Iran would 'decisively' respond to any attack"
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=192916


First of all, far from 'responding', Iran actively supports Hezbollah
and Hamas in terror attacks on Israeli civilians.

Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?


Third, hypocsrisy - religious persecution (as you say) is a problem in Iran:
"Although Christianity is a recognized religion in Iran, evangelical
Christians, some of whom have converted from Islam, often face
harassment by the authorities. Converts from Islam can risk arrest,
attack or the death penalty. Conversion from Islam (apostasy) is
considered as forbidden under Islamic Law, which requires apostates to
be put to death if they refuse to reconvert to Islam".
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE13/030/2009/en/b6f6b035-b2d0-4b7d-8a0f-810afeb85517/mde130302009eng.html


"The Baha’i faith was founded about 150 years ago in Iran and has since
spread around the world. Since the establishment of the Islamic Republic
of Iran in 1979, the Baha’i community has been systematically harassed
and persecuted. There are over 300,000 Baha’is currently in Iran, but
their religion is not recognized under the Iranian Constitution, which
only recognizes Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Baha’is
in Iran are subject to discriminatory laws and regulations which violate
their right to practise their religion freely, as set out in Article
18(1) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to
which Iran is a state party. The Iranian authorities also deny Baha’is
equal rights to education, to work and to a decent standard of living by
restricting their access to employment and benefits such as pensions.
They are not permitted to meet, to hold religious ceremonies or to
practise their religion communally. Since President Ahmadinejad was
elected in 2005, dozens of Baha’is have been arrested".
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE13/023/2009/en/e9cfedb5-e819-4ad2-a7dc-226f9e57d87a/mde130232009en.html

Dunno why Ah-mad-Jihad got invited to the conference in the first place
Peter Webb
2009-04-23 12:17:25 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?
Distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.

Does that help?
B J Foster
2009-04-23 12:41:18 UTC
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Post by Peter Webb
Post by B J Foster
Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?
Distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.
Does that help?
Of course
K***@hotmail.com
2009-04-23 19:43:02 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Peter Webb
Post by B J Foster
Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?
Distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.
Does that help?
Of course
You say the distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.

What's the distance from Tel Aviv to Tehran?
B J Foster
2009-04-23 21:24:15 UTC
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Post by K***@hotmail.com
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Peter Webb
Post by B J Foster
Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?
Distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.
Does that help?
Of course
You say the distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.
What's the distance from Tel Aviv to Tehran?
Idiot. Show me *one* single instance where Israeli leaders have *ever*
threatened anyone with annihilation.
kangarooistan
2009-04-23 12:47:50 UTC
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On Apr 23, 9:17 pm, "Peter Webb"
Post by Peter Webb
Post by B J Foster
Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?
Distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.
Does that help?
If they stopped spying for the USA and Israel they would soon run out
of money and fade away , without being jailed for treason

Why dont they go live in Israel where their HQ is , google Bahai HQ

Check out the very early pictures of Bahai and WHO THEY ARE PICTURED
WITH , they were created by and for western spy agencies and its as
plain as the nose on your face they still are

kanga
=====

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=bahai+hq&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enAU291AU291&ie=UTF-8
Government Shill #2
2009-04-23 05:07:56 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
And Seon is allowed to massacure [sic] the English language.

--
Shill #2

"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
Ralph Wiggum
B J Foster
2009-04-23 10:15:18 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses without
mangling them.
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-23 11:18:29 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses without
mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
B J Foster
2009-04-23 12:42:18 UTC
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Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-04-23 15:45:31 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!

BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.

At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.

VV

VV
Peter Webb
2009-04-23 15:50:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!

BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.

*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented well
before the end of World War 2.
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-24 00:29:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented well
before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
Peter Webb
2009-04-24 01:19:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented well
before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the second
world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full of crap,
that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about the Balfour
declaration, so its off-topic.
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-24 02:32:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented well
before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the second
world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full of crap,
that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about the Balfour
declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well before
ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left. Also doesn't
Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the messiah comes? Ok
those are off topic as well...
B J Foster
2009-04-24 09:49:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not
want to >>>> > have
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there
were >>>> > some
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism
and
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism
but >>>> > to
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not
matter. >>>> > The
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
fact that millions had to lose their country, their
livelihoods, >>>> > and
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children
in >>> the
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of
East
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of
Germany as
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with
the
Post by Seon Ferguson
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say
about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
No, they didn't
Post by Seon Ferguson
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-24 12:19:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not
want to >>>> > have
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there
were >>>> > some
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism
and
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism
but >>>> > to
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not
Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not
matter. >>>> > The
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
fact that millions had to lose their country, their
livelihoods, >>>> > and
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children
in >>> the
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of
East
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of
Germany as
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with
the
Post by Seon Ferguson
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about
the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
No, they didn't
True there was still Semetic people in Israel, is that what you mean?
Peter Webb
2009-04-24 10:55:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full of
crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about the
Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being partitioned
off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate) an almost
identical process occurred with the partition of India into a large Hindu
state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In this latter
partition of India, many millions were killed, and the terrible things you
only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from their
homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...

Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on some
tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the Pakistanis stole
Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist, blah blah.

Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is being
discussed.

Why is that?
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-24 12:20:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about
the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being partitioned
off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate) an almost
identical process occurred with the partition of India into a large Hindu
state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In this latter
partition of India, many millions were killed, and the terrible things you
only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from
their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions
dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist, blah
blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just like
Israel.
Peter Webb
2009-04-24 13:00:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about
the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being partitioned
off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate) an almost
identical process occurred with the partition of India into a large Hindu
state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In this latter
partition of India, many millions were killed, and the terrible things
you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from
their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions
dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist, blah
blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.

So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a nation
but not Pakistan's ?
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 00:01:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say
about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate)
an almost identical process occurred with the partition of India into a
large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In
this latter partition of India, many millions were killed, and the
terrible things you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people
being forced from their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of
assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a nation
but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Peter Webb
2009-04-25 01:10:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate)
an almost identical process occurred with the partition of India into a
large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In
this latter partition of India, many millions were killed, and the
terrible things you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people
being forced from their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of
assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim state.
Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely Hindu state.

The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews to
live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.

The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who apply
different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or Christianity for
that matter.

You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from a
position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern history
if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I suggest you stop
and learn some history first.
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 01:20:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
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I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews
to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who apply
different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or Christianity for
that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from a
position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.
Zionism is not a race. Get over it.
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party in
America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the labour
party in Australia?
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.
Peter Webb
2009-04-25 01:47:08 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british,
just like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews
to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from a
position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.
Zionism is not a race. Get over it.
I never claimed it was.

How come there isn't some special word that you use for people that believe
that Pakistan has a right to exist?

Double standards?
Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?
What a poor analogy. The democrat party in America is not a country, to
start off with.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.
I am just curious to know why you apply different criteria to the Jewish
state of Israel than you do to the Islamic state of Pakistan, and never go
on about the injustices surrounding the creation of Pakistan.

Why do apparently only single out Jewish states for criticisms surrounding
their creation?

