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The Rifleman
2005-01-16 12:41:14 UTC
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Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how their
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>

This list only goes up to 2001. Very long
"Police quiz Labour MP over 'bribe' - 19/05/97
Blair Lies to the House of Commons - 19/11/97 Hansard
Labour MP in court on votes charge - 17/12/97
MP denies poll fraud charge - 18/12/97
Row over Blair's 'Murdoch intervention' - 27/03/98 Rupert Murdoch said he
had asked Mr Blair to contact Italian PM Romani Prodi over a deal he was
planning
No let-up in 'contacts' row - 08/07/98
Hague hammers Blair over sleaze - 08/07/98 for encouraging a "culture of
cronyism."
Fresh questions in lobbyist row - 11/07/98 the connections of Roger
Liddle,
the Downing Street policy adviser at the heart of the cash-for-access
affair, with Prima Europe
Tories step up cash-for-access row - 13/07/98 Mr Draper admitted being
"boastful" about his contacts with the government, but rejected
suggestions
of improper behaviour... Fresh allegations led to more denials from
Minister
Without Portfolio Peter Mandelson, who used to employ Mr Draper
Robinson escapes with rap on knuckles - 16/07/98
The Mandelson File - 23/12/98
Tories call for 'Champagne Jack' inquiry - 18/01/99 Has Jack Cunningham
been
indulging in high-living at the tax-payers' expense?
Blair escapes call to appear before 'cronyism' panel - 23/02/99 Mr Hart,
57,
is the godfather of Mr Blair's daughter. He was appointed to the
£73,000-a-year post, which was not advertised, in March 1998
Labour Scandal - Jaguar - 23/05/99
£11m spent on foreign trips - 19/06/99 The most expensive trip by a
minister
was made by Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, who travelled with 14 officials
to
the Far East in 1997 at a cost of £169,186
Hague attacks 'Labour hypocrites' - 07/10/99 accusing the prime minister
of
lying and breaking his promises
Brown accused of cronyism - 22/10/99
Robinson 'has scandal photos' - 23/10/99
Robinson 'gave to second blind trust' - 23/10/99
Minister denies destruction of evidence - 24/10/99
Inquiry into Dobson's campaign - 05/11/99
Mandelson given key election role - 09/11/99
Downing Street defends Mandelson refurbishment - 15/11/99
Brown denies impropriety in flat purchase - 09/01/00
PM's wife pays penalty fare - 10/01/00
No ticket, so Cherie falls foul of the law - 11/01/00
Robinson accused of DTI fraud - 23/01/00
Downing Street accused of forcing mandarin to quit - 23/01/00
Robinson faces fraud inquiry - 23/01/00
Transtec inquiry examines grants - 25/01/00
Robinson: I'm blameless - 26/01/00
Labour millionaire faces police inquiry - 30/01/00
Police investigate TransTec - 07/02/00
Online and on message (Blair spins on the web - using public money) -
11/02/00
Lords under anti-sleaze microscope - 13/03/00
Filkin [Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards] widens investigation
into
minister's 'payments' [Keith Vaz] - 19/03/00
Blair misled House on NHS - 26/03/00
Blair is attacked over 'cash for coronets' - 01/04/00
Byers accused of doctoring records on crisis at Rover - 06/04/00
Vaz 'promised solicitor a place on honours list' - 09/04/00
MPs delay report on Prescott flat - 19/04/00 The Labour-dominated
Standards
and Privileges Committee, which adjudicates on breaches of Commons rules,
had been expected to approve publication today. A meeting yesterday broke
up
without reaching a conclusion and the committee will not meet again until
May 9, the week after the elections.
Dewar denies jumping NHS waiting list - 01/05/00
NHS advert 'misled on nurse pay levels' - 03/05/00 Government advert said
average nurses earned more than £20,000
Commons misled over GM bungle - 21/05/00 Ministers kept the accidental
planting of GM crops across Britain secret even from their own advisers
Alli [Labour peer] broke Lords convention - 01/06/00
Blair tycoon paid just £5,000 tax - 25/06/00
Row over peer's tax bill - 25/06/00
Blair stands by millionaire with £5,000 tax bill - 26/06/00
The reason why Tony's cronies make us angry - 26/06/00 Under the heading
of
"sleaze", this Government is no better than its predecessors
Tories revive questions on Lord Levy's diplomatic role - 27/06/00 Further
queries raised about role played by multimillionaire Labour fundraiser as
Tony Blair's 'ermine envoy'
Robinson in talks over £3m Belgian tax bill - 28/06/00 Former Paymaster
General has French assets frozen by Brussels court order
Levy claim for £50,000 expenses [during the year in which he said he was
'living on capital' and paid just £5,000 in taxes] - 02/07/00
'Junket Jack' [Cunningham] goes to the races for £40,000 - 02/07/00 Former
agriculture minister and cabinet 'enforcer' lands plum job as adviser to
greyhound racing industry
'Unfair' dome bidder linked to Labour - 09/07/00 Competitors for purchase
of
Millennium Dome to make final pitchs amid accusations of cronyism
Blair faces cronyism gibes over Birt's job - 10/07/00 Fresh accusations of
spin as former BBC Director-General takes post as powerful new adviser on
crime
Birt crime job offer criticised - 10/07/00 "Appointing Mr Birt to work as
an
adviser for one day a week hardly shows a commitment to reducing crime" -
Ann Widdecombe
Prescott to boost regional agencies - 12/07/00 Deputy Prime Minister
signals
increased funding for controversial RDAs amid accusations of cronyism
BBC challenged by MPs over Birt's £800,000 - 14/07/00 Parliamentary
committee criticises broadcaster for size of former Director-General's
salary package
Brother-in-law lands Irvine in legal cronies row - 16/07/00 Lord
chancellor
