Discussion:
Allah is Dead, Why Islam is not a Relgion (book review)
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Eunometic
2011-06-17 14:46:09 UTC
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http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-not-religion.html

http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-why-islam-is-not-a-religion%E2%80%9D/

http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1293566867&sr=1-1

Why Islam is Not a Religion

Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn’t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a “religious” status. Also in America, one so-called “religious”


Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I’ve been saying this for a while now so it’s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam’s
so-called ‘apostasy’ were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
abelard
2011-06-17 15:21:58 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:46:09 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-not-religion.html
http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-why-islam-is-not-a-religion%E2%80%9D/
http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1293566867&sr=1-1
Why Islam is Not a Religion
Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn’t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a “religious” status. Also in America, one so-called “religious”
Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I’ve been saying this for a while now so it’s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam’s
so-called ‘apostasy’ were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
as do widget makers...

you may find interest in russell's little book on socialism and islam
the practice and theory of bolshevism, 1920
i have a quote or 3 here
http://heloise:8083/briefings/socialist_religion.htm#en4
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Mr. Spigot
2011-06-17 15:27:36 UTC
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Post by abelard
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
as do widget makers...
you may find interest in russell's little book on socialism and islam
the practice and theory of bolshevism, 1920
i have a quote or 3 here
http://heloise:8083/briefings/socialist_religion.htm#en4
You have a local computer name in your link, instead of an FQDN. I'm going
to guess that it should be
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm#en4 . Which works.
abelard
2011-06-17 15:33:41 UTC
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Post by Mr. Spigot
Post by abelard
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
as do widget makers...
you may find interest in russell's little book on socialism and islam
the practice and theory of bolshevism, 1920
i have a quote or 3 here
http://heloise:8083/briefings/socialist_religion.htm#en4
You have a local computer name in your link, instead of an FQDN. I'm going
to guess that it should be
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm#en4 . Which works.
you are correct...i changed it but it seems the change didn't register

thanx for pointing it out...

regards
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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Eunometic
2011-06-17 15:44:43 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:46:09 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-...
http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-...
http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref...
Why Islam is Not a Religion
Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn’t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a “religious” status. Also in America, one so-called “religious”
Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I’ve been saying this for a while now so it’s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam’s
so-called ‘apostasy’ were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
    as do widget makers...
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out. They may shun
them a bit but they don't fear for their lives as a muslim appostate
would or a woman that marries a christian/buddhist.

It is completely different thing both qualitatively and
quantitatively.

Nor do most religions attempt to impose a complete socio-economic and
moral system and to take complete political control.


Islam IS a totalitarian political system. It may be a religion but
unlike other religions it is also a complete totalitarian political
system.

Tony Blair, the muslim, is a cynical liar.
Post by abelard
you may find interest in russell's little book on socialism and islam
    the practice and theory of bolshevism, 1920
i have a quote or 3 here http://heloise:8083/briefings/socialist_religion.htm#en4
Don't work
abelard
2011-06-17 16:04:42 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:44:43 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:46:09 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-...
http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-...
http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref...
Why Islam is Not a Religion
Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn’t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a “religious” status. Also in America, one so-called “religious”
Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I’ve been saying this for a while now so it’s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam’s
so-called ‘apostasy’ were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
    as do widget makers...
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.
christians did...socialists and islam still do
Post by Eunometic
They may shun
them a bit but they don't fear for their lives as a muslim appostate
would or a woman that marries a christian/buddhist.
It is completely different thing both qualitatively and
quantitatively.
no it isn't...
socialism and islam are merely more primitive(less developed)
religions
Post by Eunometic
Nor do most religions attempt to impose a complete socio-economic and
moral system and to take complete political control.
imv you don't have enough history

try this
http://www.abelard.org/hitler2.htm#culture-context
Post by Eunometic
Islam IS a totalitarian political system. It may be a religion but
unlike other religions it is also a complete totalitarian political
system.
Tony Blair, the muslim, is a cynical liar.
Post by abelard
you may find interest in russell's little book on socialism and islam
    the practice and theory of bolshevism, 1920
i have a quote or 3 here http://heloise:8083/briefings/socialist_religion.htm#en4
Don't work
i screwed up the link...this is the intended link:-
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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FACE
2011-06-17 17:43:48 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:04:42 +0200, in uk.politics.misc, abelard
Post by abelard
Post by Eunometic
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.
christians did...socialists and islam still do
Whether individual Christians did or did not is irrelevant. A prohibition
of women marrying outside of the religion is not codified in Christianity,
whereas it is in islam.

The actual passage in the koran is 2:221, which also talks about men
marrying "non-believers".
abelard
2011-06-17 18:15:54 UTC
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Post by FACE
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:04:42 +0200, in uk.politics.misc, abelard
Post by abelard
Post by Eunometic
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.
christians did...socialists and islam still do
Whether individual Christians did or did not is irrelevant. A prohibition
of women marrying outside of the religion is not codified in Christianity,
whereas it is in islam.
The actual passage in the koran is 2:221, which also talks about men
marrying "non-believers".
it was vatican policy until very recently...
the young were heavily propagandised to marry within the faith...
the young were strongly encouraged to socialise only within the
faith...
if embroiled with a non catholic, they were heavily pressured to
convert that person....and failing that, to insist that the
children are raised as catholics....
you will see a public example with bliar...

they were taught that any marriage without the church was
not genuine/legitimate

regards
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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Eunometic
2011-06-18 12:57:29 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:04:42 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc,  abelard
Post by abelard
Post by Eunometic
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.
christians did...socialists and islam still do
Whether individual Christians did or did not is irrelevant.  A prohibition
of women marrying outside of the religion is not codified in Christianity,
whereas it is in islam.
The actual passage in the koran is 2:221, which also talks about men
marrying "non-believers".  
it was vatican policy until very recently...
the young were heavily propagandised to marry within the faith...
the young were strongly encouraged to socialise only within the
     faith...
They were not encouraged to do so by laws involving the execution,
stoning and murder of the appostate men or women who married out.

