Discussion:
Curfews for kids?
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The Rifleman
2004-02-17 16:35:11 UTC
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What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.

Its only tuesday now, but our local pepers have been since thursday filled
with storys about gangs of unsupervised kids causing misery across the
county.

If we accept as I do most decent kids dont " hang around" in gangs and its
only a wicked minority of kids who parents are simply to stupid to supervise
or organise their kids should a blanket curfew be applied to all kids to
clear the streets as soon as dusk arrives unless they are traveling or
participating in an organised event.

Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
Maria
2004-02-17 16:38:48 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:35:11 -0000, "The Rifleman"
Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Its only tuesday now, but our local pepers have been since thursday filled
with storys about gangs of unsupervised kids causing misery across the
county.
If we accept as I do most decent kids dont " hang around" in gangs and its
only a wicked minority of kids who parents are simply to stupid to supervise
or organise their kids
They might be working...there are hardly any facilities around here
for age 10+ children, and certainly nothing for them to do which does
not involve a 20 mile bus ride.
Post by The Rifleman
should a blanket curfew be applied to all kids to
clear the streets as soon as dusk arrives unless they are traveling or
participating in an organised event.
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
Against on principle of freedom (reluctantly).
ivan
2004-02-17 17:07:05 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Its only tuesday now, but our local pepers have been since thursday filled
with storys about gangs of unsupervised kids causing misery across the
county.
If we accept as I do most decent kids dont " hang around" in gangs and its
only a wicked minority of kids who parents are simply to stupid to supervise
or organise their kids should a blanket curfew be applied to all kids to
clear the streets as soon as dusk arrives unless they are traveling or
participating in an organised event.
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
Perhaps it should be instigated on a local basis, with someone of the
calibre of Chief (Clancy)Wigum given the authority to decide whether he
wants to apply it to a specific troublesome area... I put it to you that you
were watching last night's episode of the Simpson's on BBC2 and ICM £5
reward!
Peter W Watson
2004-02-17 17:26:51 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
we had curfew for under 18s in Chicago for as long as I can remember -
if we got picked up after 10:30 we got put in the cells
my neighbor got put in the cells and his father gave him the belt when
he got home after picking him up and paying his bail

we got home by 10:30

at 10:30 the tv flashed an announcement "Parents : Do you know where
your children are!"?

nowadays it would probably be "Mothers: Do you know who your children's
fathers are?"
Post by The Rifleman
Its only tuesday now, but our local pepers have been since thursday filled
with storys about gangs of unsupervised kids causing misery across the
county.
If we accept as I do most decent kids dont " hang around" in gangs and its
only a wicked minority of kids who parents are simply to stupid to supervise
or organise their kids should a blanket curfew be applied to all kids to
clear the streets as soon as dusk arrives unless they are traveling or
participating in an organised event.
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
problem is moron parents and broken homes - no discipline at home so the
kid grow up to be a jerk -

such is the end of a society that spits on God.
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Peter W Watson
Rob
2004-02-17 18:51:54 UTC
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Peter W Watson wrote:

| such is the end of a society that spits on God.

And you were doing so well up to that point.

alt.i.believe.in.fairies.etc is this
way...................................>
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Rob
Paul Hyett
2004-02-18 07:07:33 UTC
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In uk.politics.misc on Tue, 17 Feb 2004 at 17:26:51, Peter W Watson
Post by Peter W Watson
at 10:30 the tv flashed an announcement "Parents : Do you know where
your children are!"?
nowadays it would probably be "Mothers: Do you know who your children's
fathers are?"
Grin.
Post by Peter W Watson
Post by The Rifleman
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
problem is moron parents and broken homes - no discipline at home so the
kid grow up to be a jerk -
such is the end of a society that spits on God.
What does God have to do with producing bad parents?
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Peter W Watson
2004-02-18 09:21:32 UTC
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Post by Paul Hyett
In uk.politics.misc on Tue, 17 Feb 2004 at 17:26:51, Peter W Watson
Post by Peter W Watson
at 10:30 the tv flashed an announcement "Parents : Do you know where
your children are!"?
nowadays it would probably be "Mothers: Do you know who your children's
fathers are?"
Grin.
Post by Peter W Watson
Post by The Rifleman
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
problem is moron parents and broken homes - no discipline at home so the
kid grow up to be a jerk -
such is the end of a society that spits on God.
What does God have to do with producing bad parents?
reverse it -
If a man thinks he is a cosmic bastard without parents, purpose, meaning
or future he will never understand the concept of Fatherhood. His
philosophy will be brought out in his children. Hence the woes of modern
Britain can be squarely laid at the feet of the bad philosophers who
produced bad Theologians, who produced bad politicians and parents.
Parenting is God's way of showing us how horrible we are to Him.