has given plum legal jobs to his brother-in-law and an old friend
Blunkett failed to declare rent after moving to free home - 16/07/00
Blunkett fails to tell Parliament about his income as landlord - 16/07/00
Mandelson urged to return pay-off - 25/07/00
Mandelson 'should return cash' - 25/07/00
Politicians 'stuff quangos with cronies' - 26/07/00
Public loses faith with quangos - 27/07/00 Two thirds of people believe
appointments are politically influenced
Anti-electoral fraud campaign urged - 27/07/00
Ministers 'misled' public over scale of Dome's losses - 06/08/00
Chequers servant bill soars as Blair plays lord of the manor - 06/08/00 As
Mr Blair flew off on another free holiday in Italy and France yesterday,
Downing Street confirmed that he spent £364,319 of taxpayers' money on
cooks
and stewards last year
Connery 'called up by Mandelson' - 03/09/00 The 007 star expressed his
fears
about being used as a political trophy
Blair's man to pick new peers is 'no stooge' - 14/09/00
Straw rules out sex register law - 15/09/00 because his brother would be
on
it?
Mandelson 'sobbed as he was told to resign' - 18/09/00 Officials have
always
insisted that Mr Mandelson resigned voluntarily
Tory anger as minister claims fare for 'holiday' - 18/09/00
Tories challenge Blair over £1m 'lies' - 19/09/00
Ecclestone: A problem of perception - 19/09/00
Resign call over donation 'lies' - 19/09/00
Tories call for Brown to quit over 'lie' - 20/09/00
Stubborn Chancellor is in serious trouble - 20/09/00
'A straight sort of guy' - who believes Blair now? - 20/09/00 Blair: "most
people who have dealt with me think that I am a pretty straight sort of
guy - and I am." [NOT!]
Brown's word games backfire - 20/09/00
Brown told to resign over funding 'lies' - 20/09/00
Brown denies lying over £1m donation to Labour - 20/09/00
A few straight answers would have killed the controversy - 20/09/00
Brown faces calls to quit over F1 cash admission - 20/09/00 the
Conservatives demanded his resignation following allegations that he lied
about the £1m donation
Blair allies accuse Brown of shifting blame for F1 row - 23/09/00
Fresh Ecclestone inquiry rejected - 11/10/00
Mandelson leaks 'fuelled the rift between Blair and Brown' - 16/10/00
Mandelson 'lied over home loan' - 16/10/00
Mandelson in fresh loan row - 16/10/00
'Divisive' Mandelson 'misleading' on loan - 16/10/00
The mystery of Blair's £250,000 - 17/10/00
Labour rot starts at the top - Hague - 18/10/00 (he must have read my 1998
leaflet)
PM 'sent civil servant to sack Robinson' - 18/10/00
Sleazebuster queries Labour funding - 19/10/00
Inquiry into UK's 'Benz-aid' to African rulers - 29/10/00 The controversy
is
embarrassing for Miss Short, who has changed the way British aid is
delivered to Third World countries
This is where our money goes - 29/10/00 Foreign aid is the only global
activity in which billions of pounds can be handed out with no real
questions asked about how and where it will be spent
Inquiry launched over Speaker bets - 01/11/00
Ministers 'making Forces political' - 02/11/00 an officer had been forced
to
defend Government policy
MPs were misled over liability for the Dome's debts - 16/11/00
Labour 'spins web site of deceit' - 03/12/00
Sack for ticket inspector who fined Cherie Blair £10 - 31/12/00
Labour won't name new £2m donor - 31/12/00 LABOUR has bypassed its own
"anti-sleaze" laws by banking a £2 million donation from a mystery backer
'Fears grow' for Dome bid - 01/01/01 The government has been told the
plans
of its preferred Millennium Dome bidder [Labour donor Robert Bourne] will
fail
Blair faces revolt over £2m gift - 02/01/01
Labour's mystery £2m donor named - 02/01/01 Lord Hamlyn, publisher
Mandelson and the Dome bidder's party - 04/01/01
Mandelson's Party - 04/01/01
Peter's friends make a birthday fuss - 05/01/01
Labour MPs attack big donations - 05/01/01 "democracy for sale to the
highest bidders"... 11 people who had given more than £5,000 to Labour had
been ennobled since the party came to power
Dome bidder's gift to Labour - 06/01/01
Wilson aide Joe Haines says Labour gave honours to donors - 07/01/01
Blair 'proud' of Labour donors - 07/01/01
Dome sale examined - 08/01/01
Comedian [Mark Thomas] attacks Whitehall secrecy - 08/01/01 Trade and
Industry minister Richard Caborn wanted "background/dirt on him in order
to
rubbish him"
Mandelson accused over passport - 23/01/01 he has been accused of helping
an
Asian billionaire who bailed out the Dome to get a British passport
Mandelson fall-out spreads - 25/01/01 Europe Minister Keith Vaz wrote to
both Tony Blair and Mr Mandelson on behalf of the Hindujas in 1997
Hague says Mandelson affair is not over - 25/01/01
Pressure mounts for Vaz to speak - 25/01/01 New claims have surfaced about
alleged connections between the Indian brothers involved in the row and
Minister for Europe, Keith Vaz
Hague puts pressure on Vaz over passports - 26/01/01
Pursued by the press, Vaz does a vanishing act - 26/01/01
Vaz sidesteps questions on links with Hindujas - 26/01/01
Neill calls for new sleaze code - 27/01/01
Blair 'must control ministers' - 28/01/01
Vaz 'linked to Hinduja bank bid' - 28/01/01
It's not over yet - 28/01/01 MandyGate
How corporate man came to take over our public life - 28/01/01
Family with gift for getting to know ministers - 29/01/01
Inquiry into passport row 'to be concluded within weeks' - 29/01/01
Hinduja admits he asked ministers about passport - 29/01/01
Could the Hindujas do a Fayed on Tony Blair? - 30/01/01
A task for Redwood - 30/01/01 The more we learn of this case, the more
William Hague's performance at Prime Minister's Questions last week is
vindicated
Poll: Labour more 'sleazy' than the Conservatives - 31/01/01