Do you see this is a massive double standard, its hypocrisy, and it derives
from racism?
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 05:41:43 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after
the second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was
is full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing
to say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel
well before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the
Jews left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be
re-established when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as
well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at
gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel
is being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british,
just like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews
to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from
a position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.
Zionism is not a race. Get over it.
I never claimed it was.
Calling me a racist for not blindly supporting it makes it look like it is a
race.
Post by Peter Webb
How come there isn't some special word that you use for people that
believe that Pakistan has a right to exist?
Double standards?
I believe Israel has a right to exist dumbass.
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?
What a poor analogy. The democrat party in America is not a country, to
start off with.
And the Zionist party in Israel IS NOT a country.
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.
I am just curious to know why you apply different criteria to the Jewish
state of Israel than you do to the Islamic state of Pakistan, and never go
on about the injustices surrounding the creation of Pakistan.
Why do apparently only single out Jewish states for criticisms surrounding
their creation?
Do you see this is a massive double standard, its hypocrisy, and it
derives from racism?
See there you go again. I believe Israel has the right to exist as I have
stated countless times. So eather you are an idiot or you are ignoring that
fact on purpose.
And I do not know much about Pakistan. That is not the issue.
Peter Webb
2009-04-25 08:55:44 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after
the second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it
was is full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had
nothing to say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel
well before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the
Jews left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be
re-established when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as
well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many
millions were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse
Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from their
homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go
off on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and
the Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to
exist, blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel
is being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the
british, just like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for
Jews to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from
a position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.
Zionism is not a race. Get over it.
I never claimed it was.
Calling me a racist for not blindly supporting it makes it look like it is
a race.
Post by Peter Webb
How come there isn't some special word that you use for people that
believe that Pakistan has a right to exist?
Double standards?
I believe Israel has a right to exist dumbass.
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?
What a poor analogy. The democrat party in America is not a country, to
start off with.
And the Zionist party in Israel IS NOT a country.
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.
I am just curious to know why you apply different criteria to the Jewish
state of Israel than you do to the Islamic state of Pakistan, and never
go on about the injustices surrounding the creation of Pakistan.
Why do apparently only single out Jewish states for criticisms
surrounding their creation?
Do you see this is a massive double standard, its hypocrisy, and it
derives from racism?
See there you go again. I believe Israel has the right to exist as I have
stated countless times. So eather you are an idiot or you are ignoring
that fact on purpose.
I never disputed this.

What I did point out was that you hold Israel to account to different
standards than you use for countries with different dominant religions;
Pakistan and Islam being an obvious example.
Post by Seon Ferguson
And I do not know much about Pakistan. That is not the issue.
Why DO you go on about the events surrounding the birth of Israel, but never
about the events surrounding the birth of other countries, even when these
were far more violent and had far less historical or other justification?
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 02:50:52 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british,
just like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews
to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from a
position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.
Zionism is not a race. Get over it.
DOH !
<sound of hand slapping back of head !>
Where did ANYONE, OTHER THAN YOU, make such an ignorant claim ?
Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?
STRAWMAN !
You feed it you fucking idiot.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.
You're not one to talk about "logical fallacy" sonny, when you've just
committed a couple of your own
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 05:43:17 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after
the second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was
is full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing
to say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel
well before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the
Jews left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be
re-established when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as
well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at
gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel
is being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british,
just like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews
to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from
a position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.
Zionism is not a race. Get over it.
DOH !
<sound of hand slapping back of head !>
Where did ANYONE, OTHER THAN YOU, make such an ignorant claim ?
Peter Dweeb told me I was a racist. I support Israel's right to exist and
wish the Jewish people all the best.
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?
STRAWMAN !
You feed it you fucking idiot.
Its an example. Why won't you answer the question. You call me racist for
not blindly supporting Zionism or blindly worshiping Israel.
So what if I don't?
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.
You're not one to talk about "logical fallacy" sonny, when you've just
committed a couple of your own
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 06:26:50 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after
the second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it
was is full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had
nothing to say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel
well before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the
Jews left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be
re-established when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as
well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many
millions were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse
Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from their
homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go
off on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and
the Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to
exist, blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel
is being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the
british, just like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for
Jews to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from
a position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.
Zionism is not a race. Get over it.
DOH !
<sound of hand slapping back of head !>
Where did ANYONE, OTHER THAN YOU, make such an ignorant claim ?
Peter Dweeb told me I was a racist. I support Israel's right to exist and
wish the Jewish people all the best.
He did NOT
: Learn to read before you put your foot into it again
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Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?
STRAWMAN !
You feed it you fucking idiot.
Its an example. Why won't you answer the question. You call me racist for
not blindly supporting Zionism or blindly worshiping Israel.
So what if I don't?
1) Since I did NOT call you are
"for not blindly supporting Zionism or blindly worshiping
Israel",
you can stick that stupid STRAWMAN rigght back up your ass where you
got it from in the first place
2) Don't give a ra'ts ass if you dont't "support Zionism or blindly
worship Israel"
Nobody asked you to
But on the other hand you should try engaging your brain before
posting this kind of stupid shit'
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 08:41:52 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after
the second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it
was is full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had
nothing to say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel
well before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the
Jews left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be
re-established when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as
well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition
of India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many
millions were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse
Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from their
homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go
off on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong,
and the Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right
to exist, blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel
is being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were
they at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the
british, just like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for
Jews to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of
the birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have
been exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none
about Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites
who apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it
from a position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about
modern history if you don't know anything about the partition of
India), I suggest you stop and learn some history first.
Zionism is not a race. Get over it.
DOH !
<sound of hand slapping back of head !>
Where did ANYONE, OTHER THAN YOU, make such an ignorant claim ?
Peter Dweeb told me I was a racist. I support Israel's right to exist and
wish the Jewish people all the best.
He did NOT
: Learn to read before you put your foot into it again
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Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat
party in America, or racist against Australians because you don't
support the labour party in Australia?
STRAWMAN !
You feed it you fucking idiot.
Its an example. Why won't you answer the question. You call me racist for
not blindly supporting Zionism or blindly worshiping Israel.
So what if I don't?
1) Since I did NOT call you are
"for not blindly supporting Zionism or blindly worshiping
Israel",
you can stick that stupid STRAWMAN rigght back up your ass where
you got it from in the first place
2) Don't give a ra'ts ass if you dont't "support Zionism or blindly
worship Israel"
Nobody asked you to
But on the other hand you should try engaging your brain before
posting this kind of stupid shit'
*arse
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 02:43:16 UTC
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I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate)
an almost identical process occurred with the partition of India into a
large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In
this latter partition of India, many millions were killed, and the
terrible things you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people
being forced from their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of
assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Well, at least you do admit to a great deal of ignorance
Maybe you should do more studying BEFORE you take positions that are
undermined by your ignorance
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 05:44:07 UTC
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I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Well, at least you do admit to a great deal of ignorance
Maybe you should do more studying BEFORE you take positions that are
undermined by your ignorance
I studied Israel's origins pretty clearly. You refuse to accept that hotel's
were bombed by TERRORISTS who later became prime ministers (look up the king
david hotel bombing)
Peter Webb
2009-04-25 09:02:11 UTC
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I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british,
just like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Well, at least you do admit to a great deal of ignorance
Maybe you should do more studying BEFORE you take positions that are
undermined by your ignorance
I studied Israel's origins pretty clearly. You refuse to accept that
hotel's were bombed by TERRORISTS who later became prime ministers (look
up the king david hotel bombing)
About 1 million died in terrorist actions associated with the partition of
India, about 20,000 times as many in the King David bombing.