It is pointless arguing with your abstact delusions, I can see you are
incapable of conceding to logic.
abelard
2011-06-18 13:03:06 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 05:57:29 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:04:42 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc,  abelard
Post by abelard
Post by Eunometic
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.
christians did...socialists and islam still do
Whether individual Christians did or did not is irrelevant.  A prohibition
of women marrying outside of the religion is not codified in Christianity,
whereas it is in islam.
The actual passage in the koran is 2:221, which also talks about men
marrying "non-believers".  
it was vatican policy until very recently...
the young were heavily propagandised to marry within the faith...
the young were strongly encouraged to socialise only within the
     faith...
They were not encouraged to do so by laws involving the execution,
stoning and murder of the appostate men or women who married out.
It is pointless arguing with your abstact delusions, I can see you are
incapable of conceding to logic.
don't parade your ignorance...

if you take a child from birth...and isolate that child from
all alternative views....and threaten them with hell-fire...
you can control the great majority without stonings
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Eunometic
2011-06-18 14:31:23 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 05:57:29 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:04:42 +0200, in uk.politics.misc, abelard
Post by abelard
Post by Eunometic
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.
christians did...socialists and islam still do
Whether individual Christians did or did not is irrelevant. A prohibition
of women marrying outside of the religion is not codified in Christianity,
whereas it is in islam.
The actual passage in the koran is 2:221, which also talks about men
marrying "non-believers".
it was vatican policy until very recently...
the young were heavily propagandised to marry within the faith...
the young were strongly encouraged to socialise only within the
faith...
They were not encouraged to do so by laws involving the execution,
stoning and murder of the appostate men or women who married out.
It is pointless arguing with your abstact delusions, I can see you are
incapable of conceding to logic.
don't parade your ignorance...
if you take a child from birth...and isolate that child from
     all alternative views....and threaten them with hell-fire...
you can control the great majority without stonings
Atheism took hold among the educated classes in the 17th century in
Europe. There was, at least in intellectual or philosphical circles
of most European countries and certainly in revolutionary France
freedom to philosphisw without god

Islam is a totalitarian ideology dedicated to controlling the state
and to use the state to impose itself rather than a religon primnarily
devoted to man relationship with God, it reduces everything to rote
ritual and asinine laws; eg the punshment of women for 'zina' via
lashing after they report a rape without the requist 4 witnesses.

Christianity is not so nor is Buddhism. It is quite flexible,
certainly once literacy and publishing liberated it from heirarchial
control by the churches.
FACE
2011-06-18 16:05:51 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:31:23 -0700 (PDT), in uk.politics.misc, Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Christianity is not so nor is Buddhism. It is quite flexible,
certainly once literacy and publishing liberated it from heirarchial
control by the churches.
How correct you are! In the times when few were literate, they had no
idea what the bible really said, but only had what they were *told* that
it said, to go on. Hence the priests and the clergy controlled what most
people believed and too often that was not had been written so many
centuries before.

Whether fable or not, I was always told that the first thing that the
Gutenberg press was used for was to print the KJV bible. That, coupled
with the new era of not uncommon literacy meant that people could actually
read it to determine if what they were being told was true.

On the other hand -- always one of those -- the koran protects itself from
interpretation by the average believer with passages saying that it is not
to be questioned and one in particular comes to mind (in sura 13) that
says the abode of the questioner is hellfire. Another says that to
question the koran leads to 'troubling' and unbelief. The koran also
claims in numerous places to be "clearly written", yet it is anything but
clear in many places and then it demands not to be questioned Their was a
period of mujtahid (islamic interpretation of the koran) prior to 1000 AD,
but most orthodox islamic scholars consider that door closed.

FACE
William Black
2011-06-18 21:14:18 UTC
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Post by FACE
Whether fable or not, I was always told that the first thing that the
Gutenberg press was used for was to print the KJV bible. That, coupled
with the new era of not uncommon literacy meant that people could actually
read it to determine if what they were being told was true.
How on earth can you believe such twaddle?

Guttenberg was dead in 1468 and the 'Authorised Version' (What is known
as the 'King James Bible' in the USA) was first printed in 1611.

You remind me of the governor of Texas who once said 'If English was
good enough for our Lord Jesus Christ it ought to be good enough for...'
--
William Black

Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
FACE
2011-06-18 21:19:24 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:14:18 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
<***@gmail.com>, wrote

Fuck off, you piece of shit
William Black
2011-06-18 21:57:02 UTC
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Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:14:18 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
Fuck off, you piece of shit
Oh dear, such wit, such a wonderful command of the English language.

And all for pointing out that you don't know anything about history...
--
William Black

Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
FACE
2011-06-18 22:39:48 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
<***@gmail.com>, wrote

I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.

Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2011-06-20 21:53:47 UTC
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Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And
I'm not sure about the former'
(Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
FACE
2011-06-20 22:23:45 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
Y.
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.

FACE
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2011-06-20 22:36:04 UTC
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Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'It was a bold man who ate the first oyster'
(Jonathan Swift)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
FACE
2011-06-20 23:49:24 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
Y.
you're lame, boy. very lame.
Eunometic
2011-06-21 02:30:18 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc,  Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc,  Yitzhak Isaac
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc,  William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.  
Damn, you're stupid.   Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical.  How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
Y.
you're lame, boy.   very lame.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You won't get anywhere with Black and shYitsack.

They hate Whites so much they'd rather have us inundated with muslims
and even at the cost of wrecking their own Jewish well being than let
us continue to be as we are.

