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VAN DIESEL
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When the loony left try to make out the BNP are nought but criminals, please
remember the BNP did NOT lie to Parliament, Did not Illegally start a war
that has cost 141 British lives and 600,000 Iraqi Lives, But below are just
a few of the things your beloved lefties did do when not inciting race races
in West Yorks.


Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed
for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys. (2001)

Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed
for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

Labour Mayor (Westhoughton) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10
years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault.

Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and
threats to kill.

Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at
Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old
girl on 2 separate occasions.

Labour's current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2
Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public
toilet.

Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party
activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before
he could be convicted.

Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to
advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as "Horny
as buggery" and says, "I'd love a good long f***".

Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising
for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in
some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. "I was only looking for
badgers," he said.

Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days
after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his
Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.

According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers
said to be "Household names" appear on the `Operation Ore` list of
subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation,
which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr
Blair?

Labour Councillor (Wales) Denis Jones - Convicted and jailed for unlawful
wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.

Labour Councillor (Wales) Ken Brookman - Bit off a mans ear in a dispute
over a seat on a train!

Labour Councillor (Sandwell) Mohamed Niwaz convicted of illegally obtaining
£20,000 in Housing Grants.

Labour councillors in Doncaster - 23 Convicted and 2 jailed for massive
fraud, corruption and theft of public funds. Investigation also uncovered
massive Labour Party corruption in neighbouring Rotherham.

Labour Party Councillor (Blackburn), Mohammed Hussein - arrested together
with 6 Labour activists on suspicion of Election rigging.

Labour Party Euro MP, David Martin is currently being investigated for an
alleged expenses fraud involving `hundreds of thousands of pounds`.

Tony Blair recently appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his
wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the
fact he has a drugs conviction.

Labour Party MSP Mike Watson imprisoned for arson.

Councillor guilty of killing gull A Devon district councillor who shot a
seagull to stop it spreading disease has been found guilty of intentionally
killing a wild bird.

Dr Brian Boughton, 62, of South Ford Road, Dartmouth, used an air rifle to
shoot the seagull that had nested in his roof.

He denied the 1981 Wildlife and Countryside Act section 1(1)A offence.

He was conditionally discharged for a year and ordered to pay £400 costs by
Totnes Magistrates on Wednesday.







Ex-mayor's computer images arrest A former leader of Swansea Council has
been arrested after indecent images were allegedly found on his
council-issue laptop computer.

Lawrence Bailey, 51, has "emphatically denied" the claims and was given
police bail following his arrest on Friday.

The councillor said he had given police his complete co-operation.

A former Lord Mayor of Swansea, he stood down as Labour leader in 2004 after
the party lost power in the city for the first time in 25 years.

In identical statements given to the Swansea-based Evening Post and the
Western Mail Mr Bailey said: "My family and I are shattered by these events
and we are anxious for the matter to be resolved quickly.

"I have emphatically denied these allegations and following my brief arrest
on Friday evening, I was released without charge the same night.

"I have given the police my complete co-operation in their investigations
and am in no doubt that this matter will be fully resolved."

Mr Bailey is a Labour county councillor for the Birchgrove ward in the city.

A spokesman for South Wales Police said: "We have arrested a 51-year-old man
in relation to possession of indecent images.

"He has been bailed pending further inquiries."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/wales/south_west/4984308.stm

Published: 2006/05/08 11:42:49 GMT

© BBC MMVI







LABOUR party canvasser David Harding, 48, of Hornchurch, Essex was convicted
of assaulting Robert Benham, 25, parliamentary assistant to Romford MP
Andrew Rosindell.

Havering Magistrates heard the assault took place outside Romford Railway
Station on 4 May, 2005.

On Tuesday campaign manager Harding, a married father-of-two, was ordered to
serve 100 hours community service.

He was also convicted of using threatening or abusive words or behaviour
after the incident.

Harding had been part of two competing groups of Tory and Labour canvassers
who had gathered outside the railway station.

Subject: Oldham NuLabCur Councillor Held After Drugs Find !
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4659496.stm
A Labour councillor has been questioned by police in connection with the
discovery of drugs in the wheel arch of a car.
Councillor Asaf Ali, who represents Alexandra Ward on Oldham Council, was
arrested on Friday night.
A substantial amount of money was also seized from a house and inquiries
by
Greater Manchester Police were continuing over the weekend.
Subject: Berkshire Council Meeting Ends In Disarray !
Reads like a parody, but it's true !
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A LABOUR chief 'made an obscene gesture' to rivals after he was expelled
from the council chamber in unprecedented scenes at the town hall.
Labour deputy James Swindlehurst (Lab: Cippenham Green) allegedly made a
'V-sign' as he swept out of the room with the entire opposition who left
with him in protest.
The mass walk-out came during a particularly ill-tempered council meeting
on
Monday night.
Council boss Cheryl Coppell, who had stepped out of the meeting, watched
stunned as Labour members flooded the lobby where she was eating a tub of
pasta salad.
Earlier there were bizarre scenes when independent Tory Balvinder Dhillon
(Con: Upton) spent several minutes criticising Labour Cllr Jagjit Grewal.
Mr Dhillon had been ordered by the Standards Board to apologise for
threatening behaviour towards Mr Grewal (Lab: Kedermister) after a meeting
last year.
But it was only when with expulsion from the chamber that Mr Dhillon
finally
read a statement of 'unreserved' apology 'from the bottom of my heart'.
The ejection row then began during a Labour motion calling on the council
to
subsidise traditional Muslim burials to the tune of £1,000.
During his response, council leader Richard Stokes (Lib: Haymill) became
annoyed at repeated interjections from Cllr Swindlehurst and moved for his
ejection.
When this was voted through, Cllr Swindlehurst and around eight colleagues
marched out to thunderous applause from ruling BILLD councillors and
Tories.
Veteran Labour firebrand Lydia Simmons, (Lab: Central) told Mayor Latif
Khan: "It's disgusting that you have allowed this motion (to eject Cllr
Swindlehurst)."
The exit meant Labour's motion to organise a celebration to mark the 200th
anniversary of the end of the slave trade was scrapped.
Remaining councillors wanted it recorded in the minutes that Cllr
Swindlehurst had stuck two fingers up as he left the chamber.
Last summer, Cllr Swindlehurst was rapped by standard's watchdogs and made
to apologise when he told Britwell councillor Sean Wright to 'S*** my
c**k'.
A FORMER Tower Hamlets councillor and his younger brother have admitted
pilfering £30,000 from a council-backed East End children's programme.
Nasir Uddin, ex-Labour councillor for the St Dunstan's and Stepney ward,
and
his younger brother, Ain Uddin, dramatically changed their pleas today
(Weds) at Southwark Crown Court in a fraud trial also involving Kumar
Murshid, a serving member of Tower Hamlets council and a former top
advisor
to London Mayor Ken Livingstone.
Nasir Uddin, 33, now of Cotswold Gardens, East Ham, admitted taking
£15,694
for personal gain from the Stepney-based Youth Action Scheme four years
ago.
He also admitted illegally transferring £10,000 from the scheme to
Deshbangla TV, a Bow-based Bangladeshi media and training company.
He also pleaded guilty to stealing £4,262 from Youth Action Scheme for the
benefit of his brother, Ain, 32, of East India Dock Road.
Ain Uddin admitted stealing a further £5,985 from the scheme between 2000
and 2002, the court heard.
The brothers were bailed until sentencing, expected in three weeks.
Labour worker 'groomed teenager'

A former Labour Party organiser abducted and took to bed a 13-year-old boy
he had groomed on the internet, a court has heard.

Peter Tuffley, 28, was working in the North West when he met the youngster.

Mr Tuffley and the boy swapped emails before kissing and cuddling at the
regional organiser's Liverpool home, Bolton Crown Court heard.

Mr Tuffley, now living in East Sussex, denies grooming, child abduction and
sexual activity with a child.

The youngster's parents had called police after he failed to return home.

Mr Tuffley was arrested the next day - telling officers he thought the boy
was over 16.

Internet chatroom

Mr Tuffley, who now lives at Pipersfield, Ridgewood, East Sussex, has since
resigned from his position with the Labour Party.

When police checked Mr Tuffley's computer they found an exchange of messages
between the two, which the prosecution alleged showed Mr Tuffley must have
known he was underage

The boy, referred to in court as Boy A, first contacted Mr Tuffley through
an internet chatroom and dating website.

The youngster, then aged 13, claimed to be 18 on the website, was gay and
from the North West.

But he told police later he had admitted to Mr Tuffley he was still at
school - but had said he was aged 15, not 13.

Mobile phone text messages and emails between the two were shown to the
jury.

"You can see from the content they demonstrated a childish infatuation from
boy A for the defendant and the defendant was interested about meeting him,"
Geoff Whelan, prosecuting, said.

'Willing participant'

After more messages were exchanged the boy, who is from Bolton, asked to
meet up and Mr Tuffley agreed.

One message from Mr Tuffley read: "I will get your drink in, you little
alky. I hope we can manage more than a minute when we do it."

On 12 March, Mr Tuffley is alleged to have picked the boy up from school,
before driving him driving back to his flat.

They watched videos then got into bed together, the court heard. The boy
said they kissed.

Tuffley told officers the boy's internet profile claimed he was 18 and he
assumed the youngster was in the sixth form at school.

Mr Whelan added: "The key issue is age. There is no doubt boy A was a
willing participant in whatever activity took place.

"The problem for the defendant is boy A was a 13-year-old boy. A child in
the eye's of the law. There is ample evidence the defendant knew his age."

The case continues.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/manchester/5368488.stm

Published: 2006/09/21 16:58:06 GMT

Another crooked Labour Councilor bites the dust - after 16 years as a
Labour Councilor, David Tomlin is looking at a possible jail sentence
for dishonestly claiming £6,500 in benefits.

A shamed Tees councillor was today facing possible jail after he
dishonestly claimed £6,500 in benefits.

He has resigned from the Normanby Labour Party but has not said
whether he will step down as a councilor.

No wonder the voters are switching to the B.N.P.

You can read more about this squalid little person here.

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/news/tm_headline=shamed&method=full&objectid=18625813&siteid=109975-name_page.html

© BBC MMVI

Granny-Beater Labour Councillor Nov 2006-11-14

Doug Haw got pissed and punched his 83 year-old widowed neighbour in the
face leaving her bleeding. The respect agenda has clearly not reached
everyone in the Labour party, he has resigned as a councillor and quit his
job as Labour MP Mark Todd's agent. He was sentenced to nine-months jail
time.