Have kids and you'll understand.
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Peter W Watson
Stephen Glynn
2004-02-17 18:04:58 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Its only tuesday now, but our local pepers have been since thursday filled
with storys about gangs of unsupervised kids causing misery across the
county.
If we accept as I do most decent kids dont " hang around" in gangs and its
only a wicked minority of kids who parents are simply to stupid to supervise
or organise their kids should a blanket curfew be applied to all kids to
clear the streets as soon as dusk arrives unless they are traveling or
participating in an organised event.
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
Agin.

First, on the general principle that things should be allowed unless there's
a very good reason for forbidding them. I live on a quiet residential
street and one of the things I like about living here is that kids can
safely play out in the street like I used to when I was a kiddie.
Obviously if this was in Central London it would be impossible because of
the traffic but since it isn't Central London ....

Furthermore, kids have got to learn several things at some point or another.
One, around here, is that "you come in when you're told or there'll be hell
to pay from your mum and dad", another is that "you can play on these
streets but don't you dare try to take your pushbikes onto the main road"
(literally "setting boundaries") and yet another is that while that friendly
Mr Glynn from down the road doesn't mind you collecting your football from
his back garden he's going to be absolutely sodding furious if it smashes
his kitchen window or you trample his flowers and so will we, so have a
care, and if you decide it'll be fun to set fire to the woman next door's
cat you won't find it much fun when the police turn up.

I really worry about the implications of controlling children all the time.
The world's a big, threatening and sometimes very dangerous place. It
works because we all of us learn to negotiate these risks, learn about rules
and which ones you can risk breaking and which you can't and so on.

How you can do that from the back of your parents' car being ferried from
one organised activity to another at risk of legal sanction is beyond me.
You've got to learn to go out on your own at some point or another and if
you don't learn how to then Christ alone knows how you'll teach your kids
to do it.

Typical conversation in the Glynn household when I was 14 or 15:

"Where are you off to tonight?"

"I'm getting the bus up to Pete's and then we'll see if Janice and Carol
want to go to the pictures or maybe we'll just hang around outside the Town
Hall [well-known pick-up spot in Nottingham at the time] and see if anyone
wants to go to Mecca [dance hall rather than place in Saudi] or maybe we'll
just hang out at his place and play chess".

"Take care and bloody well take care you're back by 11:30 and that you
aren't too drunk when you get home. And you look after those two girls
Otherwise you'll answer to me"..

"Aww, Dad ...".

My father can't have enjoyed such conversations much more than did I but how
else do kids learn? Certainly not by David Blunkett passing laws about
it.

Steve



"Make sure you're back by
Lexin
2004-02-17 18:18:47 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Send them up chimneys. It's the only answer.

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Lexin
Mark, UK
2004-02-17 20:36:17 UTC
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Hi Lexin,

Yep, it's a good idea! Well, at least on a par with the curfew one.

In reality I would establish more facilities for young people, such as ice
rinks and skateboarding establishments. Also places which stimulate artistic
development from music to visual arts, and places which help kids to express
themselves through physical exercise. Young people are always going to need
outlets to develop their personalities, and will generally respond
positively when such facilities are provided.

As for the tight-fisted failures around here who'll condemn my suggestions
(and instead offer such junk ideas as curfews; ie allowing the minority of
bad kids to win), well sad for them.
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Mark
Post by Lexin
Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Send them up chimneys. It's the only answer.
--
Lexin
Lexin
2004-02-17 21:16:08 UTC
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Post by Mark, UK
Yep, it's a good idea! Well, at least on a par with the curfew one.
I thought so! I think the net effect of the curfew idea will be to
sell more video games, and surely we want children outside getting
exercise and increasing their social skills, not sat at home with
their PlayStation or X-box for company.
Post by Mark, UK
In reality I would establish more facilities for young people, such as ice
rinks and skateboarding establishments. Also places which stimulate artistic
development from music to visual arts, and places which help kids to express
themselves through physical exercise.
My one concern is that these things shouldn't be completely or even
mainly under the direction of adults, or they'll seem like an
extension of school. But yes, I think what we need is more facilities
- things like youth clubs, which I haven't heard of for a long time
and don't know if they still exist.