Mr Blair should say if he thinks his friend is a liar - 05/02/01 Stop
digging, Mr Mandelson. Politically, you are already 6 feet under
Ministers withdraw support as pressure on Vaz grows - 05/02/01
Less than ministerial - 05/02/01 At worst, Mr Blair is suggesting that the
colour of Mr Vaz's skin entitles him to be judged by a lower standard than
other ministers
Ministers partied with Hindujas - 17/02/01
Irvine asks lawyers [whom he has the power to promote] to fund Labour -
18/02/01 !!!!!
Irvine under fire for soliciting Labour donations - 18/02/01 His action
was
condemned by leading lawyers, who said that colleagues would feel
intimidated into giving money. In his judicial role, the Lord Chancellor
is
supposed to be politically impartial
Prescott adviser in dome sale row - 18/02/01 Deputy prime minister was
warned that key aide faced conflict of interest over judging Legacy bid
No 10 spins its own news on 'Pravda.com' - 18/02/01 the government's new
online news service will offer the key stories of the day presented the
way
Alastair Campbell, the prime minister's spokesman, wants them reported -
at
a cost of millions to the taxpayer
Ministers take royal flight out of traffic chaos - 18/02/01 Ministry of
defence figures show Labour using Queen's jets more than twice as often as
Tory predecessors
Irvine 'promoted Labour cash drive' - 18/02/01 The lord chancellor, as
head
of the judiciary, has to be seen to be neutral
Irvine in funds-for-jobs row - 19/02/01 The Lord Chancellor faced calls
for
his resignation last night after he admitted asking lawyers who depend on
him for their promotions to give money to the Labour Party
Let's bill all the lawyers - 19/02/01 Lawyers are expected to act without
fear or favour; it is rather strange when their boss [Lord Irvine]
apparently dangles both in front of their eyes
Lord Irvine in party donations row - 19/02/01 it is a fundamental
corruption
of the office of Lord Chancellor and the Lord Chancellor should resign
Irvine urged to quit - 19/02/01
Lord Irvine: A 'blunder' too far? - 19/02/01
Peers must wait for Irvine's answers - 20/02/01
Q & A: The Lord Chancellor - 20/02/01
MPs call for Irvine inquiry - 20/02/01
Irvine was 'pressed' to ask for donations - 21/02/01
Anti-sleaze Labour MP 'broke poll rules' - 25/02/01 misusing public money
for election campaigning
Hammond pinpoints Mandelson 'muddle' - 04/03/01 Mandelson's friends doubt
that the report will fully exonerate Mr Mandelson of misleading Downing
Street
Hinduja passport inquiry likely to clear Mandelson - 05/03/01
Tories call for probe into claims over Cook - 11/03/01
Foreign Office denies Cook lied over arms-to-Sierra Leone investigation -
12/03/01
Special advisers on 587 foreign trips since 1997 - 20/03/01
Brown refuses to be drawn into Robinson 'gossip' - 21/03/01 biography
claims
ministers tried to hide tax arrangements
Vaz hands Blair a new headache - 21/03/01
Vaz defiant as inquiry starts - 22/03/01
Byers tries to halt Robinson book - 23/03/01 The book alleges that Mr
Robinson received a £200,000 payment that he never declared
Vaz attends summit 'to escape critics' - 23/03/01
MPs warned on sleaze - 23/03/01
Vaz: I will help new inquiry - 23/03/01
Bribery laws 'shameful', say MPs - 04/04/01
Government is advertising's top spender - 17/04/01 Government spending on
advertising has increased steadily since Labour was elected. In 1997 it
was
£43.8 million but by 2000 this had more than doubled to £102.7 million
Taxpayer 'footing Labour propaganda bill' - 26/04/01 in 1988, Tony Blair
was
highly critical of spending on advertising by the Tory government... In
power, Labour has significantly increased the Whitehall advertising
budget.
Oops: Ian McCartney, the Cabinet Office minister, confirmed that the
advertising campaigns were intended to to portray the Government in a
favourable light!!!
Commission for Racial Equality rejected 20 claims against Labour -
29/04/01
it consistently refused to investigate allegations against the party...
the
majority of CRE commissioners have close connections to Labour
Writing's on the wallpaper for Irvine - 01/05/01
Council accuses Brown over 'election' letter - 03/05/01 Copies signed by
the
Chancellor were sent to schools with the instruction that they be
distributed among parents
Labour 'taking anti-hunt group's cash for policies' - 04/05/01
Commons censure looms for Robinson - 04/05/01 for failing to declare a
£200,000 business deal with Robert Maxwell
MPs censure Robinson - 04/05/01 for misleading them over a deal he forged
with Robert Maxwell
'Houdini' Robinson's great escape - 06/05/01 Labour-dominated committee
delayed any decision on what to do until after the election
Blair urged to explain Hinduja visit [to 10 Downing Street!] - 06/05/01
Blair under new pressure over Hindujas - 07/05/01
Hinduja 'cover up' claimed - 09/05/01 evidence that Blair "duped" the
country and mounted a "cover-up" over his relations with the Hinduja
brothers... five leaked letters to the millionaire businessmen, some
signed
'Yours ever, Tony', show that the links went "far deeper than we were led
to
believe"
Blair's links with Hindujas revealed in leaked letters - 10/05/01
Yours ever, Tony - 10/05/01 Two of the letters
Minister 'lied' over plan to merge Scots brigades - 11/05/01 "This report
recommends the amalgamation of the Highland and Lowland Brigades. Why John
Spellar denies any knowledge of this report is hard to understand."
Mrs Vaz ordered to submit papers - 11/05/01
Vaz ruling will be delayed until after the election - 12/05/01
Returning Hindujas face inquiry on links with Vaz - 13/05/01
Blair is irritated as pledge over sleaze comes back to haunt him -
15/05/01
Much to Mr Blair's obvious irritation, half the 20-minute "Today"