Haw is also currently awaiting magistrates' court trials over two separate
charges of assault and criminal damage.





Ex-council leader's election ban

The former leader of Hull City Council, Colin Inglis, has been barred from
standing for his own party at next year's local elections.

National officials meeting in Hull on Sunday decided to extend his
suspension by five months until 31 May 2007.

That means the Myton ward councillor will be unable to stand for Labour at
the local council elections on 3 May.

Mr Inglis had breached party rules, including supporting a no-confidence
vote in the ruling Labour group.

That paved the way for the Liberal Democrats to take control of the council
last May.

Mr Inglis told BBC Look North that he wanted to continue serving as a
councillor and was considering his options, including whether to stand as an
independent.

He was originally suspended by Labour 18 months ago when he was arrested and
charged over child abuse allegations dating back to the 1980s, when he was
employed as a social worker at a residential home in east Hull.

He was cleared of 10 charges of indecent assault in July after a two-week
trial at Leeds Crown Court.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/humber/6168499.stm

Published: 2006/12/11 10:49:17 GMT

© BBC MMVI







Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman - Convicted and
jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.

Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate (Sheffield), Francis Butler-
Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.

Lib-Dem Councillor (Stockport) Neil Derbyshire - Sexually assaulted a
16-year old boy in a public toilet. He was caught with a plastic bag
containing lubricant, plastic surgical gloves, a condom, and underpants.

Lib-Dem Councillor (Preston), Bill Chadwick - Charged with: Making an
indecent photograph of a child, Incitement to rape, Incitement to murder,
Incitement to kidnap, and Incitement to torture. Chadwick's gay lover - Alan
Valentine, is also a Lib-Dem councillor.

Lib-Dem councillor (North Norfolk), Catherine Wilkins - Also a nurse until
she was struck off the nursing register after being found guilty of
mistreating patients and abusive behaviour.

Lib-Dem Parliamentary candidate (Burnley), Paul Wright - Charged with
drunken assault on his `lodger`. Wright sobbed like a baby during the court
case, and the case is to be re-listed and heard again after the jury failed
to reach a verdict.

Lib-Dem Councillor (Sheffield) Trevor Morgan - Convicted and jailed for 9
months for unlawful wounding/dangerous driving. After attacking an elderly
woman's Golden retriever dog by throwing pepper in its face, he then
seriously injured the dog's owner - 57-year old Barbara Johnson, with his
car as she tried to stop him escaping.

Lib-Dem Councillor (Peterborough), Michael Jackson - Prosecuted for 21
counts of Theft and False Accounting.

3 Lib-Dem Councillors convicted and jailed for Election Fraud in Hackney in
2001

12 Lib-Dem officials convicted of Election Fraud in Oldham in 2001.

Lib-Dem councillor (Portsmouth), Ray Race - Convicted and jailed for 4
months for election rigging, along with Lib-Dem colleague Michael Hayward.
Race was arrested again in July 2003 for threatening a witness who helped to
convict him.

Julie Roberts - Convicted of 9 counts of benefit fraud last year (2003). 2
weeks after the court case, she was elected as a Lib-Dem councillor in
Leicester!

Lib-Dem councillor (Lambeth), Gabriel Fernandez - Forced to resign after
being investigated for benefit fraud.



Councillors probed over interests

An independent consultant is reviewing personal interests of members of a
Cornish local authority.

Richard Penn is checking that all councillors have been scrupulous in their
decision making and have declared all their relevant personal interests.

Restormel Borough Council called in Mr Penn following allegations relating
to former leader Councillor Joan Vincent.

The council has asked the Standards Board for England to conduct a separate
review relating to Ms Vincent.

The board said the complaints it had been asked to investigate related to
the local government code of conduct.

Sale inquiry

They are that Ms Vincent allegedly attempted to secure an advantage or
disadvantage over a council matter and that she allegedly failed to declare
a personal interest in a matter.

The complaints are also that she allegedly failed to withdraw from a meeting
at which she had a personal interest and that she allegedly sought to
influence a decision in which she had a prejudicial interest.

Last year it was revealed that a farmhouse with an acre of land owned by
china clay firm Imerys was sold between 2001 and 2003 to Ms Vincent for
£7,500.

The land, at Great Treverbyn, was then sold for £170,000 last year.

The BBC understands this property sale relates to one of the allegations
made against Ms Vincent.

Imerys is conducting its own inquiry into the sale and said it was not
likely to be finished until at least the end of January.

Ms Vincent, who has been suspended from the Liberal Democrats pending the
result of the inquiries, said she had been advised not to comment until they
were finished.

Mr Penn is expected to report by the end of February.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/cornwall/6243795.stm

Published: 2007/01/09 12:06:04 GMT

© BBC MMVII



Councillors guilty of voting scam

Two Liberal Democrat councillors have been found guilty of rigging a local
election in Burnley, Lancashire.

Mozaquir Ali, 44, and Manzur Hussain, 58, obtained more than 160 proxy votes
in the 2004 local government elections.

Preston Crown Court heard the men took advantage of an all-postal vote to
ensure Ali's re-election in the Daneshouse with Stoneyholme ward.

They were found guilty of conspiring to defraud the returning officer of
Burnley Borough Council.



Lib Dem donor faces fraud charges The Liberal Democrats have moved to
distance themselves from their biggest donor following his arrest on fraud
charges in Spain.

Scottish businessman Michael Brown is being extradited to the UK to face a
number of charges including fraud, forgery and obtaining by deception.

Mr Brown donated more than £2m to the Lib Dems ahead of the last election.

But a party spokesman stressed there was "no connection" between the charges
and Mr Brown's donations.

Scotland Yard said the arrest was not connected with the ongoing
cash-for-honours inquiry, or any Metropolitan Police investigation.

Mr Brown, a 40-year-old tax exile, is one of Scotland's wealthiest men, with
an estimated fortune of about £10m.

He was the subject of an Electoral Commission investigation last year after
it emerged he was not registered vote in the UK - despite bankrolling the
Lib Dems' election campaign.

Kennedy 'muppets'

But the watchdog later found it was "permissible" for the party to have
accepted the cash from the financier's Swiss-based company 5th Avenue.

He later said he gave the money because he believed in then leader Charles
Kennedy's ability as a future prime minister "but not the muppets who
purport to serve him".

A Liberal Democrat spokesman said: "We are not aware that this has any
connection whatsoever with the Liberal Democrats.

"Any further action is a matter for the police and the relevant
authorities."

A spokesman for the Serious and Organised Crime agency later said Mr Brown
was arrested under a European arrest warrant issued by the UK.

"We can confirm that a European arrest warrant was issued for Michael Brown
and he has been arrested by Spanish authorities," he said.

Mr Brown is accused of a number of offences relating to fraud, forgery, and
obtaining by deception.

Mr Brown is expected to be flown to the UK to face the charges in about 10
days time.

He made a brief appearance behind closed doors before an investigating judge
at the National Criminal Court on Friday, after being flown to Madrid from
Majorca.

He told the judge that he was prepared to be taken back to Britain and would
not fight extradition. He was ordered to the top security prison at
Valdemora, just south of Madrid.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk_politics/4931660.stm

Published: 2006/04/21 16:28:26 GMT



Ex-council boss admits sex attack

A former Derby City Council leader has been given a nine-month prison
sentence suspended for a year for indecently assaulting a seven-year-old
boy.

Maurice Burgess, 58, pleaded guilty at Nottingham Crown Court to assaulting
the boy 23 years ago.

The court heard the former Liberal Democrat councillor had a similar
conviction dating back to 1971.

He was leader of the council from 2003 until July 2005 and an Abbey ward
councillor until May 2006.

The assault happened on an occasion when the boy had visited Burgess's home
to help fold political leaflets.

The court heard Burgess's victim was a regular visitor. His father was a
friend of Burgess.

Burgess became leader after Labour lost overall control of the city council
and his group formed a coalition with the Conservatives.

Tougher procedures

Just over two years later, Labour regained control.

In October 2005 a police investigation into allegations of indecent assault
by Burgess was made public and he was suspended by the Lib Dems.

He continued as an independent member until he stepped down at the May
elections.

Under the Local Government Act 1972, candidates at an election do not have
to disclose convictions that occurred more than five years previously.

The Liberal Democrats in Derby have now toughened their procedures for
selecting candidates.

Current party leader Councillor Hilary Jones said people wishing to stand
for the party were required to disclose all previous misdemeanours.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/derbyshire/6193411.stm