--
Lexin
Peter W Watson
2004-02-17 21:34:11 UTC
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Post by Lexin
Post by Mark, UK
Yep, it's a good idea! Well, at least on a par with the curfew one.
I thought so! I think the net effect of the curfew idea will be to
sell more video games, and surely we want children outside getting
exercise and increasing their social skills, not sat at home with
their PlayStation or X-box for company.
Post by Mark, UK
In reality I would establish more facilities for young people, such as ice
rinks and skateboarding establishments. Also places which stimulate artistic
development from music to visual arts, and places which help kids to express
themselves through physical exercise.
My one concern is that these things shouldn't be completely or even
mainly under the direction of adults, or they'll seem like an
extension of school. But yes, I think what we need is more facilities
- things like youth clubs, which I haven't heard of for a long time
and don't know if they still exist.
--
Lexin
the two biggest problems today in the UK are the health and safety
executive and political correctness

this is an island and yet how many kids have a boat or go fishing?
boys clubs have to take girls now (one closed last week because of this
stalinist political correctness)
kids can't have fun (like climbing trees)
someone might get hurt (plenty of broken arms when I was a kid)
someone might sue-
kids can't play safely in twos or threes as urban kultur makes them
targets -
the evil children can't be spanked as nanny state says spanking is bad

So it is hardly surprising the children are mentally ill.
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Peter W Watson
arealman
2004-02-17 18:23:34 UTC
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A thought but what has really gone wrong.

When we were that age ( what shall we say 13 - 18 ) we hung around in gangs,
roamed the streets and doubtless made a little noise............BUT we never
hurt anyone, especially we never interfered with older people. We did not
damage property. Yes we got up to pranks but in some way, we instinctively
knew we had to be clever enough to have a laugh but without harming anyone.
I recall for example, 10 of us picking up some guys car and turning it
around to face the other way. Now we laughed ourselves silly at the the
thought of the guy comming out of his house the next day............but he
was unharmed and so was his car.
You all know todays thugs are far more likely to steal the same car, rev the
guts out of it's engine, burn the tyres off and ending the night with a
bonfire.

Usually by 17-18 we got serious about a girl somewhere and that was the end
of us..........lol

We had less to do, less money yet we never became anything like the scum we
see today.

In my day, I never read of an old age pensioner, anywhere, being beaten and
mugged. Fact is, if our group had ever seen such an event, the guy would
have been torn apart.

But I talk of a long lost place called England. Most of you are too young to
know it....you missed it.


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2004-02-17 20:09:10 UTC
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Post by arealman
But I talk of a long lost place called England. Most of you are too young to
know it....you missed it.
Nah, it's not lost, it just got a little sidetracked along the way :)

It was certainly still there in the 70's when I was a kid.

Col
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Anne
2004-02-17 22:15:54 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by arealman
But I talk of a long lost place called England. Most of you are too young to
know it....you missed it.
Nah, it's not lost, it just got a little sidetracked along the way :)
It was certainly still there in the 70's when I was a kid.
Col
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So where are they, Mr Blair?
It's the same England I grew up in.
Scrumping in some local orchard and running for the hills when the farmer
came back, knock and run, curby, the local copper being on the beat...but we
had Bob a job week, carol singing, big bonfires and toffee apples on Guy
Fawkes night....oh those WERE the days.
Maria
2004-02-17 22:41:52 UTC
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Post by arealman
Post by Col
Post by arealman
But I talk of a long lost place called England. Most of you are too
young to
Post by Col
Post by arealman
know it....you missed it.
Nah, it's not lost, it just got a little sidetracked along the way :)
It was certainly still there in the 70's when I was a kid.
Col
--
So where are they, Mr Blair?
It's the same England I grew up in.
Scrumping in some local orchard and running for the hills when the farmer
came back, knock and run, curby, the local copper being on the beat...but we
had Bob a job week, carol singing, big bonfires and toffee apples on Guy
Fawkes night....oh those WERE the days.
Perhaps kids are overstimulated - all these things are boring to them.

Oh yeah, and Bobbies on the beat...what a joke.
Ours would have to walk ten miles first, if they could be bothered.
Mark, UK
2004-02-17 20:20:18 UTC
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arealnanny,