Strangely, you never mention that, and don't even appear to know anything
about it.

Why have you "studied Israel's origins pretty closely" but know nothing
about Pakistan's?

Is there any explanation other than Israel is largely Jewish but Pakistan is
not? If there is, what is it?
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 06:27:57 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british,
just like Israel.
Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?
Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)
Well, at least you do admit to a great deal of ignorance
Maybe you should do more studying BEFORE you take positions that are
undermined by your ignorance
I studied Israel's origins pretty clearly. You refuse to accept that
hotel's were bombed by TERRORISTS who later became prime ministers (look
up the king david hotel bombing)
So what ?
Doesn't support ANY of the nonsense that you claimed so far
Just demonstrates that you're ignorant and you imagine that a superficial
veneer of knowledge gives you great insight
It doesn't
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-24 19:55:14 UTC
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I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about
the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being partitioned
off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate) an almost
identical process occurred with the partition of India into a large Hindu
state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In this latter
partition of India, many millions were killed, and the terrible things you
only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from
their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions
dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist, blah
blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Three words
Bigotry
Prejudice
Hate
Peter Webb
2009-04-24 23:28:37 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about
the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being partitioned
off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate) an almost
identical process occurred with the partition of India into a large Hindu
state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In this latter
partition of India, many millions were killed, and the terrible things
you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from
their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions
dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist, blah
blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Three words
Bigotry
Prejudice
Hate
Huh?

All of these existed in the partition of India.

The simple answer as to why people bang-on about the events surrounding the
birth of Israel but not about the events surrounding the birth of Pakistan
is simple anti-semitism.
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-24 23:42:10 UTC
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I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say
about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate)
an almost identical process occurred with the partition of India into a
large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In
this latter partition of India, many millions were killed, and the
terrible things you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people
being forced from their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of
assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Three words
Bigotry
Prejudice
Hate
Huh?
All of these existed in the partition of India.
The simple answer as to why people bang-on about the events surrounding
the birth of Israel but not about the events surrounding the birth of
Pakistan is simple anti-semitism.
I was answering your question as to why only Israel is brought up
Ironically, there was very little killing of innocents in Israel during it's
partition, unlike what happened in the Pakistan/India partition.
Peter Webb
2009-04-25 00:58:52 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate)
an almost identical process occurred with the partition of India into a
large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In
this latter partition of India, many millions were killed, and the
terrible things you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people
being forced from their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of
assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Three words
Bigotry
Prejudice
Hate
Huh?
All of these existed in the partition of India.
The simple answer as to why people bang-on about the events surrounding
the birth of Israel but not about the events surrounding the birth of
Pakistan is simple anti-semitism.
I was answering your question as to why only Israel is brought up
Ironically, there was very little killing of innocents in Israel during
it's partition, unlike what happened in the Pakistan/India partition.
My apologies.
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 02:48:28 UTC
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*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Three words
Bigotry
Prejudice
Hate
Huh?
All of these existed in the partition of India.
The simple answer as to why people bang-on about the events surrounding
the birth of Israel but not about the events surrounding the birth of
Pakistan is simple anti-semitism.
I was answering your question as to why only Israel is brought up
Ironically, there was very little killing of innocents in Israel during
it's partition, unlike what happened in the Pakistan/India partition.
My apologies.
No problemo.
Clearly my post did not make that clear.
That was my bad.
Billy Shears
2009-04-25 00:12:09 UTC
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All of these existed in the partition of India.
They existed in the "unification / independance" of Iraq in 1932 as well. As
found out when Saddam was brought down and the three original sects were at
each other's throats again.
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 01:21:46 UTC
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I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about
the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being partitioned
off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate) an almost
identical process occurred with the partition of India into a large Hindu
state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In this latter
partition of India, many millions were killed, and the terrible things
you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from
their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions
dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist, blah
blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Three words
Bigotry
Prejudice
Hate
You are the bigot who said if you were President you would nuke the gaza
strip. I do not want to nuke anyone. Everyone who has accused me of hating
anyone has always been a hypocrite like you. Look at yourself in the mirror
you hateful bigot.
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 01:46:16 UTC
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I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say
about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate)
an almost identical process occurred with the partition of India into a
large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In
this latter partition of India, many millions were killed, and the
terrible things you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people
being forced from their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of
assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Three words
Bigotry
Prejudice
Hate
You are the bigot who said if you were President you would nuke the gaza
strip.
Snce I never said it, you're just a stupid liar
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I do not want to nuke anyone. Everyone who has accused me of hating anyone
has always been a hypocrite like you. Look at yourself in the mirror you
hateful bigot.
LOL
Practice what you tell others to do
Better yet, start by not lying anymore.
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 05:55:33 UTC
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I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.
That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?
As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.
Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...
You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate)
an almost identical process occurred with the partition of India into a
large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In
this latter partition of India, many millions were killed, and the
terrible things you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people
being forced from their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of
assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?
Three words
Bigotry
Prejudice
Hate
You are the bigot who said if you were President you would nuke the gaza
strip.
Snce I never said it, you're just a stupid liar
I consider them the equivalent of a dog that is in the final stage of
Post by SaPeIsMa
rabies. The ONLY thing you can do is put them out of their misery\ Were I
in a position to do so, I would explode a Neutron bomb over the area and
be done with them once and for all. And we'd finally have some peace and
quiet in the Middle-East
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/browse_thread/thread/4ca82e51bb62075/d86bd5f0fdf53d20

Sound familiar? Liar.
Billy Shears
2009-04-25 01:54:01 UTC
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You are the bigot who said if you were President you would nuke the gaza
strip. I do not want to nuke anyone. Everyone who has accused me of hating
anyone has always been a hypocrite like you. Look at yourself in the mirror
you hateful bigot.
Right wing toads are great at projecting their deficienies on others.

Now a days, Fascism is Left Wing according to them, when Fascism is defined as
a right wing ethic. Racism? They accuse the left of being racist
regualarly, but if you read these newsgroups, you'll soon see that it's the
opposite. And they never speak out against a fellow conservative who makes a
racist remark, though it happens like clock work all the time.

Opressing civil rights? They say that the left is into opression of civil
rights. But they're the ones who dream up nonsense about the ACLU, condemning
it like it was their enemy. And they never spoke out about The Patriot Act
or wire tapping without warrants. The right pretends to be suspicious of
government, but only if it's not the one they voted for. They weren't
bitching about how Bush cracked down on freedoms, some hate what LBJ did with
his litany of civil rights legislation in the 1960's.

Say? When the right wing "michigan militias" of the 1990's were holding camps
and playing weekend warrior to defend America from Clinton, where were they
when Bush and the Republicans pulled out the Patriot Act?

Ask Blackwater Inc.

The right are a bunch of selfish, self serving hypocrites.
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 03:07:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billy Shears
Post by Seon Ferguson
You are the bigot who said if you were President you would nuke the gaza
strip. I do not want to nuke anyone. Everyone who has accused me of hating
anyone has always been a hypocrite like you. Look at yourself in the mirror
you hateful bigot.
Right wing toads are great at projecting their deficienies on others.
The problem with the left wing is that since they really believe in nothing,
they will actually swallow any kind of lie without verification.
This is typically visible when they feed on the shit some other idiot like
them spouts
Case in point above..