Published: 2006/12/19 14:15:55 GMT

© BBC MMVI



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COUNCILLOR is facing arrest for the second time this year after failing to
turn up at Maidenhead magistrates court on Wednesday.
But when the Express confronted Councillor Mushtaq Hayat later that day,
he
seemed unware of the danger he was in.
Cllr Hayat, a Slough Lib Dem, is also facing charges of allowing his pizza
restaurant to be infested with cockroaches for the second time. He failed
to
appear before magistrates on Wednesday, when a warrant for his arrest was
issued.
In December last year, his restaurant Halal Pizza Place, in Bradley Road,
Slough, was closed down temporarily after it was found to be infested.
The former chairman of the borough health panel also failed to turn up for
a
court appearance last month and a warrant was issued for his arrest at the
time.
Hayat has already has one conviction over a cockroach infestation and was
given a rap over the knuckles by healthy and safety bosses.
The 46-year-old from Wexham Road, Slough, was fined £3,000 plus £1,500
hygiene costs in March 2003.
Inspectors found evidence of an infestation by German cockroaches at the
Halal Pizza Palace when they visited in January 2002.
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Roderick Rowley, who stood as a candidate for the BNP in Coventry's
Woodlands Ward in the local elections in 2004, was jailed for 15 months in
December after sending obscene images involving children.
Post by VAN DIESEL
When the loony left try to make out the BNP are nought but criminals,
please remember the BNP did NOT lie to Parliament, Did not Illegally start
a war that has cost 141 British lives and 600,000 Iraqi Lives, But below
are just a few of the things your beloved lefties did do when not inciting
race races in West Yorks.
Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed
for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys. (2001)
Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed
for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.
Labour Mayor (Westhoughton) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10
years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault.
Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and
threats to kill.
Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at
Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old
girl on 2 separate occasions.
Labour's current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2
Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.
Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public
toilet.
Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party
activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before
he could be convicted.
Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to
advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as "Horny
as buggery" and says, "I'd love a good long f***".
Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising
for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in
some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. "I was only looking for
badgers," he said.
Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days
after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his
Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.
According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers
said to be "Household names" appear on the `Operation Ore` list of
subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation,
which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr
Blair?
Labour Councillor (Wales) Denis Jones - Convicted and jailed for unlawful
wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.
Labour Councillor (Wales) Ken Brookman - Bit off a mans ear in a dispute
over a seat on a train!
Labour Councillor (Sandwell) Mohamed Niwaz convicted of illegally obtaining
£20,000 in Housing Grants.
Labour councillors in Doncaster - 23 Convicted and 2 jailed for massive
fraud, corruption and theft of public funds. Investigation also uncovered
massive Labour Party corruption in neighbouring Rotherham.
Labour Party Councillor (Blackburn), Mohammed Hussein - arrested together
with 6 Labour activists on suspicion of Election rigging.
Labour Party Euro MP, David Martin is currently being investigated for an
alleged expenses fraud involving `hundreds of thousands of pounds`.
Tony Blair recently appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his
wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the
fact he has a drugs conviction.
Labour Party MSP Mike Watson imprisoned for arson.
Councillor guilty of killing gull A Devon district councillor who shot a
seagull to stop it spreading disease has been found guilty of
intentionally killing a wild bird.
Dr Brian Boughton, 62, of South Ford Road, Dartmouth, used an air rifle to
shoot the seagull that had nested in his roof.
He denied the 1981 Wildlife and Countryside Act section 1(1)A offence.
He was conditionally discharged for a year and ordered to pay £400 costs
by Totnes Magistrates on Wednesday.
Ex-mayor's computer images arrest A former leader of Swansea Council has
been arrested after indecent images were allegedly found on his
council-issue laptop computer.
Lawrence Bailey, 51, has "emphatically denied" the claims and was given
police bail following his arrest on Friday.
The councillor said he had given police his complete co-operation.
A former Lord Mayor of Swansea, he stood down as Labour leader in 2004
after the party lost power in the city for the first time in 25 years.
In identical statements given to the Swansea-based Evening Post and the
Western Mail Mr Bailey said: "My family and I are shattered by these
events and we are anxious for the matter to be resolved quickly.
"I have emphatically denied these allegations and following my brief
arrest on Friday evening, I was released without charge the same night.
"I have given the police my complete co-operation in their investigations
and am in no doubt that this matter will be fully resolved."
Mr Bailey is a Labour county councillor for the Birchgrove ward in the city.
A spokesman for South Wales Police said: "We have arrested a 51-year-old
man in relation to possession of indecent images.
"He has been bailed pending further inquiries."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/wales/south_west/4984308.stm
Published: 2006/05/08 11:42:49 GMT
© BBC MMVI
LABOUR party canvasser David Harding, 48, of Hornchurch, Essex was
convicted of assaulting Robert Benham, 25, parliamentary assistant to
Romford MP Andrew Rosindell.
Havering Magistrates heard the assault took place outside Romford Railway
Station on 4 May, 2005.
On Tuesday campaign manager Harding, a married father-of-two, was ordered
to serve 100 hours community service.
He was also convicted of using threatening or abusive words or behaviour
after the incident.
Harding had been part of two competing groups of Tory and Labour
canvassers who had gathered outside the railway station.
Subject: Oldham NuLabCur Councillor Held After Drugs Find !
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4659496.stm
A Labour councillor has been questioned by police in connection with the
discovery of drugs in the wheel arch of a car.
Councillor Asaf Ali, who represents Alexandra Ward on Oldham Council, was
arrested on Friday night.
A substantial amount of money was also seized from a house and inquiries
by
Greater Manchester Police were continuing over the weekend.
Subject: Berkshire Council Meeting Ends In Disarray !
Reads like a parody, but it's true !
http://tinyurl.com/ce5wo
A LABOUR chief 'made an obscene gesture' to rivals after he was expelled
from the council chamber in unprecedented scenes at the town hall.
Labour deputy James Swindlehurst (Lab: Cippenham Green) allegedly made a
'V-sign' as he swept out of the room with the entire opposition who left
with him in protest.
The mass walk-out came during a particularly ill-tempered council meeting
on
Monday night.
Council boss Cheryl Coppell, who had stepped out of the meeting, watched
stunned as Labour members flooded the lobby where she was eating a tub of
pasta salad.
Earlier there were bizarre scenes when independent Tory Balvinder Dhillon
(Con: Upton) spent several minutes criticising Labour Cllr Jagjit Grewal.
Mr Dhillon had been ordered by the Standards Board to apologise for
threatening behaviour towards Mr Grewal (Lab: Kedermister) after a meeting
last year.
But it was only when with expulsion from the chamber that Mr Dhillon
finally
read a statement of 'unreserved' apology 'from the bottom of my heart'.
The ejection row then began during a Labour motion calling on the council
to
subsidise traditional Muslim burials to the tune of £1,000.
During his response, council leader Richard Stokes (Lib: Haymill) became
annoyed at repeated interjections from Cllr Swindlehurst and moved for his
ejection.
When this was voted through, Cllr Swindlehurst and around eight colleagues
marched out to thunderous applause from ruling BILLD councillors and
Tories.
Veteran Labour firebrand Lydia Simmons, (Lab: Central) told Mayor Latif
Khan: "It's disgusting that you have allowed this motion (to eject Cllr
Swindlehurst)."
The exit meant Labour's motion to organise a celebration to mark the 200th
anniversary of the end of the slave trade was scrapped.
Remaining councillors wanted it recorded in the minutes that Cllr
Swindlehurst had stuck two fingers up as he left the chamber.
Last summer, Cllr Swindlehurst was rapped by standard's watchdogs and made
to apologise when he told Britwell councillor Sean Wright to 'S*** my
c**k'.
A FORMER Tower Hamlets councillor and his younger brother have admitted
pilfering £30,000 from a council-backed East End children's programme.
Nasir Uddin, ex-Labour councillor for the St Dunstan's and Stepney ward,
and
his younger brother, Ain Uddin, dramatically changed their pleas today
(Weds) at Southwark Crown Court in a fraud trial also involving Kumar
Murshid, a serving member of Tower Hamlets council and a former top
advisor
to London Mayor Ken Livingstone.
Nasir Uddin, 33, now of Cotswold Gardens, East Ham, admitted taking
£15,694
for personal gain from the Stepney-based Youth Action Scheme four years
ago.
He also admitted illegally transferring £10,000 from the scheme to
Deshbangla TV, a Bow-based Bangladeshi media and training company.
He also pleaded guilty to stealing £4,262 from Youth Action Scheme for the
benefit of his brother, Ain, 32, of East India Dock Road.
Ain Uddin admitted stealing a further £5,985 from the scheme between 2000
and 2002, the court heard.
The brothers were bailed until sentencing, expected in three weeks.
Labour worker 'groomed teenager'
A former Labour Party organiser abducted and took to bed a 13-year-old boy
he had groomed on the internet, a court has heard.
Peter Tuffley, 28, was working in the North West when he met the youngster.
Mr Tuffley and the boy swapped emails before kissing and cuddling at the
regional organiser's Liverpool home, Bolton Crown Court heard.
Mr Tuffley, now living in East Sussex, denies grooming, child abduction
and sexual activity with a child.
The youngster's parents had called police after he failed to return home.
Mr Tuffley was arrested the next day - telling officers he thought the boy
was over 16.
Internet chatroom
Mr Tuffley, who now lives at Pipersfield, Ridgewood, East Sussex, has
since resigned from his position with the Labour Party.
When police checked Mr Tuffley's computer they found an exchange of
messages between the two, which the prosecution alleged showed Mr Tuffley
must have known he was underage
The boy, referred to in court as Boy A, first contacted Mr Tuffley through
an internet chatroom and dating website.
The youngster, then aged 13, claimed to be 18 on the website, was gay and
from the North West.
But he told police later he had admitted to Mr Tuffley he was still at
school - but had said he was aged 15, not 13.
Mobile phone text messages and emails between the two were shown to the
jury.
"You can see from the content they demonstrated a childish infatuation
from boy A for the defendant and the defendant was interested about
meeting him," Geoff Whelan, prosecuting, said.
'Willing participant'
After more messages were exchanged the boy, who is from Bolton, asked to
meet up and Mr Tuffley agreed.
One message from Mr Tuffley read: "I will get your drink in, you little
alky. I hope we can manage more than a minute when we do it."