Are you in favour of a curfew then, and if so what is your cost estimate for
policing it across the UK (or just England), and how would you fund it?
Presumably you would need to raise taxes to ensure such a curfew? Or do you,
honestly, believe that a little persuasion will do the trick?
--
Mark
Post by arealman
A thought but what has really gone wrong.
When we were that age ( what shall we say 13 - 18 ) we hung around in gangs,
roamed the streets and doubtless made a little noise............BUT we never
hurt anyone, especially we never interfered with older people. We did not
damage property. Yes we got up to pranks but in some way, we instinctively
knew we had to be clever enough to have a laugh but without harming anyone.
I recall for example, 10 of us picking up some guys car and turning it
around to face the other way. Now we laughed ourselves silly at the the
thought of the guy comming out of his house the next day............but he
was unharmed and so was his car.
You all know todays thugs are far more likely to steal the same car, rev the
guts out of it's engine, burn the tyres off and ending the night with a
bonfire.
Usually by 17-18 we got serious about a girl somewhere and that was the end
of us..........lol
We had less to do, less money yet we never became anything like the scum we
see today.
In my day, I never read of an old age pensioner, anywhere, being beaten and
mugged. Fact is, if our group had ever seen such an event, the guy would
have been torn apart.
But I talk of a long lost place called England. Most of you are too young to
know it....you missed it.
arealman
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2004-02-17 21:13:24 UTC
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arealnanny,
Are you in favour of a curfew then, and if so what is your cost estimate for
policing it across the UK (or just England), and how would you fund it?
Presumably you would need to raise taxes to ensure such a curfew? Or do you,
honestly, believe that a little persuasion will do the trick?
stocks and the cat would sort the problem out in a week
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Hotblack Desiato
2004-02-17 19:24:09 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Its only tuesday now, but our local pepers have been since thursday filled
with storys about gangs of unsupervised kids causing misery across the
county.
If we accept as I do most decent kids dont " hang around" in gangs and its
only a wicked minority of kids who parents are simply to stupid to supervise
or organise their kids should a blanket curfew be applied to all kids to
clear the streets as soon as dusk arrives unless they are traveling or
participating in an organised event.
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
I don't know what we expect kids to do these days .. just sit inside rotting
in front of a computer of swallowing the dreadful, social grooming
propaganda thrown out by the moron box... as if they don't get enough of
that garbage at school

Instead of removing the liberties of others which we deem to interferre with
our life-style, maybe we would be better off asking ourselves why we're all
so bloody terrified of seeing other people whenever we step outside our
front door .. because of what we read in the mass media perhaps??

It could easily be argued that this deterioration of social cohesion we see
in our youth, is entirely by sinister design and what's more largely
illusionary... and sitting inside in our own isolated piles of bricks (as
we're encouraged and terrified in to doing) because we're terrified of
seeing youngsters in groups of more than two, is exactly what's leading to
the isolationism that in turn leads to the breakdown of social cohesion in
the first place.

Not only have we let the establishment destroy society, we have actively
asked them to do so because it costs money, with no regard at all, for the
consequences .. as a result, street corners are all the youth have got.. are
we suggesting we take those too ?.. what next? ..how much more are we going
to demand is taken from us?

The flip side is that a rigorously applied curfew probably would work .. in
much the same way that cutting people's hands off stops them from stealing..
Col
2004-02-17 19:56:37 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
Not a general curfew for the simple reasons of infringement of liberities
and the fact that why punish a whole section of society for the misdeads
of a few?

We have anti-social banning orders, but they are hardly ever bloody
used - WHY NOT???

Col
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Paul Hyett
2004-02-18 07:14:11 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by The Rifleman
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
Not a general curfew for the simple reasons of infringement of liberities
and the fact that why punish a whole section of society for the misdeads
of a few?
We have anti-social banning orders, but they are hardly ever bloody
used - WHY NOT???
Because young hooligans are not scared of a bit of paper.
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Email to pahyett[AT]activist[DOT]demon[DOT]co[DOT]uk
Col
2004-02-18 18:35:57 UTC
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Post by Paul Hyett
Post by Col
We have anti-social banning orders, but they are hardly ever bloody
used - WHY NOT???
Because young hooligans are not scared of a bit of paper.
I'm sure there somebody will be able to fill me in with the details
but I thought that they could be fined or sent to a young offenders
institute if they broke them. So they *should* be scared *if* they
are used in the first place and *if* they are picked up when breaking
them and *if* they are punished accordingly for doing so.

There was an article on the local news a week or so ago that seemed
to criticise their use as been so unfair on the kid concerned.
Some 15 year old scrote had been banned from the town centre for 5
years and also from seeing certain people.
But the whole emphasis on the article was that it was so unfair on him
because it kept him in the house and was unable to make social
contact, the poor little darling! His Dad kept on going on about it, never
mind the people he had terrorised and stolen from!
The oddest thing was that he was shown wearing a pair of shorts.
Now what self respecting 15-year old thug wears shorts, especially in the
middle of winter?
I guess it was just a ploy to say that he was kept cooped up in the house,
slobbing around and not even bothering to get dressed properly.