interview
was taken up with questions about whether he had fulfilled his promise to
lead a Government that would be "purer than pure" (he hadn't)
Peerage 'bribes' to be looked at after election - 15/05/01 John Gilbert,
the
former MP and now Lord Gilbert, has confirmed that he was offered a
peerage
and a ministerial job by someone "high up" in the Labour Party
Seven councillors resign from the Labour Party - 15/05/01 They accuse the
ruling Labour group of being "in it for themselves"... compounded by the
continuous bullying, harassment, physical intimidation and racism...
nothing's been done, "not even when we wrote to Tony Blair."
Minister urged to quit over Army mergers - 17/05/01 Iain Duncan Smith, the
Shadow Defence Secretary, accused Mr Spellar of mounting a cover-up so as
not to lose votes in Scotland
No defence - 17/05/01 Iain Duncan Smith, the shadow defence secretary, has
accused the minister of not telling the truth, and he has called for his
resignation. He is justified in doing so
Maff 'hiding behind law to conceal true picture' - 23/05/01 The Ministry
of
Agriculture is using the Data Protection Act to block information on the
numbers and types of most animals culled
Blair accused of 'suspect judgment' in Microsoft visit - 30/05/01 Bill
Gates's closeness to Downing Street has caused unease because his company
has been the subject of investigations by the European Union and the
American Justice Department
Campbell's pay-off queried - 31/05/01 ...public perception that Labour was
receiving an "inappropriate subsidy from the taxpayer"
Meacher [Environment Minister] 'broke Commons rules' - 02/06/01
Vaz 'misled inquiry' - 05/06/01 The minister for Europe did not disclose
all
his property interests to a parliamentary standards inquiry
Anti-sleaze investigator 'must go' - 28/06/01
'Back sleaze watchdog', says peer - 29/06/01
Minister 'invented' report showing his policy was success - 10/07/01
Smith apologises for inventing report on PFI 'success' - 11/07/01
Revealing code of conduct designed to prevent sleaze - 16/07/01
Byers in row over housing scheme announcement - 07/09/01 Labour plays its
double-counted expenditure trick (again): the Government had already
publicised the £250 million Starter Home Initiative 10 times between July
2000 and April 2001
Teacher statistics 'massaged' - 05/10/01 the government has gone in for
massaging the figures: 2,500 of the "new" teachers are not fully
qualified,
in breach of the government's own guidelines
This is good time to 'bury' news, says Byers aide Jo Moore - 09/10/01 She
sent this email within an hour of the Trade Center attack: "It's now a
very
good day to get out anything we want to bury. Councillors' expenses?"
Byers aide apologises for 'attacks memo' - 09/10/01 Shortly after the
e-mail
was circulated a press release was put out over an increase in payments to
councillors - normally a controversial local issue. Jo Moore is still in
her
post! A "leak" inquiry is underway
Sept 11: 'a good day to bury bad news' - 10/10/01 around Westminster,
where
there was shock and distaste at Jo Moore's cynicism, it was thought that
she
would have to go
Danger signals - 10/10/01 Number 10 was quick to say there was no reason
for
Jo Moore to resign!
Jo Moore's chief error was in getting caught out - 10/10/01 Manipulation
of
the news is the very stuff of Labour's culture of obsessive media control
Jo Moore, the aide who rose to power by fighting the Left - 10/10/01 It
was
Mandelson who took her on as a press officer
Adviser 'should quit over spin e-mail' say relatives of those who died -
10/10/01 but Stephen Byers continues to value her skills and experience
Pressure mounts on terror memo aide Jo Moore - 10/10/01 Conservative Party
chairman David Davis urges a high-level investigation: "This is something
that assaults the integrity of the British civil service"
Tories call for inquiry into Jo Moore's "bad news day" email - 11/10/01
Byers accused in 'dirty tricks' row - 11/10/01 He is accused of forcing a
career civil servant out of his post after he refused to "spin" against
the
head of the London Underground. A dirty tricks campaign designed to
discredit Bob Kiley is said to have been orchestrated by Jo Moore. Prime
Labour sleaze
Byers faces dirty tricks claims - 11/10/01
Byers may be sidelined over Railtrack crisis - 12/10/01 Downing Street has
tried to distance the Prime Minister from the row surrounding Mr Byers
over
the alleged "dirty tricks" campaign
Call for inquiry into 'dirty tricks' - 12/10/01
Where is Byers? - 12/10/01 250,000 people, whose shares he has abruptly
made
almost worthless, are a touch angry
Someone must pay if the rules are broken - 12/10/01 Jo Moore appears to
have
breached the official rules governing the behaviour of special advisers
and
sought to encourage others to breach the code for civil servants
The Treasury's own great train robbery - 12/10/01 Mr Byers has not
nationalised Railtrack. He has merely promised it money, reneged on the
promise, reduced the company to insolvency and thus got it for nothing
Byers sticks to the script while fury mounts - 14/10/01
Dark arts of spin rebound on aide who called September 11 'a good day' -
14/10/01
Jo Moore was only following orders - 14/10/01 by Charlie Whelan
Byers fights cover-up claims - 19/10/01
Robinson faces three week Commons ban - 24/10/01
The downfall of Labour's Mr Business - 24/10/01
Robinson suspended from Commons - 31/10/01
Minister [Byers] accused of covering up Railtrack closure plans - 04/11/01
Ian Bailey
2005-01-16 13:55:56 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how their
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicans of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.