Hence you'll get these guys defying reality and using any sophsisry,
any rhetoric to advance their pro-immigraion cause, even if it means
claiming Mohameds sexual intercrourse with Aisha (6 years old) is
equal to marriage in the bible at 13.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2011-06-22 18:33:18 UTC
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Post by Eunometic
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc,  Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc,  Yitzhak Isaac
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc,  William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.  
Damn, you're stupid.   Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical.  How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
Y.
you're lame, boy.   very lame.- Hide quoted text -
You won't get anywhere with Black and shYitsack.
They hate Whites so much they'd rather have us inundated with muslims
and even at the cost of wrecking their own Jewish well being than let
us continue to be as we are.
Hence you'll get these guys defying reality and using any sophsisry,
any rhetoric to advance their pro-immigraion cause, even if it means
claiming Mohameds sexual intercrourse with Aisha (6 years old) is
equal to marriage in the bible at 13.
You're a loon.

And semiliterate into the bargain.

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'The nation is not an entity, it's divided into economic classes,
and the architects of policy are those who have the economic power'
(Noam Chomsky (1928 - ))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Eunometic
2011-06-23 13:19:47 UTC
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by Eunometic
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
Y.
you're lame, boy. very lame.- Hide quoted text -
You won't get anywhere with Black and shYitsack.
They hate Whites so much they'd rather have us inundated with muslims
even at the cost of wrecking their own Jewish well being than let
us continue to be as we are.
Hence you'll get these guys defying reality and using any sophsisry,
any rhetoric to advance their pro-immigraion cause, even if it means
claiming Mohameds sexual intercrourse with Aisha (6 years old) is
equal to marriage in the bible at 13.
You're a loon.
Gotchya

Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2011-06-22 18:30:37 UTC
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
you're lame, boy. very lame.
You lose another one.

Getting used to it by now, I'd imagine..

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria'
(Ahmad Shuqairy, founder of PLO)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
FACE
2011-06-22 21:20:33 UTC
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Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
you're lame, boy. very lame.
You lose another one.
Getting used to it by now, I'd imagine..
Y.
You really turn out to be a human wreck....but oh so shallow.......

I know what you got all pissy about. You wear your emotions on your
sleeve and take umbrage for no reason. Life must be very hard for you.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2011-06-22 21:23:10 UTC
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
you're lame, boy. very lame.
You lose another one.
Getting used to it by now, I'd imagine..
Y.
You really turn out to be a human wreck....but oh so shallow.......
I know what you got all pissy about. You wear your emotions on your
sleeve and take umbrage for no reason. Life must be very hard for you.
Another pile of vapid trouser-cough disguised as a 'rebuttal'.

Fuck off, loser.

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket'
(George Orwell (1903 - 1950))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
FACE
2011-06-22 21:40:50 UTC
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
you're lame, boy. very lame.
You lose another one.
Getting used to it by now, I'd imagine..
Y.
You really turn out to be a human wreck....but oh so shallow.......
I know what you got all pissy about. You wear your emotions on your
sleeve and take umbrage for no reason. Life must be very hard for you.
Another pile of vapid trouser-cough disguised as a 'rebuttal'.
Fuck off, loser.
Y.
I'm sure that you realize you are much like a small child with a vile
vocabulary. I often laugh and return that sort of thing with little bells
on. So fuck off and die, you piece of shit.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2011-06-22 21:50:41 UTC
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:30:37 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
you're lame, boy. very lame.
You lose another one.
Getting used to it by now, I'd imagine..
Y.
You really turn out to be a human wreck....but oh so shallow.......
I know what you got all pissy about. You wear your emotions on your
sleeve and take umbrage for no reason. Life must be very hard for you.
Another pile of vapid trouser-cough disguised as a 'rebuttal'.
Fuck off, loser.
Y.
I'm sure that you realize you are much like a small child with a vile
vocabulary. I often laugh and return that sort of thing with little bells
on. So fuck off and die, you piece of shit.
Another pussy fart.

Face it, son: you're a fuckwit.

Irrespective of how many times you morph, you're still intellectually
outclassed by all but the most simple of posters.

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'The power to tax, once conceded, has no limits. It contains until it
destroys'
(Robert Heinlein (1907 - 1988))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
FACE
2011-06-22 21:56:19 UTC
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:23:10 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:30:37 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
you're lame, boy. very lame.
You lose another one.
Getting used to it by now, I'd imagine..
Y.
You really turn out to be a human wreck....but oh so shallow.......
I know what you got all pissy about. You wear your emotions on your
sleeve and take umbrage for no reason. Life must be very hard for you.
Another pile of vapid trouser-cough disguised as a 'rebuttal'.
Fuck off, loser.
Y.
I'm sure that you realize you are much like a small child with a vile
vocabulary. I often laugh and return that sort of thing with little bells
on. So fuck off and die, you piece of shit.
Another pussy fart.
Face it, son: you're a fuckwit.
Irrespective of how many times you morph, you're still intellectually
outclassed by all but the most simple of posters.
Y.
What a simple piece of shit you are.

You never had an argument to start with and you still managed to be shown
the ignorant and whiny piece of shit you are.

You become more and more hysterical. look up the roots of that word --
it fits you well.

You have become a fucking joke, a sad joke....but a joke.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2011-06-22 22:01:02 UTC
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:23:10 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
you're lame, boy. very lame.
You lose another one.
Getting used to it by now, I'd imagine..
Y.
You really turn out to be a human wreck....but oh so shallow.......
I know what you got all pissy about. You wear your emotions on your
sleeve and take umbrage for no reason. Life must be very hard for you.
Another pile of vapid trouser-cough disguised as a 'rebuttal'.
Fuck off, loser.
Y.
I'm sure that you realize you are much like a small child with a vile
vocabulary. I often laugh and return that sort of thing with little bells
on. So fuck off and die, you piece of shit.
Another pussy fart.
Face it, son: you're a fuckwit.
Irrespective of how many times you morph, you're still intellectually
outclassed by all but the most simple of posters.
Y.
What a simple piece of shit you are.
You never had an argument to start with and you still managed to be shown
the ignorant and whiny piece of shit you are.
You become more and more hysterical. look up the roots of that word --
it fits you well.
You have become a fucking joke, a sad joke....but a joke.
And you lose another one.