Col
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Mark, UK
2004-02-17 20:17:08 UTC
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Which county? Name the newspapers and show us the articles of all those
stories since last Thursday. Or just name the newspapers so we can check it
out for ourselves.
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Mark
Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Its only tuesday now, but our local pepers have been since thursday filled
with storys about gangs of unsupervised kids causing misery across the
county.
If we accept as I do most decent kids dont " hang around" in gangs and its
only a wicked minority of kids who parents are simply to stupid to supervise
or organise their kids should a blanket curfew be applied to all kids to
clear the streets as soon as dusk arrives unless they are traveling or
participating in an organised event.
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
Mark, UK
2004-02-18 18:41:48 UTC
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Trifle,

Name the county and show us the newspapers!!!!
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Mark
Post by Mark, UK
Which county? Name the newspapers and show us the articles of all those
stories since last Thursday. Or just name the newspapers so we can check it
out for ourselves.
--
Mark
Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Its only tuesday now, but our local pepers have been since thursday filled
with storys about gangs of unsupervised kids causing misery across the
county.
If we accept as I do most decent kids dont " hang around" in gangs and its
only a wicked minority of kids who parents are simply to stupid to
supervise
Post by The Rifleman
or organise their kids should a blanket curfew be applied to all kids to
clear the streets as soon as dusk arrives unless they are traveling or
participating in an organised event.
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
The rifleman
2004-02-18 19:45:51 UTC
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Post by Mark, UK
Trifle,
Name the county and show us the newspapers!!!!
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Mark
Evening gazette for Cleveland, starting Friday with a police op to round up
200 kids running riot in a local park terrorising the locals, throwing
bottles at police officers and police horses etc, then from memory anASBo
for Steven sparrow for terrorising the community of Elmtree, then perhaps
ther cops being given cycles and helmet mounted CCTV cam eras to combat
rampany anti social activity by youths on Ingbly Barwick, its a trial
program being ran on Inglby to deal with its unusually high amount of
yobbish behaviour.then perhaps the announcement of a voluntary warden scheme
to back up paid wardens and police on Parkfield and Mill lane areas to help
combat the anti social behaviour by local youths,then in tonights edition a
full page article about the new combined cctv system to help combat local
crime such as vandalism, shoplifting etc, thats page 7, then an article
about stephen sparrow on page 5, plus on page 15 a big article by the police
about how useful the new anti social behaviour act 2003 wioll help
middlesbrough get more asbos issued, for more trawl through
www.icteesside.co.uk.
The rifleman
2004-02-18 19:47:36 UTC
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Oh I forgot about last nights gazette mention the gang of yobs in
Middlesbrough who pulled down a wall, spray painted a butchers shop front
and other assorted criminal acts.
Mark, UK
2004-02-17 20:26:47 UTC
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Totally against 'controlling' our kids by curfew, trifle. What a stupid
idea, completely stupid, you've probably already convinced nanny though.
Counter-productive, impossible to implement, would cost billions to even try
to implement/police, bad for kids, punishes the majority of innocent
children, and a whole load of other reasons. Anyone who believes in a curfew
and any possibility that it could be implemented or acceptable is living in
the land of candy-floss. It's the sort of thing you'd expect from a
brainless person, who has no concept of reality.
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Mark
Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Its only tuesday now, but our local pepers have been since thursday filled
with storys about gangs of unsupervised kids causing misery across the
county.
If we accept as I do most decent kids dont " hang around" in gangs and its
only a wicked minority of kids who parents are simply to stupid to supervise
or organise their kids should a blanket curfew be applied to all kids to
clear the streets as soon as dusk arrives unless they are traveling or
participating in an organised event.
Who is for for against controllling what our kids do by curfew, and why ?
roy
2004-02-17 20:49:49 UTC
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Post by Mark, UK
Totally against 'controlling' our kids by curfew, trifle. What a stupid
idea, completely stupid, you've probably already convinced nanny though.
Counter-productive, impossible to implement, would cost billions to even try
to implement/police, bad for kids, punishes the majority of innocent
children, and a whole load of other reasons. Anyone who believes in a curfew
and any possibility that it could be implemented or acceptable is living in
the land of candy-floss. It's the sort of thing you'd expect from a
brainless person, who has no concept of reality.
Somebody like a nu-labourite or a closet nu-labourite perhaps? :-)