Ian
JA**
2005-01-16 16:28:50 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicians of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
-----------------
Mention New Labour sleaze to any New Labour fan and they will reply 'but
the
Tories were full of sleaze' as if that excuses them! The Tories
looked like complete armatures at sleaze compared to this New Labour lot
Diversity Isn't A Codeword
2005-01-16 16:55:07 UTC
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Post by JA**
Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicians of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
-----------------
Mention New Labour sleaze to any New Labour fan and they will reply 'but
the
Tories were full of sleaze' as if that excuses them! The Tories
looked like complete armatures at sleaze compared to this New Labour lot
don't forget he excuses everything else with BBBBUT the tories would
have done the same. I dunno why Bliar doesn't start saying this at
press conferences.
Christopher
2005-01-17 17:09:02 UTC
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On 16 Jan 2005 08:55:07 -0800, "Diversity Isn't A Codeword"
Post by JA**
Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on
how
Post by JA**
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicians of all parties
are
Post by JA**
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The
Tories
Post by JA**
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
-----------------
Mention New Labour sleaze to any New Labour fan and they will reply
'but
Post by JA**
the
Tories were full of sleaze' as if that excuses them! The Tories
looked like complete armatures at sleaze compared to this New Labour
lot
don't forget he excuses everything else with BBBBUT the tories would
have done the same. I dunno why Bliar doesn't start saying this at
press conferences.
Nu-labour blames the torys term in office every chance they get.