How _do_ you manage it?

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'If you hear me yell: "Eject, Eject, Eject!", the last two will be
echos'
(Pre-flight Briefing from a Canadian F104 Pilot)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
FACE
2011-06-22 22:07:10 UTC
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:50:41 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:23:10 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:30:37 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
you're lame, boy. very lame.
You lose another one.
Getting used to it by now, I'd imagine..
Y.
You really turn out to be a human wreck....but oh so shallow.......
I know what you got all pissy about. You wear your emotions on your
sleeve and take umbrage for no reason. Life must be very hard for you.
Another pile of vapid trouser-cough disguised as a 'rebuttal'.
Fuck off, loser.
Y.
I'm sure that you realize you are much like a small child with a vile
vocabulary. I often laugh and return that sort of thing with little bells
on. So fuck off and die, you piece of shit.
Another pussy fart.
Face it, son: you're a fuckwit.
Irrespective of how many times you morph, you're still intellectually
outclassed by all but the most simple of posters.
Y.
What a simple piece of shit you are.
You never had an argument to start with and you still managed to be shown
the ignorant and whiny piece of shit you are.
You become more and more hysterical. look up the roots of that word --
it fits you well.
You have become a fucking joke, a sad joke....but a joke.
And you lose another one.
How _do_ you manage it?
Y.
I see you are getting more and more hysterical now since none of your
standard usenet ploys are working.

I have lost nothing and you have been shown to be an idiot.....again.

Fuck off and lick your wounds, asswipe.

I do hope I am keeping your sorry ass up late tonight.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2011-06-22 22:15:37 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:01:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:50:41 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:23:10 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:30:37 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:36:04 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:53:47 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:02 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, William Black
I see that since you made a complete fool of yourself in another thread
you are now childishly trying to make great hay out of what amounts to a
typo.
Damn, you're stupid. Just accept your stupidity and you may feel better.
More and more hysterical. How many octaves has your voice gone up now?
I see that you are trying to win the Most Annoying Asshole on Usenet award
again this year.
Yeah, and just like last year, you'll pip me at the post.
you're lame, boy. very lame.
You lose another one.
Getting used to it by now, I'd imagine..
Y.
You really turn out to be a human wreck....but oh so shallow.......
I know what you got all pissy about. You wear your emotions on your
sleeve and take umbrage for no reason. Life must be very hard for you.
Another pile of vapid trouser-cough disguised as a 'rebuttal'.
Fuck off, loser.
Y.
I'm sure that you realize you are much like a small child with a vile
vocabulary. I often laugh and return that sort of thing with little bells
on. So fuck off and die, you piece of shit.
Another pussy fart.
Face it, son: you're a fuckwit.
Irrespective of how many times you morph, you're still intellectually
outclassed by all but the most simple of posters.
Y.
What a simple piece of shit you are.
You never had an argument to start with and you still managed to be shown
the ignorant and whiny piece of shit you are.
You become more and more hysterical. look up the roots of that word --
it fits you well.
You have become a fucking joke, a sad joke....but a joke.
And you lose another one.
How _do_ you manage it?
Y.
I see you are getting more and more hysterical now since none of your
standard usenet ploys are working.
I have lost nothing and you have been shown to be an idiot.....again.
Fuck off and lick your wounds, asswipe.
I do hope I am keeping your sorry ass up late tonight.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Care in the community fails again...

You are a moron. Now piss off, you racist vermin.

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence
of the child, and the feeble mentality of the average adult'
(Sigmund Freud (1856 - 1939))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
FACE
2011-06-22 22:30:17 UTC
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
I see you are getting more and more hysterical now since none of your
standard usenet ploys are working.
I have lost nothing and you have been shown to be an idiot.....again.
Fuck off and lick your wounds, asswipe.
I do hope I am keeping your sorry ass up late tonight.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Care in the community fails again...
You are a moron. Now piss off, you racist vermin.
Y.
Loser of all time, do you really think that you are doing anything other
than amusing me?

Fuck off and die, you lame piece of over-emotional shit.

LOL!!!!!!!!!
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2011-06-22 22:32:30 UTC
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Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:15:37 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
I see you are getting more and more hysterical now since none of your
standard usenet ploys are working.
I have lost nothing and you have been shown to be an idiot.....again.
Fuck off and lick your wounds, asswipe.
I do hope I am keeping your sorry ass up late tonight.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Care in the community fails again...
You are a moron. Now piss off, you racist vermin.
Y.
Loser of all time, do you really think that you are doing anything other
than amusing me?
Fuck off and die, you lame piece of over-emotional shit.
LOL!!!!!!!!!
... aaaaaaand he loses yet _again_ !!!

Hahaha .. keep it up, loser. Come on.. hand me another win. You know you
want to ...

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends
[life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness], it is the right of the
people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government'
(Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
FACE
2011-06-22 22:39:49 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:32:30 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:15:37 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Keep dancing for me you lame piece of shit, you carbuncle on the ass of
society.

I hope it is good and late wherever you are.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2011-06-22 22:45:11 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:32:30 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:15:37 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Keep dancing for me you lame piece of shit, you carbuncle on the ass of
society.
I hope it is good and late wherever you are.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And he did it! YES!!!

Come on, one more before I go to bed... let me feel the crunch of skull
under my feet...

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'Make the Entire System Bow Down to Allah...'
(Abu Mounisa (<http://is.gd/k0A13>))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
FACE
2011-06-22 23:21:01 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:45:11 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:32:30 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by FACE
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:15:37 +0100, in uk.politics.misc, Yitzhak Isaac
Keep dancing for me you lame piece of shit, you carbuncle on the ass of
society.
I hope it is good and late wherever you are.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And he did it! YES!!!
Come on, one more before I go to bed... let me feel the crunch of skull
under my feet...
Y.
Stay up at your computer little boy, checking every 30 seconds.