Actually, you make me think of snails following each other's trails sucking
up the mucus...
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 05:58:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billy Shears
Post by Seon Ferguson
You are the bigot who said if you were President you would nuke the gaza
strip. I do not want to nuke anyone. Everyone who has accused me of hating
anyone has always been a hypocrite like you. Look at yourself in the mirror
you hateful bigot.
Right wing toads are great at projecting their deficienies on others.
Now a days, Fascism is Left Wing according to them, when Fascism is defined as
a right wing ethic. Racism? They accuse the left of being racist
regualarly, but if you read these newsgroups, you'll soon see that it's the
opposite. And they never speak out against a fellow conservative who makes a
racist remark, though it happens like clock work all the time.
Opressing civil rights? They say that the left is into opression of civil
rights. But they're the ones who dream up nonsense about the ACLU, condemning
it like it was their enemy. And they never spoke out about The Patriot Act
or wire tapping without warrants. The right pretends to be suspicious of
government, but only if it's not the one they voted for. They weren't
bitching about how Bush cracked down on freedoms, some hate what LBJ did with
his litany of civil rights legislation in the 1960's.
Say? When the right wing "michigan militias" of the 1990's were holding camps
and playing weekend warrior to defend America from Clinton, where were they
when Bush and the Republicans pulled out the Patriot Act?
Ask Blackwater Inc.
The right are a bunch of selfish, self serving hypocrites.
If you think I am right wing you obviously havn't been paying attention.
B J Foster
2009-04-23 21:36:15 UTC
Permalink
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which makes
his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.

In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly, most
of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed instructions
from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in 1948. Fourth, those
who ignored the instructions and stayed became Israeli *citizens* with
the same rights as anyone else. Fifth, there is no *such* *thing* as
Palestine. If there is, then Jordan (aka Trans-Jordan) is East
Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to Israel date back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
VV
VV
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-24 00:29:53 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which makes
his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly, most
of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed instructions from
their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in 1948. Fourth, those who
ignored the instructions and stayed became Israeli *citizens* with the
same rights as anyone else. Fifth, there is no *such* *thing* as
Palestine. If there is, then Jordan (aka Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine.
Sixth, Israeli claims to Israel date back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
B J Foster
2009-04-24 09:55:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly,
most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed
instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in 1948.
Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and stayed became Israeli
*citizens* with the same rights as anyone else. Fifth, there is no
*such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is, then Jordan (aka
Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to Israel date
back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had already
fled.[46]

The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel
Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled areas,
such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The Deir Yassin
massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours that followed it,
helped spread fear and panic among the Palestinians.

Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the
most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes that
not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled the city
before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but another
5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting while the
rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost certainly on the
instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-24 12:21:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which makes
his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly, most
of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed instructions
from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in 1948. Fourth, those
who ignored the instructions and stayed became Israeli *citizens* with
the same rights as anyone else. Fifth, there is no *such* *thing* as
Palestine. If there is, then Jordan (aka Trans-Jordan) is East
Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to Israel date back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of Independence,
nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had already fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel Aviv
area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled areas, such as
Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The Deir Yassin massacre in
early April, and the exaggerated rumours that followed it, helped spread
fear and panic among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the most
notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes that not only
had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled the city before the
final battle was joined in late April 1948, but another 5,000–15,000 left
apparently voluntarily during the fighting while the rest, some
15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost certainly on the instructions
of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
Peter Webb
2009-04-24 13:03:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which makes
his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly,
most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed
instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in 1948.
Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and stayed became Israeli
*citizens* with the same rights as anyone else. Fifth, there is no
*such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is, then Jordan (aka
Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to Israel date
back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had already
fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel Aviv
area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled areas, such
as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The Deir Yassin
massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours that followed it,
helped spread fear and panic among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the most
notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes that not
only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled the city
before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but another
5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting while the
rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost certainly on the
instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They now live in a democratic and prosperous nation.
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-24 19:53:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which makes
his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly,
most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed
instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in 1948.
Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and stayed became Israeli
*citizens* with the same rights as anyone else. Fifth, there is no
*such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is, then Jordan (aka
Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to Israel date
back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had already
fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel Aviv
area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled areas, such
as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The Deir Yassin
massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours that followed it,
helped spread fear and panic among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the most
notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes that not
only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled the city
before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but another
5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting while the
rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost certainly on the
instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 00:02:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly,
most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed
instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in 1948.
Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and stayed became Israeli
*citizens* with the same rights as anyone else. Fifth, there is no
*such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is, then Jordan (aka
Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to Israel date
back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had already
fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel
Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled areas,
such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The Deir Yassin
massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours that followed it,
helped spread fear and panic among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the
most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes that
not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled the city
before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but another
5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting while the
rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost certainly on the
instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find it
hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would have
allowed you to stay in them.
Billy Shears
2009-04-25 00:15:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find it
hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would have
allowed you to stay in them.
Hebron is 50 / 50 Muslim and Jew, but was still the primary target of Hamas
rockets. They get along in that city quite well, from what I've been told by
correspondents who report from there.
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 01:22:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billy Shears
Post by Seon Ferguson
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find it
hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would have
allowed you to stay in them.
Hebron is 50 / 50 Muslim and Jew, but was still the primary target of Hamas
rockets. They get along in that city quite well, from what I've been told by
correspondents who report from there.
Hamas is about as pro Arab as Zionisim is being pro Jew. Both are a
disgrace.
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 02:45:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Billy Shears
Post by Seon Ferguson
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find it
hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would have
allowed you to stay in them.
Hebron is 50 / 50 Muslim and Jew, but was still the primary target of Hamas
rockets. They get along in that city quite well, from what I've been told by
correspondents who report from there.
Hamas is about as pro Arab as Zionisim is being pro Jew. Both are a
disgrace.
Actually Zionism is far more "pro-Jew" than Hamas is "pro-Arab"
The difference is that Zionism does not have a problem with living alongside
the Arabs
Too bad that opposite can NOT be said of most Arabs particularly such as
Hamas and their cousins.under different names
Peter Webb
2009-04-25 01:11:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly,
most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed
instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in
1948. Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and stayed became
Israeli *citizens* with the same rights as anyone else. Fifth, there
is no *such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is, then Jordan (aka
Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to Israel date
back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had
already fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel
Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled areas,
such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The Deir Yassin
massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours that followed it,
helped spread fear and panic among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the
most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes that
not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled the
city before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but another
5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting while the
rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost certainly on
the instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find it
hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would have
allowed you to stay in them.
Why no questions about the birth of Pakistan?