Christopher
++++++++++++
"The best way to keep one's word
is never to give it."

Napoleon Bonaparte
Malcolm
2005-01-16 16:43:55 UTC
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In article <***@individual.net>, JA** <***@hotmail.com>
writes
Post by JA**
Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicians of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
-----------------
Mention New Labour sleaze to any New Labour fan and they will reply 'but
the
Tories were full of sleaze' as if that excuses them! The Tories
looked like complete armatures at sleaze compared to this New Labour lot
I think you're winding us up.
--
Malcolm
JA**
2005-01-16 17:23:22 UTC
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Post by Malcolm
writes
Post by JA**
Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicians of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
-----------------
Mention New Labour sleaze to any New Labour fan and they will reply 'but
the
Tories were full of sleaze' as if that excuses them! The Tories
looked like complete armatures at sleaze compared to this New Labour lot
I think you're winding us up.
--
New Labour came to power professing to
be a breath of fresh air, they came in on an anti-sleaze ticket and
what have we seen, sleaze sleaze sleaze all the way.
Malcolm
2005-01-16 17:44:56 UTC
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In article <***@individual.net>, JA** <***@hotmail.com>
writes
Post by JA**
Post by Malcolm
writes
Post by JA**
Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicians of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
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Mention New Labour sleaze to any New Labour fan and they will reply 'but
the
Tories were full of sleaze' as if that excuses them! The Tories
looked like complete armatures at sleaze compared to this New Labour lot
I think you're winding us up.
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New Labour came to power professing to
be a breath of fresh air, they came in on an anti-sleaze ticket and
what have we seen, sleaze sleaze sleaze all the way.
Err, I don't think you've grasped why I used the word "winding" :-)
--
Malcolm
Christopher
2005-01-16 17:49:13 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicians of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
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Mention New Labour sleaze to any New Labour fan and they will reply 'but
the
Tories were full of sleaze' as if that excuses them! The Tories
looked like complete armatures at sleaze compared to this New Labour lot
What do you expect from socialists.