roy
The Rifleman
2004-02-17 22:18:20 UTC
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Post by roy
Post by Mark, UK
Totally against 'controlling' our kids by curfew, trifle. What a stupid
idea, completely stupid, you've probably already convinced nanny though.
Counter-productive, impossible to implement, would cost billions to even try
to implement/police, bad for kids, punishes the majority of innocent
children, and a whole load of other reasons. Anyone who believes in a curfew
and any possibility that it could be implemented or acceptable is living in
the land of candy-floss. It's the sort of thing you'd expect from a
brainless person, who has no concept of reality.
Somebody like a nu-labourite or a closet nu-labourite perhaps? :-)
roy
Na just another idiot living in denial I reckon, All Freedom without
responsibility...............Oh yes I see now a typical labourite.
The Rifleman
2004-02-17 22:17:15 UTC
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Post by Mark, UK
Totally against 'controlling' our kids by curfew, trifle. What a stupid
idea, completely stupid, you've probably already convinced nanny though.
Actually Dickwad I am personally against curfews, but dont let that get in
the way of your child like rant, I prefer to see far more investment in our
young people through after school clubs, the reintroduction of the forces
Junior regts and corps, I also think that all new developments need to
consider leasure and recreational facilities far much more, a massive
shortage of skateboard parks, bike tracks, banger derby fields, community
air rifle target ranges, more bog standard youth clubs etc are the answer,
but one thing is certain in the ever more over crowded towns in the UK just
leaving the brats to roam unchecked is going to cause even more long term
misery, they kids will probably grow up like you, thick.

Counter-productive, impossible to implement, would cost billions to even try
Post by Mark, UK
to implement/police, bad for kids, punishes the majority of innocent
children, and a whole load of other reasons. Anyone who believes in a curfew
and any possibility that it could be implemented or acceptable is living in
the land of candy-floss.
It's the sort of thing you'd expect from a
Post by Mark, UK
brainless person, who has no concept of reality.
Mark
So you like the idea then?
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
2004-02-17 22:24:54 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
Post by Mark, UK
Totally against 'controlling' our kids by curfew, trifle. What a stupid
idea, completely stupid, you've probably already convinced nanny though.
Actually Dickwad I am personally against curfews, but dont let that get in
the way of your child like rant, I prefer to see far more investment in our
young people through after school clubs, the reintroduction of the forces
Junior regts and corps, I also think that all new developments need to
consider leasure and recreational facilities far much more, a massive
shortage of skateboard parks, bike tracks, banger derby fields, community
air rifle target ranges, more bog standard youth clubs etc are the answer,
True.
And in addition they are growing up into fat bastards who will cost the
country billions in premature healthcare.
While it might be an exaggeration, a sports centre now means we don't have
to build a hospital 40 years down the line.
--
Dirk

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The Rifleman
2004-02-17 22:33:13 UTC
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Post by Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Post by The Rifleman
Post by Mark, UK
Totally against 'controlling' our kids by curfew, trifle. What a stupid
idea, completely stupid, you've probably already convinced nanny though.
Actually Dickwad I am personally against curfews, but dont let that get in
the way of your child like rant, I prefer to see far more investment in
our
Post by The Rifleman
young people through after school clubs, the reintroduction of the forces
Junior regts and corps, I also think that all new developments need to
consider leasure and recreational facilities far much more, a massive
shortage of skateboard parks, bike tracks, banger derby fields, community
air rifle target ranges, more bog standard youth clubs etc are the answer,
True.
And in addition they are growing up into fat bastards who will cost the
country billions in premature healthcare.
While it might be an exaggeration, a sports centre now means we don't have
to build a hospital 40 years down the line.
--
Dirk
After school compulsory clubs as part of the curriculum could be an answer,
stuff like cadet groups, music groups, banger racing, comptuting, camping,
sports etc but make it compulsory for the kids to attend from say 5 til 8
three nights a week.
You could even set up classes to specialise for your average labourite kids,
sex education, car theft for beginners, how to claim more benefits, how to
lie to the police, how to avoid paying a taxi fare, painting graffiti on
trains, make your own meth amph kits, feeding infants on pastys, cold tea,
sausage rolls all with added E's and preservatives, how to talk proper like.
Lexin
2004-02-18 13:54:03 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
After school compulsory clubs as part of the curriculum could be an answer,
stuff like cadet groups, music groups, banger racing, comptuting, camping,
sports etc but make it compulsory for the kids to attend from say 5 til 8
three nights a week.
In general I agree with you, though not that it should be compulsory.
You can't make enjoying yourself compulsory and children also have to
factor in time to do homework these days. Under this government, that
is compulsory.

The problem you haven't addressed, though, is that of funding and
staffing. Teachers can't staff these clubs, they already have a job -
not least of which is marking all that compulsory homework! My choice
would be to pay newly-retired people to help out, thus increasing
their income. There's a lot that young people can learn from older
ones - particularly young people who have little contact with their
grandparents - and also that older people can learn from younger ones.