Only interested in modern history if you can try and use it to support an
anti-Jewish agenda?
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 01:23:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by
Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly,
most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed
instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in
1948. Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and stayed became
Israeli *citizens* with the same rights as anyone else. Fifth, there
is no *such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is, then Jordan (aka
Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to Israel
date back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had
already fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel
Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled
areas, such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The Deir
Yassin massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours that
followed it, helped spread fear and panic among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the
most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes that
not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled the
city before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but
another 5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting
while the rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost
certainly on the instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find it
hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would have
allowed you to stay in them.
Why no questions about the birth of Pakistan?
Only interested in modern history if you can try and use it to support an
anti-Jewish agenda?
Yet no one would say you are anti American if you do not support the
democrats or anti Australian if you do not support labour. Why is that PC
thug?
Peter Webb
2009-04-25 01:49:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by
Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly,
most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed
instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in
1948. Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and stayed became
Israeli *citizens* with the same rights as anyone else. Fifth,
there is no *such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is, then Jordan
(aka Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to
Israel date back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had
already fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel
Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled
areas, such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The
Deir Yassin massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours that
followed it, helped spread fear and panic among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the
most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes
that not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled
the city before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but
another 5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting
while the rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost
certainly on the instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find it
hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would have
allowed you to stay in them.
Why no questions about the birth of Pakistan?
Only interested in modern history if you can try and use it to support an
anti-Jewish agenda?
Yet no one would say you are anti American if you do not support the
democrats or anti Australian if you do not support labour. Why is that PC
thug?
What has this to do with your criticisms of the birth of Israel, exactly?

The Democrat party is not a country.

Why do you only go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth, but not
Pakistan's? Is the difference purely that one involves Jews and the other
doesn't? Or have you got some other reason why you single out Israel in this
manner?
Peter Webb
2009-04-25 09:07:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land.
Secondly, most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they
followed instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to
*leave* in 1948. Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and
stayed became Israeli *citizens* with the same rights as anyone
else. Fifth, there is no *such* *thing* as Palestine. If there
is, then Jordan (aka Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth,
Israeli claims to Israel date back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had
already fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem –
Tel Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish
controlled areas, such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal
region. The Deir Yassin massacre in early April, and the
exaggerated rumours that followed it, helped spread fear and panic
among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of
the most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh
writes that not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa
community fled the city before the final battle was joined in late
April 1948, but another 5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily
during the fighting while the rest, some 15,000–25,000, were
ordered to leave, almost certainly on the instructions of the Arab
Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find
it hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would
have allowed you to stay in them.
Why no questions about the birth of Pakistan?
Only interested in modern history if you can try and use it to support
an anti-Jewish agenda?
Yet no one would say you are anti American if you do not support the
democrats or anti Australian if you do not support labour. Why is that
PC thug?
What has this to do with your criticisms of the birth of Israel, exactly?
The Democrat party is not a country.
Why do you only go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth, but not
Pakistan's? Is the difference purely that one involves Jews and the other
doesn't? Or have you got some other reason why you single out Israel in
this manner?
I told you why. I can not support terrorism of any sort and can not deny
the facts leading up to modern Israel's creation. However as I said that
doesn't change the fact that Israel exists and there is nothing anyone can
do to change that.
Again, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth, but not
other countries such as Pakistan?

Is there any explanation other than Israel is Jewish, and Pakistan is not?
If there is, what is it?
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 06:07:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land.
Secondly, most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they
followed instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to
*leave* in 1948. Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and
stayed became Israeli *citizens* with the same rights as anyone
else. Fifth, there is no *such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is,
then Jordan (aka Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli
claims to Israel date back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had
already fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel
Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled
areas, such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The
Deir Yassin massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours
that followed it, helped spread fear and panic among the
Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the
most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes
that not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled
the city before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but
another 5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting
while the rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost
certainly on the instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find
it hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would
have allowed you to stay in them.
Why no questions about the birth of Pakistan?
Only interested in modern history if you can try and use it to support
an anti-Jewish agenda?
Yet no one would say you are anti American if you do not support the
democrats or anti Australian if you do not support labour. Why is that PC
thug?
What has this to do with your criticisms of the birth of Israel, exactly?
The Democrat party is not a country.
Why do you only go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth, but not
Pakistan's? Is the difference purely that one involves Jews and the other
doesn't? Or have you got some other reason why you single out Israel in
this manner?
I told you why. I can not support terrorism of any sort and can not deny the
facts leading up to modern Israel's creation. However as I said that doesn't
change the fact that Israel exists and there is nothing anyone can do to
change that.
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 13:25:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Webb
Why do you only go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth, but not
Pakistan's? Is the difference purely that one involves Jews and the other
doesn't? Or have you got some other reason why you single out Israel in
this manner?
I told you why. I can not support terrorism of any sort and can not deny
the facts leading up to modern Israel's creation. However as I said that
doesn't change the fact that Israel exists and there is nothing anyone can
do to change that.
Too bad that you're so selective of which terrorism (of any sort) you rail
against
That makes your claim a lie
No cred bubby

SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 02:47:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by
Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly,
most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed
instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in
1948. Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and stayed became
Israeli *citizens* with the same rights as anyone else. Fifth,
there is no *such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is, then Jordan
(aka Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to
Israel date back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had
already fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel
Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled
areas, such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The
Deir Yassin massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours that
followed it, helped spread fear and panic among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the
most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes
that not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled
the city before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but
another 5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting
while the rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost
certainly on the instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find it
hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would have
allowed you to stay in them.
Why no questions about the birth of Pakistan?
Only interested in modern history if you can try and use it to support an
anti-Jewish agenda?
Yet no one would say you are anti American if you do not support the
democrats or anti Australian if you do not support labour. Why is that PC
thug?
Because you're too stupid to understand how stupid that comparison is, you
self-admitted ignoramus
Maybe you should educate yourself
But that would upset your anti-Jew, Anti-Zionism, Anti Israel, applecart
of ignorance and prejudice.
Peter Webb
2009-04-25 09:05:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land.
Secondly, most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they
followed instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to
*leave* in 1948. Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and
stayed became Israeli *citizens* with the same rights as anyone
else. Fifth, there is no *such* *thing* as Palestine. If there
is, then Jordan (aka Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth,
Israeli claims to Israel date back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had
already fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem –
Tel Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish
controlled areas, such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal
region. The Deir Yassin massacre in early April, and the
exaggerated rumours that followed it, helped spread fear and panic
among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of
the most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh
writes that not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa
community fled the city before the final battle was joined in late
April 1948, but another 5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily
during the fighting while the rest, some 15,000–25,000, were
ordered to leave, almost certainly on the instructions of the Arab
Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find
it hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would
have allowed you to stay in them.
Why no questions about the birth of Pakistan?
Only interested in modern history if you can try and use it to support
an anti-Jewish agenda?
Yet no one would say you are anti American if you do not support the
democrats or anti Australian if you do not support labour. Why is that
PC thug?
Because you're too stupid to understand how stupid that comparison is,
you self-admitted ignoramus
Maybe you should educate yourself
But that would upset your anti-Jew, Anti-Zionism, Anti Israel,
applecart of ignorance and prejudice.
Again Zionisim is a political party. I am not against Jews or even israel.
But that doesn't matter to PC thugs like you. OOh he criticised Israel he
must be racist.
Criticising Israel does not make you a racist.

Using different standard in that criticism than you apply to other countries
does make you a racist.