On 12 March, Mr Tuffley is alleged to have picked the boy up from school,
before driving him driving back to his flat.
They watched videos then got into bed together, the court heard. The boy
said they kissed.
Tuffley told officers the boy's internet profile claimed he was 18 and he
assumed the youngster was in the sixth form at school.
Mr Whelan added: "The key issue is age. There is no doubt boy A was a
willing participant in whatever activity took place.
"The problem for the defendant is boy A was a 13-year-old boy. A child in
the eye's of the law. There is ample evidence the defendant knew his age."
The case continues.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/manchester/5368488.stm
Published: 2006/09/21 16:58:06 GMT
Another crooked Labour Councilor bites the dust - after 16 years as a
Labour Councilor, David Tomlin is looking at a possible jail sentence
for dishonestly claiming £6,500 in benefits.
A shamed Tees councillor was today facing possible jail after he
dishonestly claimed £6,500 in benefits.
He has resigned from the Normanby Labour Party but has not said
whether he will step down as a councilor.
No wonder the voters are switching to the B.N.P.
You can read more about this squalid little person here.
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/news/tm_headline=shamed&method=full&objectid=18625813&siteid=109975-name_page.html
© BBC MMVI
Granny-Beater Labour Councillor Nov 2006-11-14
Doug Haw got pissed and punched his 83 year-old widowed neighbour in the
face leaving her bleeding. The respect agenda has clearly not reached
everyone in the Labour party, he has resigned as a councillor and quit his
job as Labour MP Mark Todd's agent. He was sentenced to nine-months jail
time.
Haw is also currently awaiting magistrates' court trials over two separate
charges of assault and criminal damage.
Ex-council leader's election ban
The former leader of Hull City Council, Colin Inglis, has been barred from
standing for his own party at next year's local elections.
National officials meeting in Hull on Sunday decided to extend his
suspension by five months until 31 May 2007.
That means the Myton ward councillor will be unable to stand for Labour at
the local council elections on 3 May.
Mr Inglis had breached party rules, including supporting a no-confidence
vote in the ruling Labour group.
That paved the way for the Liberal Democrats to take control of the
council last May.
Mr Inglis told BBC Look North that he wanted to continue serving as a
councillor and was considering his options, including whether to stand as
an independent.
He was originally suspended by Labour 18 months ago when he was arrested
and charged over child abuse allegations dating back to the 1980s, when he
was employed as a social worker at a residential home in east Hull.
He was cleared of 10 charges of indecent assault in July after a two-week
trial at Leeds Crown Court.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/humber/6168499.stm
Published: 2006/12/11 10:49:17 GMT
© BBC MMVI
Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman - Convicted and
jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.
Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate (Sheffield), Francis Butler-
Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.
Lib-Dem Councillor (Stockport) Neil Derbyshire - Sexually assaulted a
16-year old boy in a public toilet. He was caught with a plastic bag
containing lubricant, plastic surgical gloves, a condom, and underpants.
Lib-Dem Councillor (Preston), Bill Chadwick - Charged with: Making an
indecent photograph of a child, Incitement to rape, Incitement to murder,
Incitement to kidnap, and Incitement to torture. Chadwick's gay lover - Alan
Valentine, is also a Lib-Dem councillor.
Lib-Dem councillor (North Norfolk), Catherine Wilkins - Also a nurse until
she was struck off the nursing register after being found guilty of
mistreating patients and abusive behaviour.
Lib-Dem Parliamentary candidate (Burnley), Paul Wright - Charged with
drunken assault on his `lodger`. Wright sobbed like a baby during the court
case, and the case is to be re-listed and heard again after the jury failed
to reach a verdict.
Lib-Dem Councillor (Sheffield) Trevor Morgan - Convicted and jailed for 9
months for unlawful wounding/dangerous driving. After attacking an elderly
woman's Golden retriever dog by throwing pepper in its face, he then
seriously injured the dog's owner - 57-year old Barbara Johnson, with his
car as she tried to stop him escaping.
Lib-Dem Councillor (Peterborough), Michael Jackson - Prosecuted for 21
counts of Theft and False Accounting.
3 Lib-Dem Councillors convicted and jailed for Election Fraud in Hackney in
2001
12 Lib-Dem officials convicted of Election Fraud in Oldham in 2001.
Lib-Dem councillor (Portsmouth), Ray Race - Convicted and jailed for 4
months for election rigging, along with Lib-Dem colleague Michael Hayward.
Race was arrested again in July 2003 for threatening a witness who helped to
convict him.
Julie Roberts - Convicted of 9 counts of benefit fraud last year (2003). 2
weeks after the court case, she was elected as a Lib-Dem councillor in
Leicester!
Lib-Dem councillor (Lambeth), Gabriel Fernandez - Forced to resign after
being investigated for benefit fraud.
Councillors probed over interests
An independent consultant is reviewing personal interests of members of a
Cornish local authority.
Richard Penn is checking that all councillors have been scrupulous in
their decision making and have declared all their relevant personal
interests.
Restormel Borough Council called in Mr Penn following allegations relating
to former leader Councillor Joan Vincent.
The council has asked the Standards Board for England to conduct a
separate review relating to Ms Vincent.
The board said the complaints it had been asked to investigate related to
the local government code of conduct.
Sale inquiry
They are that Ms Vincent allegedly attempted to secure an advantage or
disadvantage over a council matter and that she allegedly failed to
declare a personal interest in a matter.
The complaints are also that she allegedly failed to withdraw from a
meeting at which she had a personal interest and that she allegedly sought
to influence a decision in which she had a prejudicial interest.
Last year it was revealed that a farmhouse with an acre of land owned by
china clay firm Imerys was sold between 2001 and 2003 to Ms Vincent for
£7,500.
The land, at Great Treverbyn, was then sold for £170,000 last year.
The BBC understands this property sale relates to one of the allegations
made against Ms Vincent.
Imerys is conducting its own inquiry into the sale and said it was not
likely to be finished until at least the end of January.
Ms Vincent, who has been suspended from the Liberal Democrats pending the
result of the inquiries, said she had been advised not to comment until
they were finished.
Mr Penn is expected to report by the end of February.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/cornwall/6243795.stm
Published: 2007/01/09 12:06:04 GMT
© BBC MMVII
Councillors guilty of voting scam
Two Liberal Democrat councillors have been found guilty of rigging a local
election in Burnley, Lancashire.
Mozaquir Ali, 44, and Manzur Hussain, 58, obtained more than 160 proxy
votes in the 2004 local government elections.
Preston Crown Court heard the men took advantage of an all-postal vote to
ensure Ali's re-election in the Daneshouse with Stoneyholme ward.
They were found guilty of conspiring to defraud the returning officer of
Burnley Borough Council.
Lib Dem donor faces fraud charges The Liberal Democrats have moved to
distance themselves from their biggest donor following his arrest on fraud
charges in Spain.
Scottish businessman Michael Brown is being extradited to the UK to face a
number of charges including fraud, forgery and obtaining by deception.
Mr Brown donated more than £2m to the Lib Dems ahead of the last election.
But a party spokesman stressed there was "no connection" between the
charges and Mr Brown's donations.
Scotland Yard said the arrest was not connected with the ongoing
cash-for-honours inquiry, or any Metropolitan Police investigation.
Mr Brown, a 40-year-old tax exile, is one of Scotland's wealthiest men,
with an estimated fortune of about £10m.
He was the subject of an Electoral Commission investigation last year
after it emerged he was not registered vote in the UK - despite
bankrolling the Lib Dems' election campaign.
Kennedy 'muppets'
But the watchdog later found it was "permissible" for the party to have
accepted the cash from the financier's Swiss-based company 5th Avenue.
He later said he gave the money because he believed in then leader Charles
Kennedy's ability as a future prime minister "but not the muppets who
purport to serve him".
A Liberal Democrat spokesman said: "We are not aware that this has any
connection whatsoever with the Liberal Democrats.
"Any further action is a matter for the police and the relevant
authorities."
A spokesman for the Serious and Organised Crime agency later said Mr Brown
was arrested under a European arrest warrant issued by the UK.
"We can confirm that a European arrest warrant was issued for Michael
Brown and he has been arrested by Spanish authorities," he said.
Mr Brown is accused of a number of offences relating to fraud, forgery,
and obtaining by deception.
Mr Brown is expected to be flown to the UK to face the charges in about 10
days time.
He made a brief appearance behind closed doors before an investigating
judge at the National Criminal Court on Friday, after being flown to
Madrid from Majorca.
He told the judge that he was prepared to be taken back to Britain and
would not fight extradition. He was ordered to the top security prison at
Valdemora, just south of Madrid.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk_politics/4931660.stm
Published: 2006/04/21 16:28:26 GMT
Ex-council boss admits sex attack
A former Derby City Council leader has been given a nine-month prison
sentence suspended for a year for indecently assaulting a seven-year-old
boy.
Maurice Burgess, 58, pleaded guilty at Nottingham Crown Court to
assaulting the boy 23 years ago.
The court heard the former Liberal Democrat councillor had a similar
conviction dating back to 1971.
He was leader of the council from 2003 until July 2005 and an Abbey ward
councillor until May 2006.
The assault happened on an occasion when the boy had visited Burgess's
home to help fold political leaflets.
The court heard Burgess's victim was a regular visitor. His father was a
friend of Burgess.
Burgess became leader after Labour lost overall control of the city
council and his group formed a coalition with the Conservatives.
Tougher procedures
Just over two years later, Labour regained control.
In October 2005 a police investigation into allegations of indecent
assault by Burgess was made public and he was suspended by the Lib Dems.
He continued as an independent member until he stepped down at the May
elections.
Under the Local Government Act 1972, candidates at an election do not have
to disclose convictions that occurred more than five years previously.
The Liberal Democrats in Derby have now toughened their procedures for
selecting candidates.
Current party leader Councillor Hilary Jones said people wishing to stand
for the party were required to disclose all previous misdemeanours.
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Published: 2006/12/19 14:15:55 GMT
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COUNCILLOR is facing arrest for the second time this year after failing to
turn up at Maidenhead magistrates court on Wednesday.
But when the Express confronted Councillor Mushtaq Hayat later that day,
he
seemed unware of the danger he was in.
Cllr Hayat, a Slough Lib Dem, is also facing charges of allowing his pizza
restaurant to be infested with cockroaches for the second time. He failed
to
appear before magistrates on Wednesday, when a warrant for his arrest was
issued.
In December last year, his restaurant Halal Pizza Place, in Bradley Road,
Slough, was closed down temporarily after it was found to be infested.
The former chairman of the borough health panel also failed to turn up
for a
court appearance last month and a warrant was issued for his arrest at the
time.
Hayat has already has one conviction over a cockroach infestation and was
given a rap over the knuckles by healthy and safety bosses.
The 46-year-old from Wexham Road, Slough, was fined £3,000 plus £1,500
hygiene costs in March 2003.