--
Lexin
Mark, UK
2004-02-18 18:45:48 UTC
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wow, this thread has actually come up with some good ideas.
--
Mark
Post by Lexin
Post by The Rifleman
After school compulsory clubs as part of the curriculum could be an answer,
stuff like cadet groups, music groups, banger racing, comptuting, camping,
sports etc but make it compulsory for the kids to attend from say 5 til 8
three nights a week.
In general I agree with you, though not that it should be compulsory.
You can't make enjoying yourself compulsory and children also have to
factor in time to do homework these days. Under this government, that
is compulsory.
The problem you haven't addressed, though, is that of funding and
staffing. Teachers can't staff these clubs, they already have a job -
not least of which is marking all that compulsory homework! My choice
would be to pay newly-retired people to help out, thus increasing
their income. There's a lot that young people can learn from older
ones - particularly young people who have little contact with their
grandparents - and also that older people can learn from younger ones.
--
Lexin
The rifleman
2004-02-18 19:49:54 UTC
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Post by Lexin
The problem you haven't addressed, though, is that of funding and
staffing. Teachers can't staff these clubs, they already have a job -
not least of which is marking all that compulsory homework! My choice
would be to pay newly-retired people to help out, thus increasing
their income. There's a lot that young people can learn from older
ones - particularly young people who have little contact with their
grandparents - and also that older people can learn from younger ones.
--
Lexin
Your are joking of course, there is 2.8 Bikllion pounds of unissued money
for good causes in the lottery fund alone, not to mention simply spending
some of the money saved by persuading kids not to destroy things that could
be used to prevent the kids from going astray rather than repairing the
damage they cause.
Mark, UK
2004-02-18 18:46:37 UTC
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PS - even from him

:-)
--
Mark
Post by Lexin
Post by The Rifleman
After school compulsory clubs as part of the curriculum could be an answer,
stuff like cadet groups, music groups, banger racing, comptuting, camping,
sports etc but make it compulsory for the kids to attend from say 5 til 8
three nights a week.
In general I agree with you, though not that it should be compulsory.
You can't make enjoying yourself compulsory and children also have to
factor in time to do homework these days. Under this government, that
is compulsory.
The problem you haven't addressed, though, is that of funding and
staffing. Teachers can't staff these clubs, they already have a job -
not least of which is marking all that compulsory homework! My choice
would be to pay newly-retired people to help out, thus increasing
their income. There's a lot that young people can learn from older
ones - particularly young people who have little contact with their
grandparents - and also that older people can learn from younger ones.
--
Lexin
Col
2004-02-18 20:02:33 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
After school compulsory clubs as part of the curriculum could be an answer,
stuff like cadet groups, music groups, banger racing, comptuting, camping,
sports etc but make it compulsory for the kids to attend from say 5 til 8
three nights a week.
<snip humourous stuff!>

The more youth clubs thing has been going on for as long as I can
remember. Are there any more youth clubs than there were 25 years
ago? Well I don't know but this is one of the first things that people
always say when presented with the youth crime problem.
Build more youth clubs etc etc etc........
Does it do any good?
Certainly kids need places to go in order to take part in organised
activities but sometimes they just want to arse around with their mates,
doing nothing in particular. They don't always want to do things that
those well meaning adults consider 'wholesome' and good for them.
And let's face it, neither do adults. Sometimes we just want to go to the
pub with our mates or slob out in front of the TV.

Why should kids be any different?

Col
--
So where are they, Mr Blair?
The rifleman
2004-02-18 22:13:04 UTC
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Post by Col
Certainly kids need places to go in order to take part in organised
activities but sometimes they just want to arse around with their mates,
doing nothing in particular.
Exactly, Many youngsters simply want to hang around, but thanks to the
obsession with building on every scrap of wasteground there is very few safe
but out of the way places for them to meet, now its a case of the cops
simply moving them from place to place to place. Where i grew up was a few
plots of land plus and old bus shelter plus an old but solid loco shed long
since abandoned, plus the shed on the village green plus the waste ground by
the allotments all places along with the school field where the kids could
safely gather, but they have all gone now.
Maria
2004-02-19 13:55:36 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:13:04 -0000, "The rifleman"
Post by The rifleman
Post by Col
Certainly kids need places to go in order to take part in organised
activities but sometimes they just want to arse around with their mates,
doing nothing in particular.
Exactly, Many youngsters simply want to hang around, but thanks to the
obsession with building on every scrap of wasteground there is very few safe
but out of the way places for them to meet, now its a case of the cops
simply moving them from place to place to place. Where i grew up was a few
plots of land plus and old bus shelter plus an old but solid loco shed long
since abandoned, plus the shed on the village green plus the waste ground by
the allotments all places along with the school field where the kids could
safely gather, but they have all gone now.
The problem is that they don't just 'safely gather'.
There are places here that they gather - the place is now chocca with
broken glass from ther beer bottles and damage where they torch
benches and bins, graffiti etc.