HTH
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-25 06:06:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land.
Secondly, most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they
followed instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to
*leave* in 1948. Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and
stayed became Israeli *citizens* with the same rights as anyone
else. Fifth, there is no *such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is,
then Jordan (aka Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli
claims to Israel date back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had
already fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel
Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled
areas, such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The
Deir Yassin massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours
that followed it, helped spread fear and panic among the
Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the
most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes
that not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled
the city before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but
another 5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting
while the rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost
certainly on the instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find
it hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would
have allowed you to stay in them.
Why no questions about the birth of Pakistan?
Only interested in modern history if you can try and use it to support
an anti-Jewish agenda?
Yet no one would say you are anti American if you do not support the
democrats or anti Australian if you do not support labour. Why is that PC
thug?
Because you're too stupid to understand how stupid that comparison is, you
self-admitted ignoramus
Maybe you should educate yourself
But that would upset your anti-Jew, Anti-Zionism, Anti Israel,
applecart of ignorance and prejudice.
Again Zionisim is a political party. I am not against Jews or even israel.
But that doesn't matter to PC thugs like you. OOh he criticised Israel he
must be racist.
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 13:23:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by SaPeIsMa
Because you're too stupid to understand how stupid that comparison is,
you self-admitted ignoramus
Maybe you should educate yourself
But that would upset your anti-Jew, Anti-Zionism, Anti Israel,
applecart of ignorance and prejudice.
Again Zionisim is a political party. I am not against Jews or even israel.
But that doesn't matter to PC thugs like you. OOh he criticised Israel he
must be racist.
LOL
"Zionism is a political party"
YOU MORON !
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 02:43:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe,
In the first place he *denied* that there was a holocaust - which
makes his whole proposition idiotic. So where does that leave you?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
We have already been into this.
In the first instance, the Zionists *purchased* the land. Secondly,
most of the inhabitants were *tenants*. Third, they followed
instructions from their Arab landlords and masters to *leave* in
1948. Fourth, those who ignored the instructions and stayed became
Israeli *citizens* with the same rights as anyone else. Fifth, there
is no *such* *thing* as Palestine. If there is, then Jordan (aka
Trans-Jordan) is East Palestine. Sixth, Israeli claims to Israel date
back 5,000 years.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.
The Palestinians took themselves to another place.
Right and they happily left their homes and let the Zionists take over...
"By May 1, 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of
Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (appoximately 25%) had
already fled.[46]
The fighting in these months was concentrated in the Jerusalem – Tel
Aviv area and most depopulations took place in Jewish controlled areas,
such as Tiberius, Haifa, Jaffa and the coastal region. The Deir Yassin
massacre in early April, and the exaggerated rumours that followed it,
helped spread fear and panic among the Palestinians.
Even so, Palestinians fled the city of Haifa en masse, in one of the
most notable flights of this stage. Historian Efraim Karsh writes that
not only had half of the Arab community in Haifa community fled the
city before the final battle was joined in late April 1948, but another
5,000–15,000 left apparently voluntarily during the fighting while the
rest, some 15,000–25,000, were ordered to leave, almost certainly on
the instructions of the Arab Higher Committee"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus#Second_Phase_of_the_Exodus.2C_April_1948_.E2.80.93_June_1948
And they were right to flee. What happend to the Arab's who stayed?
They and their descendants are still living in Israel AS CITIZENS of Israel
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something? I find it
hard to believe you would give up your home if the Zionists would have
allowed you to stay in them.
As you admitted elsewhere, your ignorant on the matter
Maybe you should study up BEFORE you spout more nonsense.
Government Shill #2
2009-04-25 08:08:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something?
Again?

It's massacred, not massacured! What does that mean? Massacured? A lot of
people were cured?

For that matter, how can some of the people even have been massacred?
Massacred means:

mas·sa·cre [mas-uh-ker]
–noun
1. the unnecessary, indiscriminate killing of a large number of human
beings or animals, as in barbarous warfare or persecution or for revenge or
plunder.
2. a general slaughter, as of persons or animals: the massacre of
millions during the war.
3. Informal. a crushing defeat, esp. in sports.
–verb (used with object)
4. to kill unnecessarily and indiscriminately, esp. a large number of
persons.
5. Informal. to defeat decisively, esp. in sports.



Were lots, large numbers, millions... killed?


--
Shill #2

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
SaPeIsMa
2009-04-25 13:26:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Government Shill #2
Post by Seon Ferguson
Weren't some of the people who stayed massacured or something?
Again?
It's massacred, not massacured! What does that mean? Massacured? A lot of
people were cured?
For that matter, how can some of the people even have been massacred?
Didn't you know, they had a serious case of "massa", and the incident "cured
them"..
Post by Government Shill #2
mas·sa·cre [mas-uh-ker]
-noun
1. the unnecessary, indiscriminate killing of a large number of human
beings or animals, as in barbarous warfare or persecution or for revenge or
plunder.
2. a general slaughter, as of persons or animals: the massacre of
millions during the war.
3. Informal. a crushing defeat, esp. in sports.
-verb (used with object)
4. to kill unnecessarily and indiscriminately, esp. a large number of
persons.
5. Informal. to defeat decisively, esp. in sports.
Were lots, large numbers, millions... killed?
--
Shill #2
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-24 00:28:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses without
mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
And I see you have fallen for the Zionist propaganda that they just "Happily
allowed the Zionists to move in" by the way if you paid attention to my
posts you would see I had no idea he said that. Plus I think Muhamud I'm a
nutjob is a tyrant who oppresses Bahai's.
Peter Webb
2009-04-24 01:16:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
And I see you have fallen for the Zionist propaganda that they just
"Happily allowed the Zionists to move in" by the way if you paid attention
to my posts you would see I had no idea he said that. Plus I think Muhamud
I'm a nutjob is a tyrant who oppresses Bahai's.
He didn't say 'that they just "Happily allowed the Zionists to move in" ',
and nor as far as I know does any Zionist. You just invented that statement
which you provided in quotes, and your assertion that anybody (Zionist or
otherwise) ever said it is a lie.

Unless you have some kind of attribution for your quote, its not a quote,
and nor does it reflect the position of Zionists. It is, as I said, an
invention and hence a lie.
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-24 02:33:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Webb
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.
I just reply to people's posts.
Post by B J Foster
Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
What a silly proposition.
It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.
I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda
And I see you have fallen for the Zionist propaganda that they just
"Happily allowed the Zionists to move in" by the way if you paid
attention to my posts you would see I had no idea he said that. Plus I
think Muhamud I'm a nutjob is a tyrant who oppresses Bahai's.
He didn't say 'that they just "Happily allowed the Zionists to move in" ',
and nor as far as I know does any Zionist. You just invented that
statement which you provided in quotes, and your assertion that anybody
(Zionist or otherwise) ever said it is a lie.
Unless you have some kind of attribution for your quote, its not a quote,
and nor does it reflect the position of Zionists. It is, as I said, an
invention and hence a lie.
Ok I did add happily but come on if you even studied a little history on the
subject you would know people were forced out of their homes.
Of course that doesn't change the fact that Israel has a right to exist
today and nothing will ever change that. But we need to focus on the facts.
Greg Carr
2009-04-24 00:58:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Germany isn't mentioned in the Bible as the land of David etc.
----------------------------------------------------------



The following is my sig file updated as of 8th of Nisan, 5769

Happy Birkat Hachamah Only once every 28 years.

We are awaiting the return of our JHVH in the flesh or his Son. His Son Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, was resurrected and walked the earth for awhile then ascended unto Heaven. We await the Third Coming not the Second.

Scottish Quaker Robert Barclay-"The weighty Truths of God were neglected, and, as it were, went into Desuetude. ...