Inspectors found evidence of an infestation by German cockroaches at the
Halal Pizza Palace when they visited in January 2002.
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Roderick Rowley, who stood as a candidate for the BNP in Coventry's
Woodlands Ward in the local elections in 2004, was jailed for 15 months in
December after sending obscene images involving children.
So you found one bad apple? Basket fulls though from the other
parties......The BNP throw bad apples away,the LIB/LAB/CON promote them
"
Post by VAN DIESEL
When the loony left try to make out the BNP are nought but criminals,
please remember the BNP did NOT lie to Parliament, Did not Illegally
start a war that has cost 141 British lives and 600,000 Iraqi Lives, But
below are just a few of the things your beloved lefties did do when not
inciting race races in West Yorks.
Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed
for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys. (2001)
Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed
for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.
Labour Mayor (Westhoughton) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10
years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault.
Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and
threats to kill.
Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at
Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old
girl on 2 separate occasions.
Labour's current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2
Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.
Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public
toilet.
Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party
activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before
he could be convicted.
Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to
advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as "Horny
as buggery" and says, "I'd love a good long f***".
Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising
for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in
some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. "I was only looking for
badgers," he said.
Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days
after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his
Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.
According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers
said to be "Household names" appear on the `Operation Ore` list of
subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation,
which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr
Blair?
Labour Councillor (Wales) Denis Jones - Convicted and jailed for unlawful
wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.
Labour Councillor (Wales) Ken Brookman - Bit off a mans ear in a dispute
over a seat on a train!
Labour Councillor (Sandwell) Mohamed Niwaz convicted of illegally obtaining
£20,000 in Housing Grants.
Labour councillors in Doncaster - 23 Convicted and 2 jailed for massive
fraud, corruption and theft of public funds. Investigation also uncovered
massive Labour Party corruption in neighbouring Rotherham.
Labour Party Councillor (Blackburn), Mohammed Hussein - arrested together
with 6 Labour activists on suspicion of Election rigging.
Labour Party Euro MP, David Martin is currently being investigated for an
alleged expenses fraud involving `hundreds of thousands of pounds`.
Tony Blair recently appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his
wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the
fact he has a drugs conviction.
Labour Party MSP Mike Watson imprisoned for arson.
Councillor guilty of killing gull A Devon district councillor who shot a
seagull to stop it spreading disease has been found guilty of
intentionally killing a wild bird.
Dr Brian Boughton, 62, of South Ford Road, Dartmouth, used an air rifle
to shoot the seagull that had nested in his roof.
He denied the 1981 Wildlife and Countryside Act section 1(1)A offence.
He was conditionally discharged for a year and ordered to pay £400 costs
by Totnes Magistrates on Wednesday.
Ex-mayor's computer images arrest A former leader of Swansea Council has
been arrested after indecent images were allegedly found on his
council-issue laptop computer.
Lawrence Bailey, 51, has "emphatically denied" the claims and was given
police bail following his arrest on Friday.
The councillor said he had given police his complete co-operation.
A former Lord Mayor of Swansea, he stood down as Labour leader in 2004
after the party lost power in the city for the first time in 25 years.
In identical statements given to the Swansea-based Evening Post and the
Western Mail Mr Bailey said: "My family and I are shattered by these
events and we are anxious for the matter to be resolved quickly.
"I have emphatically denied these allegations and following my brief
arrest on Friday evening, I was released without charge the same night.
"I have given the police my complete co-operation in their investigations
and am in no doubt that this matter will be fully resolved."
Mr Bailey is a Labour county councillor for the Birchgrove ward in the city.
A spokesman for South Wales Police said: "We have arrested a 51-year-old
man in relation to possession of indecent images.
"He has been bailed pending further inquiries."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/wales/south_west/4984308.stm
Published: 2006/05/08 11:42:49 GMT
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LABOUR party canvasser David Harding, 48, of Hornchurch, Essex was
convicted of assaulting Robert Benham, 25, parliamentary assistant to
Romford MP Andrew Rosindell.
Havering Magistrates heard the assault took place outside Romford Railway
Station on 4 May, 2005.
On Tuesday campaign manager Harding, a married father-of-two, was ordered
to serve 100 hours community service.
He was also convicted of using threatening or abusive words or behaviour
after the incident.
Harding had been part of two competing groups of Tory and Labour
canvassers who had gathered outside the railway station.
Subject: Oldham NuLabCur Councillor Held After Drugs Find !
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4659496.stm
A Labour councillor has been questioned by police in connection with the
discovery of drugs in the wheel arch of a car.
Councillor Asaf Ali, who represents Alexandra Ward on Oldham Council, was
arrested on Friday night.
A substantial amount of money was also seized from a house and inquiries
by
Greater Manchester Police were continuing over the weekend.
Subject: Berkshire Council Meeting Ends In Disarray !
Reads like a parody, but it's true !
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A LABOUR chief 'made an obscene gesture' to rivals after he was expelled
from the council chamber in unprecedented scenes at the town hall.
Labour deputy James Swindlehurst (Lab: Cippenham Green) allegedly made a
'V-sign' as he swept out of the room with the entire opposition who left
with him in protest.
The mass walk-out came during a particularly ill-tempered council
meeting on
Monday night.
Council boss Cheryl Coppell, who had stepped out of the meeting, watched
stunned as Labour members flooded the lobby where she was eating a tub of
pasta salad.
Earlier there were bizarre scenes when independent Tory Balvinder Dhillon
(Con: Upton) spent several minutes criticising Labour Cllr Jagjit Grewal.
Mr Dhillon had been ordered by the Standards Board to apologise for
threatening behaviour towards Mr Grewal (Lab: Kedermister) after a meeting
last year.
But it was only when with expulsion from the chamber that Mr Dhillon
finally
read a statement of 'unreserved' apology 'from the bottom of my heart'.
The ejection row then began during a Labour motion calling on the
council to
subsidise traditional Muslim burials to the tune of £1,000.
During his response, council leader Richard Stokes (Lib: Haymill) became
annoyed at repeated interjections from Cllr Swindlehurst and moved for his
ejection.
When this was voted through, Cllr Swindlehurst and around eight colleagues
marched out to thunderous applause from ruling BILLD councillors and
Tories.
Veteran Labour firebrand Lydia Simmons, (Lab: Central) told Mayor Latif
Khan: "It's disgusting that you have allowed this motion (to eject Cllr
Swindlehurst)."
The exit meant Labour's motion to organise a celebration to mark the 200th
anniversary of the end of the slave trade was scrapped.
Remaining councillors wanted it recorded in the minutes that Cllr
Swindlehurst had stuck two fingers up as he left the chamber.
Last summer, Cllr Swindlehurst was rapped by standard's watchdogs and made
to apologise when he told Britwell councillor Sean Wright to 'S*** my
c**k'.
A FORMER Tower Hamlets councillor and his younger brother have admitted
pilfering £30,000 from a council-backed East End children's programme.
Nasir Uddin, ex-Labour councillor for the St Dunstan's and Stepney ward,
and
his younger brother, Ain Uddin, dramatically changed their pleas today
(Weds) at Southwark Crown Court in a fraud trial also involving Kumar
Murshid, a serving member of Tower Hamlets council and a former top
advisor
to London Mayor Ken Livingstone.
Nasir Uddin, 33, now of Cotswold Gardens, East Ham, admitted taking
£15,694
for personal gain from the Stepney-based Youth Action Scheme four years
ago.
He also admitted illegally transferring £10,000 from the scheme to
Deshbangla TV, a Bow-based Bangladeshi media and training company.
He also pleaded guilty to stealing £4,262 from Youth Action Scheme for the
benefit of his brother, Ain, 32, of East India Dock Road.
Ain Uddin admitted stealing a further £5,985 from the scheme between 2000
and 2002, the court heard.
The brothers were bailed until sentencing, expected in three weeks.
Labour worker 'groomed teenager'
A former Labour Party organiser abducted and took to bed a 13-year-old
boy he had groomed on the internet, a court has heard.
Peter Tuffley, 28, was working in the North West when he met the youngster.
Mr Tuffley and the boy swapped emails before kissing and cuddling at the
regional organiser's Liverpool home, Bolton Crown Court heard.
Mr Tuffley, now living in East Sussex, denies grooming, child abduction
and sexual activity with a child.
The youngster's parents had called police after he failed to return home.
Mr Tuffley was arrested the next day - telling officers he thought the
boy was over 16.
Internet chatroom
Mr Tuffley, who now lives at Pipersfield, Ridgewood, East Sussex, has
since resigned from his position with the Labour Party.
When police checked Mr Tuffley's computer they found an exchange of
messages between the two, which the prosecution alleged showed Mr Tuffley
must have known he was underage
The boy, referred to in court as Boy A, first contacted Mr Tuffley
through an internet chatroom and dating website.
The youngster, then aged 13, claimed to be 18 on the website, was gay and
from the North West.
But he told police later he had admitted to Mr Tuffley he was still at
school - but had said he was aged 15, not 13.
Mobile phone text messages and emails between the two were shown to the
jury.
"You can see from the content they demonstrated a childish infatuation
from boy A for the defendant and the defendant was interested about
meeting him," Geoff Whelan, prosecuting, said.
'Willing participant'
After more messages were exchanged the boy, who is from Bolton, asked to
meet up and Mr Tuffley agreed.
One message from Mr Tuffley read: "I will get your drink in, you little
alky. I hope we can manage more than a minute when we do it."
On 12 March, Mr Tuffley is alleged to have picked the boy up from school,
before driving him driving back to his flat.
They watched videos then got into bed together, the court heard. The boy
said they kissed.
Tuffley told officers the boy's internet profile claimed he was 18 and he
assumed the youngster was in the sixth form at school.
Mr Whelan added: "The key issue is age. There is no doubt boy A was a
willing participant in whatever activity took place.
"The problem for the defendant is boy A was a 13-year-old boy. A child in
the eye's of the law. There is ample evidence the defendant knew his age."
The case continues.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/manchester/5368488.stm
Published: 2006/09/21 16:58:06 GMT
Another crooked Labour Councilor bites the dust - after 16 years as a
Labour Councilor, David Tomlin is looking at a possible jail sentence
for dishonestly claiming £6,500 in benefits.