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tainui Matakite
2011-06-22 07:47:36 UTC
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Eunometic
2011-06-21 02:05:55 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:31:23 -0700 (PDT),  in uk.politics.misc,  Eunometic
Christianity is not so nor is Buddhism.   It is quite flexible,
certainly once literacy and publishing liberated it from heirarchial
control by the churches.
How correct you are!  In the times when few were literate, they had no
idea what the bible really said, but only had what they were *told* that
it said, to go on.  Hence the priests and the clergy controlled what most
people believed and too often that was not had been written so many
centuries before.
Whether fable or not, I was always told that the first thing that the
Gutenberg press was used for was to print the KJV bible.  That, coupled
with the new era of not uncommon literacy meant that people could actually
read it to determine if what they were being told was true.
More or less correct, the first printed english bible was in 1526 by
Tyndale not the definitive KJ version.

http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/81.htm

Tyndale showed up on Luther's doorstep in 1525, and by year's end had
translated the New Testament into English. Tyndale was fluent in eight
languages and is considered by many to be the primary architect of
today's English language. Already hunted because of the rumor spread
abroad that such a project was underway, inquisitors and bounty
hunters were on Tyndale's trail to abort the effort. God foiled their
plans, and in 1525/6 Tyndale printed the first English New Testament.
They were burned as soon as the Bishop could confiscate them, but
copies trickled through and actually ended up in the bedroom of King
Henry VIII. The more the King and Bishop resisted its distribution,
the more fascinated the public at large became. The church declared it
contained thousands of errors as they torched hundreds of New
Testaments confiscated by the clergy, while in fact, they burned them
because they could find no errors at all. One risked death by burning
if caught in mere possession of Tyndale's forbidden books.

http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/
The first hand-written English language Bible manuscripts were
produced in the 1380's AD by John Wycliffe, an Oxford professor,
scholar, and theologian. Wycliffe, (also spelled “Wycliff” &
“Wyclif”), was well-known throughout Europe for his opposition to the
teaching of the organized Church, which he believed to be contrary to
the Bible. With the help of his followers, called the Lollards, and
his assistant Purvey, and many other faithful scribes, Wycliffe
produced dozens of English language manuscript copies of the
scriptures. They were translated out of the Latin Vulgate, which was
the only source text available to Wycliffe. The Pope was so infuriated
by his teachings and his translation of the Bible into English, that
44 years after Wycliffe had died, he ordered the bones to be dug-up,
crushed, and scattered in the river!

Henry VIII was known as "Defender of the Faith" because he would draw
and quarter any English Lutherans. This continued even after he
formed the Church of England.

The Gutenberg Bible was in Latin.

The Luther Bible is a German Bible translation by Martin Luther, first
printed with both testaments in 1534.
On the other hand -- always one of those -- the koran protects itself from
interpretation by the average believer with passages saying that it is not
to be questioned and one in particular comes to mind (in sura 13) that
says the abode of the questioner is hellfire.  Another says that to
question the koran leads to 'troubling' and unbelief.  The koran also
claims in numerous places to be "clearly written", yet it is anything but
clear in many places and then it demands not to be questioned  Their was a
period of mujtahid (islamic interpretation of the koran) prior to 1000 AD,
but most orthodox islamic scholars consider that door closed.
FACE
FACE
2011-06-21 11:06:50 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:05:55 -0700 (PDT), in uk.politics.misc, Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:31:23 -0700 (PDT),  in uk.politics.misc,  Eunometic
Christianity is not so nor is Buddhism.   It is quite flexible,
certainly once literacy and publishing liberated it from heirarchial
control by the churches.
How correct you are!  In the times when few were literate, they had no
idea what the bible really said, but only had what they were *told* that
it said, to go on.  Hence the priests and the clergy controlled what most
people believed and too often that was not had been written so many
centuries before.
Whether fable or not, I was always told that the first thing that the
Gutenberg press was used for was to print the KJV bible.  That, coupled
with the new era of not uncommon literacy meant that people could actually
read it to determine if what they were being told was true.
More or less correct, the first printed english bible was in 1526 by
Tyndale not the definitive KJ version.
http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/81.htm
Tyndale showed up on Luther's doorstep in 1525, and by year's end had
translated the New Testament into English. Tyndale was fluent in eight
languages and is considered by many to be the primary architect of
today's English language. Already hunted because of the rumor spread
abroad that such a project was underway, inquisitors and bounty
hunters were on Tyndale's trail to abort the effort. God foiled their
plans, and in 1525/6 Tyndale printed the first English New Testament.
They were burned as soon as the Bishop could confiscate them, but
copies trickled through and actually ended up in the bedroom of King
Henry VIII. The more the King and Bishop resisted its distribution,
the more fascinated the public at large became. The church declared it
contained thousands of errors as they torched hundreds of New
Testaments confiscated by the clergy, while in fact, they burned them
because they could find no errors at all. One risked death by burning
if caught in mere possession of Tyndale's forbidden books.
http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/
The first hand-written English language Bible manuscripts were
produced in the 1380's AD by John Wycliffe, an Oxford professor,
scholar, and theologian. Wycliffe, (also spelled “Wycliff” &
“Wyclif”), was well-known throughout Europe for his opposition to the
teaching of the organized Church, which he believed to be contrary to
the Bible. With the help of his followers, called the Lollards, and
his assistant Purvey, and many other faithful scribes, Wycliffe
produced dozens of English language manuscript copies of the
scriptures. They were translated out of the Latin Vulgate, which was
the only source text available to Wycliffe. The Pope was so infuriated
by his teachings and his translation of the Bible into English, that
44 years after Wycliffe had died, he ordered the bones to be dug-up,
crushed, and scattered in the river!
Henry VIII was known as "Defender of the Faith" because he would draw
and quarter any English Lutherans. This continued even after he
formed the Church of England.
The Gutenberg Bible was in Latin.
The Luther Bible is a German Bible translation by Martin Luther, first
printed with both testaments in 1534.
On the other hand -- always one of those -- the koran protects itself from
interpretation by the average believer with passages saying that it is not
to be questioned and one in particular comes to mind (in sura 13) that
says the abode of the questioner is hellfire.  Another says that to
question the koran leads to 'troubling' and unbelief.  The koran also
claims in numerous places to be "clearly written", yet it is anything but
clear in many places and then it demands not to be questioned  Their was a
period of mujtahid (islamic interpretation of the koran) prior to 1000 AD,
but most orthodox islamic scholars consider that door closed.
Thanks for the info.