<golden age>
When we had a den, we kept it nice, and we didn't drink, though we
might share a fag.
</golden age>
ivan
2004-02-19 19:25:58 UTC
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Post by Maria
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:13:04 -0000, "The rifleman"
Post by The rifleman
Post by Col
Certainly kids need places to go in order to take part in organised
activities but sometimes they just want to arse around with their mates,
doing nothing in particular.
Exactly, Many youngsters simply want to hang around, but thanks to the
obsession with building on every scrap of wasteground there is very few safe
but out of the way places for them to meet, now its a case of the cops
simply moving them from place to place to place. Where i grew up was a few
plots of land plus and old bus shelter plus an old but solid loco shed long
since abandoned, plus the shed on the village green plus the waste ground by
the allotments all places along with the school field where the kids could
safely gather, but they have all gone now.
The problem is that they don't just 'safely gather'.
There are places here that they gather - the place is now chocca with
broken glass from ther beer bottles and damage where they torch
benches and bins, graffiti etc.
<golden age>
When we had a den, we kept it nice, and we didn't drink, though we
might share a fag.
</golden age>
When I was a lad our playgrounds were acres of bomb sites with many damaged
buildings, which would nowadays be considered lethal.

I can recall at least one or two very serious injuries sustained by both
myself and fellow playmates and maybe even a death, but as anyone of my post
war generation who grew up in similar circumstances knows, we probably got
up to things that would no doubt horrify modern parents, but at least we had
somewhere to do it!

Mark, UK
2004-02-18 18:44:43 UTC
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<<I also think that all new developments need to
consider leasure and recreational facilities far much more, a massive
shortage of skateboard parks, bike tracks, banger derby fields, community
air rifle target ranges, more bog standard youth clubs etc are the answer>>

I'll go for all that.
--
Mark
Post by The Rifleman
Post by Mark, UK
Totally against 'controlling' our kids by curfew, trifle. What a stupid
idea, completely stupid, you've probably already convinced nanny though.
Actually Dickwad I am personally against curfews, but dont let that get in
the way of your child like rant, I prefer to see far more investment in our
young people through after school clubs, the reintroduction of the forces
Junior regts and corps, I also think that all new developments need to
consider leasure and recreational facilities far much more, a massive
shortage of skateboard parks, bike tracks, banger derby fields, community
air rifle target ranges, more bog standard youth clubs etc are the answer,
but one thing is certain in the ever more over crowded towns in the UK just
leaving the brats to roam unchecked is going to cause even more long term
misery, they kids will probably grow up like you, thick.
Counter-productive, impossible to implement, would cost billions to even try
Post by Mark, UK
to implement/police, bad for kids, punishes the majority of innocent
children, and a whole load of other reasons. Anyone who believes in a
curfew
Post by Mark, UK
and any possibility that it could be implemented or acceptable is living
in
Post by Mark, UK
the land of candy-floss.
It's the sort of thing you'd expect from a
Post by Mark, UK
brainless person, who has no concept of reality.
Mark
So you like the idea then?
steven x brown
2004-02-17 23:34:47 UTC
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Post by Mark, UK
Totally against 'controlling' our kids by curfew, trifle. What a stupid
idea, completely stupid, you've probably already convinced nanny though.
Counter-productive, impossible to implement, would cost billions to even try
to implement/police, bad for kids, punishes the majority of innocent
children,
Why would innocent children be out unaccompanied after, say, 10pm?
--
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Col
2004-02-18 06:48:58 UTC
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Post by steven x brown
Post by Mark, UK
Totally against 'controlling' our kids by curfew, trifle. What a stupid
idea, completely stupid, you've probably already convinced nanny though.
Counter-productive, impossible to implement, would cost billions to even try
to implement/police, bad for kids, punishes the majority of innocent
children,
Why would innocent children be out unaccompanied after, say, 10pm?
Why would they have to justify this if they *were* innocent?

Col
--
So where are they, Mr Blair?
roy
2004-02-17 20:47:27 UTC
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Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Its only tuesday now, but our local pepers have been since thursday filled
with storys about gangs of unsupervised kids causing misery across the
coun
Sure, if you would agree to every adult getting the same treatment.
Excepting essential service personel of course.

roy
The Rifleman
2004-02-17 22:20:03 UTC
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Post by roy
Post by The Rifleman
What do people think about having curfews applied to children enmasse to
stop them going on the rampage every time school closes for a holiday.
Sure, if you would agree to every adult getting the same treatment.
Excepting essential service personel of course.
roy
If I had my way most of the scroungers and dole wallahs would be made to
do damn hard community work for their benefits and they would be to bloody
tired to go out.
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