A shamed Tees councillor was today facing possible jail after he
dishonestly claimed £6,500 in benefits.
He has resigned from the Normanby Labour Party but has not said
whether he will step down as a councilor.
No wonder the voters are switching to the B.N.P.
You can read more about this squalid little person here.
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Granny-Beater Labour Councillor Nov 2006-11-14
Doug Haw got pissed and punched his 83 year-old widowed neighbour in the
face leaving her bleeding. The respect agenda has clearly not reached
everyone in the Labour party, he has resigned as a councillor and quit
his job as Labour MP Mark Todd's agent. He was sentenced to nine-months
jail time.
Haw is also currently awaiting magistrates' court trials over two
separate charges of assault and criminal damage.
Ex-council leader's election ban
The former leader of Hull City Council, Colin Inglis, has been barred
from standing for his own party at next year's local elections.
National officials meeting in Hull on Sunday decided to extend his
suspension by five months until 31 May 2007.
That means the Myton ward councillor will be unable to stand for Labour
at the local council elections on 3 May.
Mr Inglis had breached party rules, including supporting a no-confidence
vote in the ruling Labour group.
That paved the way for the Liberal Democrats to take control of the
council last May.
Mr Inglis told BBC Look North that he wanted to continue serving as a
councillor and was considering his options, including whether to stand as
an independent.
He was originally suspended by Labour 18 months ago when he was arrested
and charged over child abuse allegations dating back to the 1980s, when
he was employed as a social worker at a residential home in east Hull.
He was cleared of 10 charges of indecent assault in July after a two-week
trial at Leeds Crown Court.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/humber/6168499.stm
Published: 2006/12/11 10:49:17 GMT
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Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman - Convicted and
jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.
Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate (Sheffield), Francis Butler-
Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.
Lib-Dem Councillor (Stockport) Neil Derbyshire - Sexually assaulted a
16-year old boy in a public toilet. He was caught with a plastic bag
containing lubricant, plastic surgical gloves, a condom, and underpants.
Lib-Dem Councillor (Preston), Bill Chadwick - Charged with: Making an
indecent photograph of a child, Incitement to rape, Incitement to murder,
Incitement to kidnap, and Incitement to torture. Chadwick's gay lover - Alan
Valentine, is also a Lib-Dem councillor.
Lib-Dem councillor (North Norfolk), Catherine Wilkins - Also a nurse until
she was struck off the nursing register after being found guilty of
mistreating patients and abusive behaviour.
Lib-Dem Parliamentary candidate (Burnley), Paul Wright - Charged with
drunken assault on his `lodger`. Wright sobbed like a baby during the court
case, and the case is to be re-listed and heard again after the jury failed
to reach a verdict.
Lib-Dem Councillor (Sheffield) Trevor Morgan - Convicted and jailed for 9
months for unlawful wounding/dangerous driving. After attacking an elderly
woman's Golden retriever dog by throwing pepper in its face, he then
seriously injured the dog's owner - 57-year old Barbara Johnson, with his
car as she tried to stop him escaping.
Lib-Dem Councillor (Peterborough), Michael Jackson - Prosecuted for 21
counts of Theft and False Accounting.
3 Lib-Dem Councillors convicted and jailed for Election Fraud in Hackney in
2001
12 Lib-Dem officials convicted of Election Fraud in Oldham in 2001.
Lib-Dem councillor (Portsmouth), Ray Race - Convicted and jailed for 4
months for election rigging, along with Lib-Dem colleague Michael Hayward.
Race was arrested again in July 2003 for threatening a witness who helped to
convict him.
Julie Roberts - Convicted of 9 counts of benefit fraud last year (2003). 2
weeks after the court case, she was elected as a Lib-Dem councillor in
Leicester!
Lib-Dem councillor (Lambeth), Gabriel Fernandez - Forced to resign after
being investigated for benefit fraud.
Councillors probed over interests
An independent consultant is reviewing personal interests of members of a
Cornish local authority.
Richard Penn is checking that all councillors have been scrupulous in
their decision making and have declared all their relevant personal
interests.
Restormel Borough Council called in Mr Penn following allegations
relating to former leader Councillor Joan Vincent.
The council has asked the Standards Board for England to conduct a
separate review relating to Ms Vincent.
The board said the complaints it had been asked to investigate related to
the local government code of conduct.
Sale inquiry
They are that Ms Vincent allegedly attempted to secure an advantage or
disadvantage over a council matter and that she allegedly failed to
declare a personal interest in a matter.
The complaints are also that she allegedly failed to withdraw from a
meeting at which she had a personal interest and that she allegedly
sought to influence a decision in which she had a prejudicial interest.
Last year it was revealed that a farmhouse with an acre of land owned by
china clay firm Imerys was sold between 2001 and 2003 to Ms Vincent for
£7,500.
The land, at Great Treverbyn, was then sold for £170,000 last year.
The BBC understands this property sale relates to one of the allegations
made against Ms Vincent.
Imerys is conducting its own inquiry into the sale and said it was not
likely to be finished until at least the end of January.
Ms Vincent, who has been suspended from the Liberal Democrats pending the
result of the inquiries, said she had been advised not to comment until
they were finished.
Mr Penn is expected to report by the end of February.
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Published: 2007/01/09 12:06:04 GMT
© BBC MMVII
Councillors guilty of voting scam
Two Liberal Democrat councillors have been found guilty of rigging a
local election in Burnley, Lancashire.
Mozaquir Ali, 44, and Manzur Hussain, 58, obtained more than 160 proxy
votes in the 2004 local government elections.
Preston Crown Court heard the men took advantage of an all-postal vote to
ensure Ali's re-election in the Daneshouse with Stoneyholme ward.
They were found guilty of conspiring to defraud the returning officer of
Burnley Borough Council.
Lib Dem donor faces fraud charges The Liberal Democrats have moved to
distance themselves from their biggest donor following his arrest on
fraud charges in Spain.
Scottish businessman Michael Brown is being extradited to the UK to face
a number of charges including fraud, forgery and obtaining by deception.
Mr Brown donated more than £2m to the Lib Dems ahead of the last election.
But a party spokesman stressed there was "no connection" between the
charges and Mr Brown's donations.
Scotland Yard said the arrest was not connected with the ongoing
cash-for-honours inquiry, or any Metropolitan Police investigation.
Mr Brown, a 40-year-old tax exile, is one of Scotland's wealthiest men,
with an estimated fortune of about £10m.
He was the subject of an Electoral Commission investigation last year
after it emerged he was not registered vote in the UK - despite
bankrolling the Lib Dems' election campaign.
Kennedy 'muppets'
But the watchdog later found it was "permissible" for the party to have
accepted the cash from the financier's Swiss-based company 5th Avenue.
He later said he gave the money because he believed in then leader
Charles Kennedy's ability as a future prime minister "but not the muppets
who purport to serve him".
A Liberal Democrat spokesman said: "We are not aware that this has any
connection whatsoever with the Liberal Democrats.
"Any further action is a matter for the police and the relevant
authorities."
A spokesman for the Serious and Organised Crime agency later said Mr
Brown was arrested under a European arrest warrant issued by the UK.
"We can confirm that a European arrest warrant was issued for Michael
Brown and he has been arrested by Spanish authorities," he said.
Mr Brown is accused of a number of offences relating to fraud, forgery,
and obtaining by deception.
Mr Brown is expected to be flown to the UK to face the charges in about
10 days time.
He made a brief appearance behind closed doors before an investigating
judge at the National Criminal Court on Friday, after being flown to
Madrid from Majorca.
He told the judge that he was prepared to be taken back to Britain and
would not fight extradition. He was ordered to the top security prison at
Valdemora, just south of Madrid.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk_politics/4931660.stm
Published: 2006/04/21 16:28:26 GMT
Ex-council boss admits sex attack
A former Derby City Council leader has been given a nine-month prison
sentence suspended for a year for indecently assaulting a seven-year-old
boy.
Maurice Burgess, 58, pleaded guilty at Nottingham Crown Court to
assaulting the boy 23 years ago.
The court heard the former Liberal Democrat councillor had a similar
conviction dating back to 1971.
He was leader of the council from 2003 until July 2005 and an Abbey ward
councillor until May 2006.
The assault happened on an occasion when the boy had visited Burgess's
home to help fold political leaflets.
The court heard Burgess's victim was a regular visitor. His father was a
friend of Burgess.
Burgess became leader after Labour lost overall control of the city
council and his group formed a coalition with the Conservatives.
Tougher procedures
Just over two years later, Labour regained control.
In October 2005 a police investigation into allegations of indecent
assault by Burgess was made public and he was suspended by the Lib Dems.
He continued as an independent member until he stepped down at the May
elections.
Under the Local Government Act 1972, candidates at an election do not
have to disclose convictions that occurred more than five years
previously.
The Liberal Democrats in Derby have now toughened their procedures for
selecting candidates.
Current party leader Councillor Hilary Jones said people wishing to stand
for the party were required to disclose all previous misdemeanours.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/derbyshire/6193411.stm
Published: 2006/12/19 14:15:55 GMT
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COUNCILLOR is facing arrest for the second time this year after failing to
turn up at Maidenhead magistrates court on Wednesday.
But when the Express confronted Councillor Mushtaq Hayat later that day,
he
seemed unware of the danger he was in.
Cllr Hayat, a Slough Lib Dem, is also facing charges of allowing his pizza
restaurant to be infested with cockroaches for the second time. He
failed to
appear before magistrates on Wednesday, when a warrant for his arrest was
issued.
In December last year, his restaurant Halal Pizza Place, in Bradley Road,
Slough, was closed down temporarily after it was found to be infested.
The former chairman of the borough health panel also failed to turn up
for a
court appearance last month and a warrant was issued for his arrest at the
time.
Hayat has already has one conviction over a cockroach infestation and was
given a rap over the knuckles by healthy and safety bosses.
The 46-year-old from Wexham Road, Slough, was fined £3,000 plus £1,500
hygiene costs in March 2003.
Inspectors found evidence of an infestation by German cockroaches at the
Halal Pizza Palace when they visited in January 2002.
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Roderick Rowley, who stood as a candidate for the BNP in Coventry's
Woodlands Ward in the local elections in 2004, was jailed for 15 months in
December after sending obscene images involving children.
So you found one bad apple? Basket fulls though from the other
parties......The BNP throw bad apples away,the LIB/LAB/CON promote them
"
Post by VAN DIESEL
When the loony left try to make out the BNP are nought but criminals,
please remember the BNP did NOT lie to Parliament, Did not Illegally
start a war that has cost 141 British lives and 600,000 Iraqi Lives, But
below are just a few of the things your beloved lefties did do when not
That's because nobody has ever elected a bunch of semi-literate
British Nazi Party racist thugs to Parliament and nobody with any
brains ever will.