FACE
Eunometic
2011-06-18 12:55:31 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:44:43 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:46:09 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-...
http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-...
http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref...
Why Islam is Not a Religion
Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a religious status. Also in America, one so-called religious
Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I ve been saying this for a while now so it s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam s
so-called apostasy were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
as do widget makers...
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.
christians did...socialists and islam still do
Nope, they never ever did.

When emporer Constantine made Christianity the official 'state'
religion there was a seperation of church and state.

His mother of course was a Christian. Despite it patriarchal nature
it was women that accepted Christianity first.

Either way, your abstract attempts to draw parrallels between
Christianity, Islam and other religions are just that, abstractions
that . Islam is the religion of Arabs and brown people that live in
poor, dysfunctional, nepotistic shitholes in part because of Islam has
helped made them that way.

Islam is not a religon of Europe. It is the religon of fast
reproducing Islamic immigrants.

One thing is for sure: Islam if left unchecked or will not only
become the dominant religon of Europe, it will replace the European
races.

It serves one purpose, the totalitarian take over of secular Europe.

Your attempts are claiming Islam is just another religon fail on two
accounts
1 It is the vanguard of Arab/Asiatic demographic imperialism
2 It theatens the secular freedoms of Europe.
abelard
2011-06-18 13:12:30 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:44:43 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:46:09 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-...
http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-...
http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref...
Why Islam is Not a Religion
Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a religious status. Also in America, one so-called religious
Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I ve been saying this for a while now so it s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam s
so-called apostasy were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
as do widget makers...
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.
christians did...socialists and islam still do
Nope, they never ever did.
When emporer Constantine made Christianity the official 'state'
religion there was a seperation of church and state.
His mother of course was a Christian. Despite it patriarchal nature
it was women that accepted Christianity first.
Either way, your abstract attempts to draw parrallels between
Christianity, Islam and other religions are just that, abstractions
that . Islam is the religion of Arabs and brown people that live in
poor, dysfunctional, nepotistic shitholes in part because of Islam has
helped made them that way.
you're babbling
Post by Eunometic
Islam is not a religon of Europe. It is the religon of fast
reproducing Islamic immigrants.
fast reproduction is a matter of recent history....
the control of population is spreading around the world...including
in islamic areas
Post by Eunometic
One thing is for sure: Islam if left unchecked or will not only
become the dominant religon of Europe, it will replace the European
races.
you and your pseudo races...grow up
Post by Eunometic
It serves one purpose, the totalitarian take over of secular Europe.
so has, and does, socialism...
Post by Eunometic
Your attempts are claiming Islam is just another religon fail on two
accounts
i haven't claimed that is 'is just another religion'....but it
is a religion...so is socialism...

stop making up what you wish i had said
Post by Eunometic
1 It is the vanguard of Arab/Asiatic demographic imperialism
and socialism is the vanguard of the ant nest nonsense of socialism...

and kills on a much greater scale than modern islam
Post by Eunometic
2 It theatens the secular freedoms of Europe.
like the attempts by eussr socialism to take over greece, ireland,
portugal or whatever...
and the recent destruction perpetrated by socialism in the uk...

it is standard socialist game book to destroy society in order to
remake it as a socialist paradise....complete with gestapo
and nkvd...
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Eunometic
2011-06-18 14:44:44 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:44:43 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:46:09 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-...
http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-...
http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref...
Why Islam is Not a Religion
Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a religious status. Also in America, one so-called religious
Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I ve been saying this for a while now so it s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam s
so-called apostasy were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
as do widget makers...
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.
christians did...socialists and islam still do
Nope, they never ever did.
When emporer Constantine made Christianity the official 'state'
religion there was a seperation of church and state.
His mother of course was a Christian.  Despite it patriarchal nature
it was women that accepted Christianity first.
Either way, your abstract attempts to draw parrallels between
Christianity, Islam and other religions are just that,  abstractions
that .  Islam is the religion of Arabs and brown people that live in
poor, dysfunctional, nepotistic shitholes in part because of Islam has
helped made them that way.
you're babbling
Nope, all Islamic nations appear to be second rate. Only the smalles
nations with the highest per capita oil reserves escape.
Post by abelard
Post by Eunometic
Islam is not a religon of Europe.  It is the religon of fast
reproducing Islamic immigrants.
fast reproduction is a matter of recent history....
the control of population is spreading around the world...including
    in islamic areas
Fast reproduction is a matter of all history, especially so if
'fertilised' by subsidies by the european welfare states.
Post by abelard
Post by Eunometic
One thing is for sure:  Islam if left unchecked or will not only
become the dominant religon of Europe, it will replace the European
races.
you and your pseudo races...grow up
Islam will expand through demographic growth.

It will become politically active, it is obvious that the British
labour party is now completely beholden itself to pandering to muslims
by increasing immigration in order to try and remain in power.