Christopher
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"The best way to keep one's word
is never to give it."

Napoleon Bonaparte
Ian Bailey
2005-01-16 19:36:01 UTC
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Post by JA**
Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicians of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
-----------------
Mention New Labour sleaze to any New Labour fan and they will reply 'but
the
Tories were full of sleaze' as if that excuses them! The Tories
looked like complete armatures at sleaze compared to this New Labour lot
Haven't seen any cash changing hands for questions though have we. Or
any ex Ministers or Peers going to jail as convicted liars.

I'm not excusing Labours slease, I am just pointing out that all
politicians are sleasy.Thats their job.

Ian
Dave Shipley
2005-01-16 21:10:42 UTC
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Post by JA**
Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicians of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
-----------------
Mention New Labour sleaze to any New Labour fan and they will reply 'but
the
Tories were full of sleaze' as if that excuses them! The Tories
looked like complete armatures at sleaze compared to this New Labour lot
Yes, damn them and their magnetic fields too.
--
Dave Shipley

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The Rifleman
2005-01-16 18:06:50 UTC
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Post by Ian Bailey
I'm on record as saying that generally politicans of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
Ian
you are joking the tories run rings round the bloody lefties in the
corruption stakes, the lefties get caught out time after time, the tories
rip off millions for years before getting caught, even in the corruption
stakes the right wing is superior.
Frank Booth Snr
2005-01-16 19:09:40 UTC
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Post by Ian Bailey
Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicans of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
Yes, except when Nu Labour won in 1997, Blair then made a speech saying that
unlike the previous government, Nu Labour would be totally free from sleaze.
In the same speech he added that Nu Labour would be like 'transparent
government'.

Lol!
Ian Bailey
2005-01-16 19:34:41 UTC
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Post by Ian Bailey
Post by The Rifleman
Jeez the likes of Ian Bailey must get their rocks off reading on how
their
Post by The Rifleman
idols behave, I be Ian wants to be just like his heros one day.>
I'm on record as saying that generally politicans of all parties are
generally on the take. Why is anyone surprised by this list? The Tories
were just as bad, as were the Liberals before them.
Yes, except when Nu Labour won in 1997, Blair then made a speech saying that
unlike the previous government, Nu Labour would be totally free from sleaze.
In the same speech he added that Nu Labour would be like 'transparent
government'.
So? You didn't believe that did you? No matter how idealistic the
politician, as soon as they get their mitts on power the slide down
into depravity starts.

Ian
The Rifleman
2005-01-17 10:01:48 UTC
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Post by Ian Bailey
So? You didn't believe that did you? No matter how idealistic the
politician, as soon as they get their mitts on power the slide down
into depravity starts.
Ian
Yupbut with the tories it was a rotten few, but with Nu Lab its a
requirement for all.
m***@my-deja.com
2005-01-17 11:41:45 UTC
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Post by Ian Bailey
No matter how idealistic the
politician, as soon as they get their mitts on power the slide down
into depravity starts.
What an odd statement from someone who supports big, centralised,
bloated left-wing government. If all politicians are corrupt (as, I
agree, they pretty much all are), then the only rational response is to
desire the _elimination_ of the majority of government, not its
expansion.

Mark
The Rifleman
2005-01-17 12:25:09 UTC
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The best form of government is the one that governs and taxes the least.
Paul Hyett
2005-01-18 09:55:44 UTC
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The best form of government is the one that governs and taxes the least.
Anarchy, you mean?
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
The Rifleman
2005-01-18 11:08:24 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
The best form of government is the one that governs and taxes the least.
Anarchy, you mean?
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Actually in its theoretical purest form Yes I think, but generally a low
tax, low spend, non interferal type of govt is probably the best.
Paul Hyett
2005-01-18 18:48:25 UTC
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Post by Paul Hyett
Post by The Rifleman
The best form of government is the one that governs and taxes the least.
Anarchy, you mean?
Actually in its theoretical purest form Yes I think, but generally a low
tax, low spend, non interferal type of govt is probably the best.
Getting one of those is decidedly less likely than winning the lottery
though.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Ian Bailey
2005-01-17 13:40:47 UTC
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Post by Ian Bailey
No matter how idealistic the
politician, as soon as they get their mitts on power the slide down
into depravity starts.
What an odd statement from someone who supports big, centralised,
bloated left-wing government. If all politicians are corrupt (as, I
agree, they pretty much all are), then the only rational response is to
desire the _elimination_ of the majority of government, not its
expansion.
Why is it odd? Politicians need to be kept on a short chain, but they
are needed to run the services we need to have a semblance of a fair
and equitable society. Periodically they need turfing out and
replacing. If they have power too long the corruption grows - hence
Major's government pre 97, Shirley Porter's Westminster, Labour
Doncaster & Rotherham etc etc.