And by the way, if every Scot leaves Anglistan, the country will
collapse. Most of you Anglotrash are so bone idle or on the fiddle
that if it wasn't for the hard-working Muslims, your country would
sink under the sheer weight of your own bullshit.

"Der Tag" ist noch nicht angebrochen, mein lieber von Diesel!

Aber bald kommt Schottland Tag!

Heil Salmond!
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-14 17:59:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Highlander
That's because nobody has ever elected a bunch of semi-literate
British Nazi Party racist thugs to Parliament and nobody with any
brains ever will.
And by the way, if every Scot leaves Anglistan, the country will
collapse. Most of you Anglotrash are so bone idle or on the fiddle
that if it wasn't for the hard-working Muslims, your country would
sink under the sheer weight of your own bullshit.
"Der Tag" ist noch nicht angebrochen, mein lieber von Diesel!
Aber bald kommt Schottland Tag!
Heil Salmond!
We already are governed by a bunch of semi literate Scots labour nazi thugs
and look how Blair and Brown have ruined the Country.
If the Scots get out of England the welfare bill will fall, the fighting
anti social behaviour bill will fall, we will have more housing ( after its
beemn deloused and descotished), crime will fall, and all the obese,
alcholic, foul mouthed, booze sodden suicidal, manic depressives that are
the Scots will be able to wallow in a mire of self inflicted sef pity in
their dark dirty, cold , windy, gray shithole of a country. Must admit
thouigh the hard working tax paying muslims are a breath of fresh in in
comparison with the Scots. Have you noticed the similarity between the Scots
and the illegal immigrants from Afghanistan??, Neither can speak English,
most are uneducated, they hate English but love our welfare state, but at
least the Afghans are clean and generally tea total.
The Highlander
2007-04-14 23:13:02 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:59:06 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
That's because nobody has ever elected a bunch of semi-literate
British Nazi Party racist thugs to Parliament and nobody with any
brains ever will.
And by the way, if every Scot leaves Anglistan, the country will
collapse. Most of you Anglotrash are so bone idle or on the fiddle
that if it wasn't for the hard-working Muslims, your country would
sink under the sheer weight of your own bullshit.
"Der Tag" ist noch nicht angebrochen, mein lieber von Diesel!
Aber bald kommt Schottland Tag!
Heil Salmond!
We already are governed by a bunch of semi literate Scots labour nazi thugs
and look how Blair and Brown have ruined the Country.
If the Scots get out of England the welfare bill will fall, the fighting
anti social behaviour bill will fall, we will have more housing ( after its
beemn deloused and descotished), crime will fall, and all the obese,
alcholic, foul mouthed, booze sodden suicidal, manic depressives that are
the Scots will be able to wallow in a mire of self inflicted sef pity in
their dark dirty, cold , windy, gray shithole of a country. Must admit
thouigh the hard working tax paying muslims are a breath of fresh in in
comparison with the Scots. Have you noticed the similarity between the Scots
and the illegal immigrants from Afghanistan??, Neither can speak English,
most are uneducated, they hate English but love our welfare state, but at
least the Afghans are clean and generally tea total.
Rarely have I seen so many deliberate lies packed into one post.

I'm afraid you've lost my vote. I want an MP who can spell.
The Highlander
2007-04-14 23:25:51 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:59:06 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
That's because nobody has ever elected a bunch of semi-literate
British Nazi Party racist thugs to Parliament and nobody with any
brains ever will.
And by the way, if every Scot leaves Anglistan, the country will
collapse. Most of you Anglotrash are so bone idle or on the fiddle
that if it wasn't for the hard-working Muslims, your country would
sink under the sheer weight of your own bullshit.
"Der Tag" ist noch nicht angebrochen, mein lieber von Diesel!
Aber bald kommt Schottland Tag!
Heil Salmond!
We already are governed by a bunch of semi literate Scots labour nazi thugs
and look how Blair and Brown have ruined the Country.
I think they've done an amazing job! Anglistan is on its knees;
pensions have been stolen and frozen; any spare cash has been pissed
away on overseas wars and the net result is imminent backruptcy for
about half the population.

I mean; did our boys do a real hatchet job on *ngland or didn't they?!

and the country is jam-packed with new emmigrants.

Immigrants are people arriving - emigrants are people leaving. Watch
your spelling - imagine, this clown can't even spell his own Saxon
jargon!
Post by VAN DIESEL
If the Scots get out of England the welfare bill will fall, the fighting
anti social behaviour bill will fall, we will have more housing ( after its
beemn deloused and descotished), crime will fall, and all the obese,
alcholic, foul mouthed, booze sodden suicidal, manic depressives that are
the Scots will be able to wallow in a mire of self inflicted sef pity in
their dark dirty, cold , windy, gray shithole of a country.
Yup, and I have no idea how you're going to get rid of them. They'll
still be able to claim "British" citizenship and there's no way you
can get them out!

Enjoy!

Oh, you are so wrong. Scotland's oil has been paying your way for
years and that tap is going to shut off permanently as far as you are
concerned, unless you buy our oil at the price set by OPEC.

Must admit
Post by VAN DIESEL
thouigh the hard working tax paying muslims are a breath of fresh in in
comparison with the Scots. Have you noticed the similarity between the Scots
and the illegal immigrants from Afghanistan??, Neither can speak English,
most are uneducated, they hate English but love our welfare state, but at
least the Afghans are clean and generally tea total.
I suppose you'll be massacring them all in the near future?
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 01:31:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Highlander
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:59:06 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
That's because nobody has ever elected a bunch of semi-literate
British Nazi Party racist thugs to Parliament and nobody with any
brains ever will.
And by the way, if every Scot leaves Anglistan, the country will
collapse. Most of you Anglotrash are so bone idle or on the fiddle
that if it wasn't for the hard-working Muslims, your country would
sink under the sheer weight of your own bullshit.
"Der Tag" ist noch nicht angebrochen, mein lieber von Diesel!
Aber bald kommt Schottland Tag!
Heil Salmond!
We already are governed by a bunch of semi literate Scots labour nazi thugs
and look how Blair and Brown have ruined the Country.
I think they've done an amazing job! Anglistan is on its knees;
pensions have been stolen and frozen; any spare cash has been pissed
away on overseas wars and the net result is imminent backruptcy for
about half the population.
I mean; did our boys do a real hatchet job on *ngland or didn't they?!
and the country is jam-packed with new emmigrants.
Immigrants are people arriving - emigrants are people leaving. Watch
your spelling - imagine, this clown can't even spell his own Saxon
jargon!
Post by VAN DIESEL
If the Scots get out of England the welfare bill will fall, the fighting
anti social behaviour bill will fall, we will have more housing ( after its
beemn deloused and descotished), crime will fall, and all the obese,
alcholic, foul mouthed, booze sodden suicidal, manic depressives that are
the Scots will be able to wallow in a mire of self inflicted sef pity in
their dark dirty, cold , windy, gray shithole of a country.
Yup, and I have no idea how you're going to get rid of them. They'll
still be able to claim "British" citizenship and there's no way you
can get them out!
Enjoy!
Oh, you are so wrong. Scotland's oil has been paying your way for
years and that tap is going to shut off permanently as far as you are
concerned, unless you buy our oil at the price set by OPEC.
Must admit
Post by VAN DIESEL
thouigh the hard working tax paying muslims are a breath of fresh in in
comparison with the Scots. Have you noticed the similarity between the Scots
and the illegal immigrants from Afghanistan??, Neither can speak English,
most are uneducated, they hate English but love our welfare state, but at
least the Afghans are clean and generally tea total.
Does being tea-total mean they do not drink tea?
Post by The Highlander
I suppose you'll be massacring them all in the near future?
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:13:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Must admit
Post by VAN DIESEL
thouigh the hard working tax paying muslims are a breath of fresh in in
comparison with the Scots. Have you noticed the similarity between the Scots
and the illegal immigrants from Afghanistan??, Neither can speak English,
most are uneducated, they hate English but love our welfare state, but at
least the Afghans are clean and generally tea total.
Does being tea-total mean they do not drink tea?
Post by VAN DIESEL
I suppose you'll be massacring them all in the near future?
I think this neatly shows us who are the violent racist narropw minded
bigots


Asylum seekers targeted by gangs
Stephen Stewart
BBC Scotland news website


Clad in the youth uniform of shellsuits, baseball caps and trainers, the
teenagers swig from half empty MD 20/20 bottles.

The scene in the shadow of a decaying tower block is played out in towns and
cities across the UK by bored youngsters hanging around on street corners.
But this is Scotland's largest city and these youths are part of a worrying
new trend - self-styled street gangs which increasingly target asylum
seekers and refugees.

Some of those now terrorising housing schemes in Glasgow have allegedly
formed tentative links with Nazi groups and display a fevered determination
to attack refugees and asylum seekers.

Glasgow's gangs are nothing new. They have a long and violent history dating
back to fearsome battles fought over long-forgotten streets during the 18th
century.

As the city positions itself as a post-industrial success story, many would
rather forget the city's notorious street gangs and their appetite for
Clockwork Orange-style "recreational violence".

But this new breed of (predominantly) teenage thugs has been quick to
capitalise on the sinister opportunities offered by the internet.

Gang websites and online forums proliferate with links to extremist groups
such as Combat 18 and loyalist paramilitaries. Notorious gangs such as the
Toryglen Nazi Circus, the Young Toryglen Toi and the Bowery Wee Mob have
websites daubed with Nazi insignia and links to far-right discussion forums.


In the south side of Glasgow, one gang member, who asked not to be named,
said: "Why shouldn't we give them a hard time?

"They (asylum seekers) are dropped in here from all over the place and end
up with the best houses in the scheme.

"We just give them grief and it can get a bit mental."

Groups, such as the BNP, have already used recent flashpoints such as the
Kriss Donald murder trial to fuel racial hatred.

The case, one of Scotland's most high profile racially motivated murders,
became a cause celebre for gang members who use message boards to discuss
attacks on asylum seekers and refugees.

Several gang web pages, complete with pictures of gang members in various
states of intoxication, are linked to another series of websites billing
themselves as a forum for "national socialists worldwide".

An entry from Glasgow used a number of racial epithets and issued an ominous
warning about the Kriss Donald murder.

It said: "It's a disgrace. Imagine if it was an ethnic child who was
snatched off the street, tortured and killed.

"Gone but never forgotten, wee man, justice is coming."

Gang signs

Some of these gangs have a fearsome reputation for violence and are quick to
defend their territory against "outsiders".

It would appear for many of them, that asylum seekers and refugees have
formed an easily identifiable target.

One area in Glasgow has more than 300 asylum seeker and refugee families.

While some members of the community have welcomed asylum seekers with open
arms, gangs of youths have also tried to make their lives a misery.

The area is dotted with aging multi-storey flats and run-down shop fronts.
Most of them are emblazoned with gang signs and racially offensive graffiti.


As a group, asylum seekers and refugees are easily 'othered'
Dr Susan Batchelor
University of Glasgow


One local community activist said: "There were some real problems and at one
time we thought the asylum seekers would have to get bussed in and out.

"It's a youth problem. These kids have nothing to do and they are fiercely
territorial. Drink is often involved too.

"Then when you add a group of asylum seekers or refugees who in some cases
look different or have a different cultural background, these gangs can
react.

"You do get swastikas daubed on shop fronts and that type of thing and it is
totally unacceptable.

"Whether that is part of youthful bravado and an attempt to look tough or of
something more sinister remains to be seen. It is very worrying."

Fears of a growing politicisation of gangs and the specific targeting of
ethnic minorities comes at a time when there is already a massive exodus
among asylum seekers.


Nearly all of Scotland's asylum seekers are based in Glasgow, but research
has shown two-thirds leave the city once the Home Office has approved their
claims.

A Scottish Executive study labelled the levels of racial harassment
"shocking".

Dr Susan Batchelor, a leading criminologist at the University of Glasgow,
said asylum seekers and refugees were an easy target for young gang members.