Hence not only do we have a high muslim reproduction rate, we have a
high muslim immigration rate.
Post by abelard
Post by Eunometic
It serves one purpose, the totalitarian take over of secular Europe.
so has, and does, socialism...
Indeed
Post by abelard
Post by Eunometic
Your attempts are claiming Islam is just another religon fail on  two
accounts
i haven't claimed that is 'is just another religion'....but it
    is a religion...so is socialism...
religion requires a belief in divinity. The fact that socialists have
many beliefs that are pure 'faith' rather than reason or fact does not
mean they are a religion though I admit it has some of these elements:
the inabillity to tollerate dissent.
Post by abelard
stop making up what you wish i had said
Post by Eunometic
1 It is the vanguard of Arab/Asiatic demographic imperialism
and socialism is the vanguard of the ant nest nonsense of socialism...
Socialism will NOT destroy or can not directly destroy the White race.

A tide of Brown muslims acting on religious and racial inpulses can do
that.

It is currently happening. Ever been to London?
Post by abelard
and kills on a much greater scale than modern islam
So your argument is Islam is good because socialism is worse so lets
have islam instead?

Islam can kill on a far greater scale if you refuse to conform to
their religon, it is even more intollerant than any socialism.
However they are technically not very advanced. Saddam Hussein hadn't
even caught up with the WW2 Germans or Japanese in terms of
weaponology, missiles, nerve gases.
abelard
2011-06-18 15:10:34 UTC
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Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
and kills on a much greater scale than modern islam
So your argument is Islam is good because socialism is worse so lets
have islam instead?
nothing outrageously false in your latest two post except the above...

i made no such argument...
Post by Eunometic
Islam can kill on a far greater scale if you refuse to conform to
their religon, it is even more intollerant than any socialism.
However they are technically not very advanced. Saddam Hussein hadn't
even caught up with the WW2 Germans or Japanese in terms of
weaponology, missiles, nerve gases.
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
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Eunometic
2011-06-18 15:17:59 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
and kills on a much greater scale than modern islam
So your argument is Islam is good because socialism is worse so lets
have islam instead?
nothing outrageously false in your latest two post except the above...
i made no such argument...
Yes you did.

You defended islam by trying to
1 prove christinaity and other religions were the same
2 started claiming that socialism was a worse form of totalitarianism.
abelard
2011-06-18 15:20:42 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:17:59 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
Post by Eunometic
Post by abelard
and kills on a much greater scale than modern islam
So your argument is Islam is good because socialism is worse so lets
have islam instead?
nothing outrageously false in your latest two post except the above...
i made no such argument...
Yes you did.
oh no i didn't
Post by Eunometic
You defended islam by trying to
oh no i didn't
Post by Eunometic
1 prove christinaity and other religions were the same
oh no i didn't
Post by Eunometic
2 started claiming that socialism was a worse form of totalitarianism.
it is
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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Andy
2011-06-17 21:24:19 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:46:09 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-...
http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-...
http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref...
Why Islam is Not a Religion
Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn’t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a “religious” status. Also in America, one so-called “religious”
Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I’ve been saying this for a while now so it’s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam’s
so-called ‘apostasy’ were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
    as do widget makers...
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.  They may shun
them a bit but they don't fear for their lives as a muslim appostate
would or a woman that marries a christian/buddhist.
It is completely different thing both qualitatively and
quantitatively.
Nor do most religions attempt to impose a complete socio-economic and
moral system and to take complete political control.
Islam IS a totalitarian political system.  It may be a religion but
unlike other religions it is also a complete totalitarian political
system.
Tony Blair, the muslim, is a cynical liar.
Post by abelard
you may find interest in russell's little book on socialism and islam
    the practice and theory of bolshevism, 1920
i have a quote or 3 herehttp://heloise:8083/briefings/socialist_religion.htm#en4
Don't work
The religion doesn't matter, it's the mindset of those applying it.

If evil people use religion, only then is it a force for evil.

The same is true for science!
abelard
2011-06-17 23:57:55 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:24:19 -0700 (PDT), Andy
Post by Andy
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:46:09 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-...
http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-...
http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref...
Why Islam is Not a Religion
Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn’t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a “religious” status. Also in America, one so-called “religious”
Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I’ve been saying this for a while now so it’s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam’s
so-called ‘apostasy’ were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
    as do widget makers...
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out.  They may shun
them a bit but they don't fear for their lives as a muslim appostate
would or a woman that marries a christian/buddhist.
It is completely different thing both qualitatively and
quantitatively.
Nor do most religions attempt to impose a complete socio-economic and
moral system and to take complete political control.
Islam IS a totalitarian political system.  It may be a religion but
unlike other religions it is also a complete totalitarian political
system.
Tony Blair, the muslim, is a cynical liar.
Post by abelard
you may find interest in russell's little book on socialism and islam
    the practice and theory of bolshevism, 1920
i have a quote or 3 herehttp://heloise:8083/briefings/socialist_religion.htm#en4
Don't work
The religion doesn't matter, it's the mindset of those applying it.
If evil people use religion, only then is it a force for evil.
The same is true for science!
the religion certainly matters...if it tells you to kill infidels
or tells you that responsibility is group centered rather
than personal
--
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energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andy
2011-06-18 12:27:12 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:24:19 -0700 (PDT), Andy
Post by Andy
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:46:09 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-...
http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-...
http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref...
Why Islam is Not a Religion
Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a religious status. Also in America, one so-called religious
Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I ve been saying this for a while now so it s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam s
so-called apostasy were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
all religions attempt to imprison their adherents...as do nations...
as do widget makers...
Most don't kill appostates or women that marry out. They may shun
them a bit but they don't fear for their lives as a muslim appostate
would or a woman that marries a christian/buddhist.
It is completely different thing both qualitatively and
quantitatively.
Nor do most religions attempt to impose a complete socio-economic and
moral system and to take complete political control.
Islam IS a totalitarian political system. It may be a religion but
unlike other religions it is also a complete totalitarian political
system.
Tony Blair, the muslim, is a cynical liar.
Post by abelard
you may find interest in russell's little book on socialism and islam
the practice and theory of bolshevism, 1920
i have a quote or 3 herehttp://heloise:8083/briefings/socialist_religion.htm#en4
Don't work
The religion doesn't matter, it's the mindset of those applying it.
If evil people use religion, only then is it a force for evil.
The same is true for science!
the religion certainly matters...if it tells you to kill infidels
     or tells you that responsibility is group centered rather
     than personal
--
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 energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
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  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that    []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing      []    trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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I'm a Christian and happy to be so. The town where I grew up was the
centre for the witch trials, where many completely innocent women were
tortured to death. The sort of oppression the Taliban are renowned for
happened here in England under the Christian flag. Similarly Islamic
culture was once groundbreaking in provision for women's rights.
Recent history has been the other way round. My point is that a bunch
of thugs can supposedly worship any form of God, even no God- it's not
religion but mob mentality and blood lust.