Ian
m***@my-deja.com
2005-01-17 13:51:06 UTC
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Post by Ian Bailey
Why is it odd? Politicians need to be kept on a short chain,
Indeed. Preferably chained up outside Parliament for people to throw
things at.
Post by Ian Bailey
but they
are needed to run the services we need to have a semblance of a fair
and equitable society.
What's 'fair and equitable' about stealing money from the productive to
buy the votes of the unproductive?

Mark
The Rifleman
2005-01-17 16:05:49 UTC
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Post by m***@my-deja.com
What's 'fair and equitable' about stealing money from the productive to
buy the votes of the unproductive?
Mark
Hear Hear, Trouble Bailey and co can not see anything wrong with living off
the backs of others, Those who use public services the most IE the
scrounging classes should be paying the most council tax, those who are
weathier do not utilise those facilities so they should pay less.
Aardvark
2005-01-17 16:14:13 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
Post by m***@my-deja.com
What's 'fair and equitable' about stealing money from the productive to
buy the votes of the unproductive?
Mark
Hear Hear, Trouble Bailey and co can not see anything wrong with living off
the backs of others, Those who use public services the most IE the
scrounging classes should be paying the most council tax, those who are
weathier do not utilise those facilities so they should pay less.
This should be a standard text for any psephologist wondering why the right
get trounced with such regularity these days.
Ian Bailey
2005-01-17 19:04:24 UTC
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Post by m***@my-deja.com
What's 'fair and equitable' about stealing money from the
productive to
Post by The Rifleman
Post by m***@my-deja.com
buy the votes of the unproductive?
Mark
Hear Hear, Trouble Bailey and co can not see anything wrong with living off
the backs of others, Those who use public services the most IE the
scrounging classes should be paying the most council tax, those who are
weathier do not utilise those facilities so they should pay less.
I don't live off the back of anyone.

As for the welfare state which you so malign, its supposed to be there
as a safety net. I think its outrageous that so many people have to
have top-up benefits from the government when in full-time work. The
answer to that is to make employers pay their employees a living wage -
that way all the "scrounging" you're so upset about wouldn't be needed.
Ian
The Rifleman
2005-01-17 20:12:14 UTC
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Post by Ian Bailey
As for the welfare state which you so malign, its supposed to be there
as a safety net.
Safety Net YES, but as a way of life for so many low lifes no, never.

IE dole and its follow on SS payments should only be payable for one six
month period in and five year term, and only if yoyu have been working for
three years in the first place.

Council tennants who have jobs should not be allowed to remain in public
housing for more than five years, If they cant afford a normal pruchase of a
house then they should form a coop and self build.

Your women who get pregnant but whose parents have their own home should be
refused public housing, or put them in a hostel, they do not need help and
understyanding they need condemning.

I think its outrageous that so many people have to
Post by Ian Bailey
have top-up benefits from the government when in full-time work.
So do I but not for the same reasons as you.

The
Post by Ian Bailey
answer to that is to make employers pay their employees a living wage -
that way all the "scrounging" you're so upset about wouldn't be needed.
Ian
OH I soooooooo Knew that you being a good lefty would blame someone else ,
in this case the very people who create the jobs and wealth and take people
off the streets, How about if the scroungers dont like the low pay they go
self employed, or retrain, or go to nightschool, or simply try harder?????,
Ah but such concepts are alien to lefties, I forget that the scroungers
problems are always someone elses responsibility. Sheep simple sheep.
bigboard
2005-01-17 14:17:37 UTC
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Post by m***@my-deja.com
Post by Ian Bailey
No matter how idealistic the
politician, as soon as they get their mitts on power the slide down
into depravity starts.
What an odd statement from someone who supports big, centralised,
bloated left-wing government. If all politicians are corrupt (as, I
agree, they pretty much all are), then the only rational response is
to
Post by m***@my-deja.com
desire the _elimination_ of the majority of government, not its
expansion.
Why is it odd? Politicians need to be kept on a short chain,
And you achieve this by slavishly voting labour? Gosh, that will really show
them.
Post by Ian Bailey
but they
are needed to run the services we need to have a semblance of a fair
and equitable society. Periodically they need turfing out and
replacing. If they have power too long the corruption grows - hence
Major's government pre 97, Shirley Porter's Westminster, Labour
Doncaster & Rotherham etc etc.
Ian
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