Who will be the last Coalition soldier to be maimed in Iraq?

Canadian troops out of Afghanistan and into Darfur.http://www.amnesty.ca/instantkarma/petition.php

Good luck to anyone trying to learn Hebrew. I am looking for a Hebrew-Gregorian calendar in both Hebrew and English lettering.

I am looking for my missing automobile. Left in the care of Low's Tire (Firestone) on King George Hwy which has since gone out of business. A man who claimed to be a tow truck driver named Jerry (sounded Black) called me and said he had it
but when I called him back he denied it. JVD-298 "89 Plymouth Reliant white with red interior. Devellis in lettering on the rear trunk. Contact me by email or the GRC if you are one of those ppl. Am looking for the address of Dave Reynolds and any info about him. He used to run Low's Tires and since he refuses to answer his email ***@telus.net I can only assume he is the person who stole my vehicle and the contents in it. I have talked to the new owners and they claim to know nothing.
3P3BK41D9KT921716 is the vin number. Dave Reynolds still has a valid email ***@telus.net but refuses to return my inquiries.Any info about this thief is appreciated.

I am also looking for various books and CD's that I have discovered missing. All are marked Greg Carr on the inside cover or somewhere in the CD booklet. $5 reward for each CD and for each book. Will pay $200 for info regarding how they disappeared because I honestly don't know.

u8m854p98su072q3l8chiss3t0lcr0­***@4ax.com is a post of mine about the liar and police agent Gordon Sauck. It has been censored by Google Groups.

Jonathon Gregory and Craig Wong are thieves and liars and smokers.They live at 344 E.Hastings St. They call and lie to Vancouver Police and the Landlord-Tenancy Branch.

Mike Poirier is HA and works at DPS at 817 Denman St. This company is such a bunch of liars that besides stealing from ppl they claim to be 100% Cdn owned on their signs when in fact they are owned by a rich man in Seattle. You anti-semitic types might like to know the man is a Jew. Poirier is a liar and perjurer and he attacks ppl for no reason and then calls Vancouver Police if he loses.

DPS 817 Denman St
V6G 2L7 Canada
(604) 681-8797
(604) 684-0329 Fax
***@diamondparking.com

Mailing Address
P.O. Box 3055
Vancouver, BC V6B 3X5 Canada
Canada

Mike Poirier – Regional Vice President of Operations
***@diamondparking.com

He lives in Burnaby. Caucasian 5"8 in platform shoes.

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This is just a line I typed to see if you would read it :-)
Seon Ferguson
2009-04-24 02:34:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Greg Carr
Post by Seon Ferguson
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Germany isn't mentioned in the Bible as the land of David etc.
----------------------------------------------------------
The Bible also says that Israel will be re established when the messiah
comes.
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-04-22 16:39:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe.  Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution."  The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated.  Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination?  Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter.  The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
What Ahmadinejad said:

http://votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=1379

"Following World War II, they resorted to military aggression to make
an entire nation homeless under the pretext of Jewish suffering and
they sent migrants from Europe, the United States and other parts of
the world in order to establish a totally racist government in
occupied Palestine. And, in fact, in compensation for the dire
consequences of racism in Europe, they helped bring to power the most
cruel and repressive racist regime in Palestine.

The Security Council helped stabilize the occupying regime and
supported it in the past 60 years giving them a free hand to commit
all sorts of atrocities. It is all the more regrettable that a number
of Western governments and the United States have committed themselves
to defending those racist perpetrators of genocide while the awakened-
conscience and free-minded people of the world condemn aggression,
brutalities and the bombardment of civilians in Gaza. The supporters
of Israel have always been either supportive or silent against the
crimes."

ViejoVizcacha
B J Foster
2009-04-22 22:10:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
http://votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=1379
"Following World War II, they resorted to military aggression to make
an entire nation homeless under the pretext of Jewish suffering and
they sent migrants from Europe, the United States and other parts of
the world in order to establish a totally racist government in
occupied Palestine. And, in fact, in compensation for the dire
consequences of racism in Europe, they helped bring to power the most
cruel and repressive racist regime in Palestine.
The Security Council helped stabilize the occupying regime and
supported it in the past 60 years giving them a free hand to commit
all sorts of atrocities. It is all the more regrettable that a number
of Western governments and the United States have committed themselves
to defending those racist perpetrators of genocide while the awakened-
conscience and free-minded people of the world condemn aggression,
brutalities and the bombardment of civilians in Gaza. The supporters
of Israel have always been either supportive or silent against the
crimes."
ViejoVizcacha
He is a liar.

Q. In which middle-eastern state do Arab women enjoy full equal rights
before the law?
A. Israel

Says it all really.
Greg Carr
2009-04-23 00:16:19 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:39:01 -0700 (PDT), Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe.  Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution."  The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated.  Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination?  Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter.  The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Rubbish
http://votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=1379
"Following World War II, they resorted to military aggression to make
an entire nation homeless under the pretext of Jewish suffering and
they sent migrants from Europe, the United States and other parts of
the world in order to establish a totally racist government in
occupied Palestine. And, in fact, in compensation for the dire
consequences of racism in Europe, they helped bring to power the most
cruel and repressive racist regime in Palestine.
The Security Council helped stabilize the occupying regime and
supported it in the past 60 years giving them a free hand to commit
all sorts of atrocities. It is all the more regrettable that a number
of Western governments and the United States have committed themselves
to defending those racist perpetrators of genocide while the awakened-
conscience and free-minded people of the world condemn aggression,
brutalities and the bombardment of civilians in Gaza. The supporters
of Israel have always been either supportive or silent against the
crimes."
ViejoVizcacha
How can it be a genocide if the population being genocided keeps
increasing? Are you going to claim that the Israeli's are incompetent
at this genocide or admit the truth? There is no genocide in the
former Trans-Jordon.
----------------------------------------------------------



The following is my sig file updated as of 8th of Nisan, 5769

Happy Birkat Hachamah Only once every 28 years.

We are awaiting the return of our JHVH in the flesh or his Son. His Son Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, was resurrected and walked the earth for awhile then ascended unto Heaven. We await the Third Coming not the Second.

Scottish Quaker Robert Barclay-"The weighty Truths of God were neglected, and, as it were, went into Desuetude. ...

Who will be the last Coalition soldier to be maimed in Iraq?

Canadian troops out of Afghanistan and into Darfur.http://www.amnesty.ca/instantkarma/petition.php

Good luck to anyone trying to learn Hebrew. I am looking for a Hebrew-Gregorian calendar in both Hebrew and English lettering.

I am looking for my missing automobile. Left in the care of Low's Tire (Firestone) on King George Hwy which has since gone out of business. A man who claimed to be a tow truck driver named Jerry (sounded Black) called me and said he had it
but when I called him back he denied it. JVD-298 "89 Plymouth Reliant white with red interior. Devellis in lettering on the rear trunk. Contact me by email or the GRC if you are one of those ppl. Am looking for the address of Dave Reynolds and any info about him. He used to run Low's Tires and since he refuses to answer his email ***@telus.net I can only assume he is the person who stole my vehicle and the contents in it. I have talked to the new owners and they claim to know nothing.
3P3BK41D9KT921716 is the vin number. Dave Reynolds still has a valid email ***@telus.net but refuses to return my inquiries.Any info about this thief is appreciated.