The west must take some responsibility for the Islamic fundamentalist
problem- too often have appalling regimes been mollycoddled just
because of favourable business deals, oil, arms etc. This has made
very rich people out of some very backward minded "leaders".

Muslims across the world are appalled at some of the vandalism against
sacred sites that the Saudi regime have committed, and also that the
regimes ill-gotten cash has been used to further the cause worldwide
of a form of Islam best described as medieval. European Muslims are
largely embarrassed by this, they want to be fully accepted as
European citizens and this sort of thing is getting in the way.

Let's say that instead of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, it had been
Saudi Arabia that had been deemed a candidate for regime change. Why
not? The super rich in the US and Europe, like apartheid South Africa,
have a lot of rich friends who live there.
abelard
2011-06-18 12:52:16 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 05:27:12 -0700 (PDT), Andy
Post by Andy
I'm a Christian and happy to be so. The town where I grew up was the
centre for the witch trials, where many completely innocent women were
tortured to death. The sort of oppression the Taliban are renowned for
happened here in England under the Christian flag. Similarly Islamic
culture was once groundbreaking in provision for women's rights.
i'm concerned with the world as it is now...not some claims
about a fantasy world of a thousand or more years ago...

islam was imposed by the sword...
Post by Andy
Recent history has been the other way round. My point is that a bunch
of thugs can supposedly worship any form of God, even no God- it's not
religion but mob mentality and blood lust.
but a side issue as long as they presently claim god told them
to do it...
i see no similar problem with christianism...

there is trouble just about where-ever there is islam....that is
the here and now...
islam in the modern world is a considerable problem...it is crazy
to claim otherwise
Post by Andy
The west must take some responsibility for the Islamic fundamentalist
problem- too often have appalling regimes been mollycoddled just
because of favourable business deals, oil, arms etc. This has made
very rich people out of some very backward minded "leaders".
every person is responsible for their own actions....

on no other basis can realistic ethics be based....

neither is the past of prime relevance....it is here and now
we must solve difficulties and problems...
referring to the past is an excuse....

fortunately bush has opened up the middle east and undermined
the cozy acceptance of disgusting dictatorships like the taliban
and madsam...
that is now playing out and developing across the area....

meanwhile, your standard of living is critically dependent on
oil....and that dependence has echoes around the world...
the standard of living everywhere depends on the good will
and cutting edge progress of the usa....it also depends on the
willingness of the usa to play world policeman
Post by Andy
Muslims across the world are appalled at some of the vandalism against
sacred sites that the Saudi regime have committed, and also that the
regimes ill-gotten cash has been used to further the cause worldwide
of a form of Islam best described as medieval. European Muslims are
largely embarrassed by this, they want to be fully accepted as
European citizens and this sort of thing is getting in the way.
their acceptance will depend on *their* behaviour....

meanwhile, as said, the middle east is now opening up...
that process will take time and is costing an element of mayhem...

you must be patient with reality and human stupidity...
Post by Andy
Let's say that instead of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, it had been
Saudi Arabia that had been deemed a candidate for regime change. Why
not? The super rich in the US and Europe, like apartheid South Africa,
have a lot of rich friends who live there.
you are being romantic...you cannot just ignore the realities of oil
and hope the problems will just go away...

you have the marxist fool in the whitehouse stopping usa oil
production...
you have merkel playing populist politics with nuclear power...

you won't solve the realities of oil/energy problems that way...

regards
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energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
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Andy
2011-06-18 14:04:04 UTC
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you must be patient with reality and human stupidity...
Thank you abe, that made my day! Impatience is the cause of so much of
mankind's problems.
Sfinx
2011-06-22 07:34:52 UTC
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http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/01/allah-is-dead-why-islam-is-...
http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-...
http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why-Islam-Religion/dp/0578073900/ref...
Why Islam is Not a Religion
Just because people profess a faith in an ideology doesn’t make it a
religion. In our lifetime, people swore loyalty to Communism and
Nazism with religious fervor, but those ideologies were never granted
a “religious” status. Also in America, one so-called “religious”
Rebecca Bynum nails it in Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion.
I’ve been saying this for a while now so it’s exciting to see that
someone has written a book laying out systematically what it took us
so many years to understand, to wit: Islam is a totalitarian system
tricked out to look like a religion, and it fools even many of its
adherents. In reality, Islam is a prison - as those who try to leave
know all too well. You wonder sometimes what would happen if Islam’s
so-called ‘apostasy’ were done away with? How many adherents would
still be in the system? Especially I wonder how many women would
remain if they were free (as in really free from physical retaliation)
to get on the bus, Gus.
Allah can not be dead. He never existed in the first place. He is just
an artificial construction of the "prophet" paedophile mohammed (piss
be upon him).
Tainui Matakite
2011-06-22 07:45:08 UTC
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