I am also looking for various books and CD's that I have discovered missing. All are marked Greg Carr on the inside cover or somewhere in the CD booklet. $5 reward for each CD and for each book. Will pay $200 for info regarding how they disappeared because I honestly don't know.

u8m854p98su072q3l8chiss3t0lcr0­***@4ax.com is a post of mine about the liar and police agent Gordon Sauck. It has been censored by Google Groups.

Jonathon Gregory and Craig Wong are thieves and liars and smokers.They live at 344 E.Hastings St. They call and lie to Vancouver Police and the Landlord-Tenancy Branch.

Mike Poirier is HA and works at DPS at 817 Denman St. This company is such a bunch of liars that besides stealing from ppl they claim to be 100% Cdn owned on their signs when in fact they are owned by a rich man in Seattle. You anti-semitic types might like to know the man is a Jew. Poirier is a liar and perjurer and he attacks ppl for no reason and then calls Vancouver Police if he loses.

DPS 817 Denman St
V6G 2L7 Canada
(604) 681-8797
(604) 684-0329 Fax
***@diamondparking.com

Mailing Address
P.O. Box 3055
Vancouver, BC V6B 3X5 Canada
Canada

Mike Poirier – Regional Vice President of Operations
***@diamondparking.com

He lives in Burnaby. Caucasian 5"8 in platform shoes.

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This is just a line I typed to see if you would read it :-)
a***@reborn.com
2009-04-22 19:53:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
Ahmadinejad's full speech(censored by Canada's Zionist terrorist
controlled media)

http://ziofascism.net/blog/?p=956
count 2
2009-04-22 20:51:53 UTC
Permalink
Hitler didn't just kill Jews also Jehovah Witnesses and Gypsies. Jews
came from Israel a lot where killed there in Roman times and after
Romans left then Arabs moved into the area. President After my dinner
jacket is a racist Jew hater and would nuke Israel if he could.
Saddam also has Nazi connections read about them on my site
http://xymalf.co.uk/links.htm
Фитил и Кибрит
2009-04-22 21:01:57 UTC
Permalink
Hitler didn't just kill Jews also Jehovah Witnesses and Gypsies.  Jews
Ok-ok, is it all right if we build a Gypsy state next to Israel?
We have to solve their problem too, urgently!
came from Israel a lot where killed there in Roman times and after
Romans left then Arabs moved into the area.  President After my dinner
jacket is a racist Jew hater and would nuke Israel if he could.
Saddam also has Nazi connections read about them on my sitehttp://xymalf.co.uk/links.htm
B J Foster
2009-04-22 22:16:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by count 2
Hitler didn't just kill Jews also Jehovah Witnesses and Gypsies. Jews
came from Israel a lot where killed there in Roman times and after
Romans left then Arabs moved into the area. President After my dinner
jacket is a racist Jew hater and would nuke Israel if he could.
Saddam also has Nazi connections read about them on my site
http://xymalf.co.uk/links.htm
It's a tradition around those parts:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

Yassir Arafat was a member of the Al Husseini family on his mother's
side - these are the Palestinian landlords who screwed up by *selling*
their land for next to nothing to Zionists and they have been attempting
to dishonestly & violently steal it back ever since. Ah-mad-Jihad is Der
Fuhrer. Who funds and trains Hamas?
kangarooistan
2009-04-23 07:02:52 UTC
Permalink
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe.  Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution."  The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated.  Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination?  Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter.  The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
President Ahmadinejad always tells the truth

That is why the jews and christians hate him so much

They KNOW he is right

Same as online when you tell the truth , every fool in the world
thinks they can silence you and that will save them from facing
justice

NOTHING can save israel

its only a matter of time till western taxpayers discover what jews
have done to western economy and every jew on earth will pay a fear
full price

You can never let jews near money

kanga
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B J Foster
2009-04-23 10:17:37 UTC
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Post by kangarooistan
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
President Ahmadinejad always tells the truth
Hizbollah agrees with you
K***@hotmail.com
2009-04-23 19:33:15 UTC
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There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe.  Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution."  The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated.  Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination?  Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter.  The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
There is a serious flaw in what VV posts ... I'll exaggerate to make
the point.

He says the jews were innocent victims of Germany but then became
villainous persecutors of the Palestinians. Some inconsistency.

I say the jews were, in both situations, deceitful exploiters for
their own gains. No inconsistency.

Just to be clear there was no plan nor an extermination of the jews
but there is a plan to take Palestine.
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-04-23 20:23:01 UTC
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Post by K***@hotmail.com
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe.  Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution."  The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated.  Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination?  Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter.  The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
There is a serious flaw in what VV posts ... I'll exaggerate to make
the point.
He says the jews were innocent victims of Germany but then became
villainous persecutors of the Palestinians. Some inconsistency.
I say the jews were, in both situations, deceitful exploiters for
their own gains. No inconsistency.
Just to be clear there was no plan nor an extermination of the jews
but there is a plan to take Palestine.
I know that Nazis and Sionists want us to equate Israel 2009 and Jews
in 1943. Not in my book. There is no inconsistency, since some Jews
were the victims in WWII, and some Jews are the victimizers in the
Israeli/Palestinians conflict.

Russians were the victims of Hitler's invasion, and are the oppressors
of Chechenya. Latvians were oppressed by Russians, and now they
discriminate against Russians. Catholics were discriminated in the UK
for centuries, and Catholics were oppressing and persecuting other
Christians for centuries too. Germans committed horrible crimes in
WWII, and horrible crimes were committed against Germans in that same
war.

It would do you good to learn a bit about history. The one important
thing to learn is that if we do not stop the violence soon, the
oppressed will grow up to become the oppressors.

ViejoVizcacha
K***@hotmail.com
2009-04-23 21:01:36 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
I know that Nazis and Sionists want us to equate Israel 2009 and Jews
in 1943.  Not in my book.   There is no inconsistency, since some Jews
were the victims in WWII, and some Jews are the victimizers in the
Israeli/Palestinians conflict.
There is no balance of evidence that the jews suffered any more or
less than any other identifiabble group during WWII.

The Holocaust is a media driven phenomenon that gained traction after
Israel's 1967 wars of expansion. Please consult the memoirs of
Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin to see that The Holocaust was not
considered an event during the years they wrote their works.

The meager evidence of WWII Germany's plans for the jews points to
deportation to perhaps Madagascar after the end of the war. The German
leadership was too occupied prosecuting the war to spend resources on
the jewish problem.

There is a whack of evidence that Israel's post war activity fits the
description of Ahmadinajad
B J Foster
2009-04-23 21:42:33 UTC
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Post by K***@hotmail.com
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV
There is a serious flaw in what VV posts ... I'll exaggerate to make
the point.
He says the jews were innocent victims of Germany but then became
villainous persecutors of the Palestinians. Some inconsistency.
I say the jews were, in both situations, deceitful exploiters for
their own gains. No inconsistency.
Just to be clear there was no plan nor an extermination of the jews
but there is a plan to take Palestine.
Just to be clear, Ah-mad-Jihad is the source of the inconsistency.

On the one hand, he denies the holocaust and on the other he claims that
one genocide caused another.

He's an idiot - as is anyone who subscribes to his genocidal views.

What are you?
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