She said: "These gangs are very territorial. Some of them are quick to chase
out anyone who enters their patch and asylum seekers would fall into that
category.

"As a group, asylum seekers and refugees are easily 'othered'. They perhaps
speak a different language or have a different culture and it is very easy
for them to be singled out.

"I have met some of the people involved in gangs and they were very insular.
I interviewed young people from Possil in the north of the city and yet they
had still never been into the city centre.

"Gangs are about belonging, and race and ethnicity are a very quick way to
differentiate people."

'No evidence'

However, Strathclyde Chief Constable Willie Rae said he did not believe
there was a significant problem of gangs making links with right-wing and
Neo-Nazi organisations.

"I am aware that there's a message circulating about extreme groups
publishing articles on the websites, which suggests they may well be
targeting asylum seekers," he said.

"But we don't have the evidence at the moment at this time.

"I think we've got to be cautious given that we're approaching elections
where there will be individuals who will try to raise these matters for
their own ends."

Extra officers

Last year, a crackdown on youth gangs in Glasgow was stepped up. About 90
extra police officers have been posted on the streets in "hot spot" areas as
part of Operation Tag.

Plain clothes "spotters" are used to "identify and disrupt" gangs which
cause the most trouble between 1800 BST and 2200 BST on Friday and Saturday.

Extra officers have already been posted from police offices at Govan, New
Gorbals, Cathcart, Giffnock and Pollok.

However, for asylum seekers in particular, these gangs and their deep-seated
territorialism means that, as yet, they have little chance of making a happy
and productive new home in Scotland.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/6292747.stm

Published: 2007/03/05 17:50:36 GMT

© BBC MMVII


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Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 14:59:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Must admit
Post by VAN DIESEL
thouigh the hard working tax paying muslims are a breath of fresh in in
comparison with the Scots. Have you noticed the similarity between the Scots
and the illegal immigrants from Afghanistan??, Neither can speak English,
most are uneducated, they hate English but love our welfare state, but at
least the Afghans are clean and generally tea total.
Does being tea-total mean they do not drink tea?
Post by VAN DIESEL
I suppose you'll be massacring them all in the near future?
I think this neatly shows us who are the violent racist narropw minded
bigots
Asylum seekers targeted by gangs
Stephen Stewart
BBC Scotland news website
Clad in the youth uniform of shellsuits, baseball caps and trainers, the
teenagers swig from half empty MD 20/20 bottles.
The scene in the shadow of a decaying tower block is played out in towns
and cities across the UK by bored youngsters hanging around on street
corners. But this is Scotland's largest city and these youths are part of
a worrying new trend - self-styled street gangs which increasingly target
asylum seekers and refugees.
Some of those now terrorising housing schemes in Glasgow have allegedly
formed tentative links with Nazi groups and display a fevered
determination to attack refugees and asylum seekers.
Glasgow's gangs are nothing new. They have a long and violent history
dating back to fearsome battles fought over long-forgotten streets during
the 18th century.
As the city positions itself as a post-industrial success story, many
would rather forget the city's notorious street gangs and their appetite
for Clockwork Orange-style "recreational violence".
But this new breed of (predominantly) teenage thugs has been quick to
capitalise on the sinister opportunities offered by the internet.
Gang websites and online forums proliferate with links to extremist groups
such as Combat 18 and loyalist paramilitaries. Notorious gangs such as the
Toryglen Nazi Circus, the Young Toryglen Toi and the Bowery Wee Mob have
websites daubed with Nazi insignia and links to far-right discussion forums.
In the south side of Glasgow, one gang member, who asked not to be named,
said: "Why shouldn't we give them a hard time?
"They (asylum seekers) are dropped in here from all over the place and end
up with the best houses in the scheme.
"We just give them grief and it can get a bit mental."
Groups, such as the BNP, have already used recent flashpoints such as the
Kriss Donald murder trial to fuel racial hatred.
The case, one of Scotland's most high profile racially motivated murders,
became a cause celebre for gang members who use message boards to discuss
attacks on asylum seekers and refugees.
Several gang web pages, complete with pictures of gang members in various
states of intoxication, are linked to another series of websites billing
themselves as a forum for "national socialists worldwide".
An entry from Glasgow used a number of racial epithets and issued an
ominous warning about the Kriss Donald murder.
It said: "It's a disgrace. Imagine if it was an ethnic child who was
snatched off the street, tortured and killed.
"Gone but never forgotten, wee man, justice is coming."
Gang signs
Some of these gangs have a fearsome reputation for violence and are quick
to defend their territory against "outsiders".
It would appear for many of them, that asylum seekers and refugees have
formed an easily identifiable target.
One area in Glasgow has more than 300 asylum seeker and refugee families.
While some members of the community have welcomed asylum seekers with open
arms, gangs of youths have also tried to make their lives a misery.
The area is dotted with aging multi-storey flats and run-down shop fronts.
Most of them are emblazoned with gang signs and racially offensive graffiti.
As a group, asylum seekers and refugees are easily 'othered'
Dr Susan Batchelor
University of Glasgow
One local community activist said: "There were some real problems and at
one time we thought the asylum seekers would have to get bussed in and
out.
"It's a youth problem. These kids have nothing to do and they are fiercely
territorial. Drink is often involved too.
"Then when you add a group of asylum seekers or refugees who in some cases
look different or have a different cultural background, these gangs can
react.
"You do get swastikas daubed on shop fronts and that type of thing and it
is totally unacceptable.
"Whether that is part of youthful bravado and an attempt to look tough or
of something more sinister remains to be seen. It is very worrying."
Fears of a growing politicisation of gangs and the specific targeting of
ethnic minorities comes at a time when there is already a massive exodus
among asylum seekers.
Nearly all of Scotland's asylum seekers are based in Glasgow, but research
has shown two-thirds leave the city once the Home Office has approved
their claims.
A Scottish Executive study labelled the levels of racial harassment
"shocking".
Dr Susan Batchelor, a leading criminologist at the University of Glasgow,
said asylum seekers and refugees were an easy target for young gang members.
She said: "These gangs are very territorial. Some of them are quick to
chase out anyone who enters their patch and asylum seekers would fall into
that category.
"As a group, asylum seekers and refugees are easily 'othered'. They
perhaps speak a different language or have a different culture and it is
very easy for them to be singled out.
"I have met some of the people involved in gangs and they were very
insular. I interviewed young people from Possil in the north of the city
and yet they had still never been into the city centre.
"Gangs are about belonging, and race and ethnicity are a very quick way to
differentiate people."
'No evidence'
However, Strathclyde Chief Constable Willie Rae said he did not believe
there was a significant problem of gangs making links with right-wing and
Neo-Nazi organisations.
"I am aware that there's a message circulating about extreme groups
publishing articles on the websites, which suggests they may well be
targeting asylum seekers," he said.
"But we don't have the evidence at the moment at this time.
"I think we've got to be cautious given that we're approaching elections
where there will be individuals who will try to raise these matters for
their own ends."
Extra officers
Last year, a crackdown on youth gangs in Glasgow was stepped up. About 90
extra police officers have been posted on the streets in "hot spot" areas
as part of Operation Tag.
Plain clothes "spotters" are used to "identify and disrupt" gangs which
cause the most trouble between 1800 BST and 2200 BST on Friday and Saturday.
Extra officers have already been posted from police offices at Govan, New
Gorbals, Cathcart, Giffnock and Pollok.
However, for asylum seekers in particular, these gangs and their
deep-seated territorialism means that, as yet, they have little chance of
making a happy and productive new home in Scotland.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/6292747.stm
Published: 2007/03/05 17:50:36 GMT
© BBC MMVII
Well, I have to hand it to you there - England the has record for racist
incidents per head of population and by a very long way.
No one has ever claimed Scotland is free of such things but there are,
without doubt, a far greater percentage of such incidents throughout all
areas of England.
I won't even bother to go and get cites for that as it has been done here so
many times in the past. That is just one other point you cannot win. Last
time in the same period of time I showed that there were more serious racial
incidents in West Yorkshire alone than in the entire country of Scotland.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 01:29:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
That's because nobody has ever elected a bunch of semi-literate
British Nazi Party racist thugs to Parliament and nobody with any
brains ever will.
And by the way, if every Scot leaves Anglistan, the country will
collapse. Most of you Anglotrash are so bone idle or on the fiddle
that if it wasn't for the hard-working Muslims, your country would
sink under the sheer weight of your own bullshit.
"Der Tag" ist noch nicht angebrochen, mein lieber von Diesel!
Aber bald kommt Schottland Tag!
Heil Salmond!
We already are governed by a bunch of semi literate Scots labour nazi
thugs and look how Blair and Brown have ruined the Country.
Except the UK is one of the strongest economies in the World now.
Post by VAN DIESEL
If the Scots get out of England the welfare bill will fall, the fighting
anti social behaviour bill will fall, we will have more housing ( after
its beemn deloused and descotished), crime will fall, and all the obese,
alcholic, foul mouthed, booze sodden suicidal, manic depressives that are
the Scots will be able to wallow in a mire of self inflicted sef pity in
their dark dirty, cold , windy, gray shithole of a country.
Then you didn't know that Scotland's unemployment is lower now than at any
time since records were kept?
Lower than any other UK country AND most EU countries.
The London areas where the Olympic stadium is to be built has not only one
of the UK's worst employment records but that the natives are so lacking in
the required skills for employmeny ofn the Olympic projects they are
starting training schemes for them?
One must also ask just how you know all those disgusting people you claim
are Scots are actually Scottish? Did you, perhaps live as one of them? Did
you go through their pockets looking for their identification?
(Or did your NAZI Leaders tell you they were)?

The UK's biggest independent banks are Scottish too.
You also seem not to know that Scotland is a net exporter of fuel, power and
food while England is a net importer of all three.
That means Scotland can not only stand on her own feet and support her
population but export as well. England, though, cannot feed, heat or
transport anything without importing from outside.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Must admit thouigh the hard working tax paying muslims are a breath of
fresh in in comparison with the Scots. Have you noticed the similarity
between the Scots and the illegal immigrants from Afghanistan??, Neither
can speak English, most are uneducated, they hate English but love our
welfare state, but at least the Afghans are clean and generally tea total.
Then you will be able to explain just why the Barnett Foemula is invoked
each year to give back to Scotland the overspend of UK funds that England
has already had. That proves WE subsidise YOU.

However, thank you again for your great efforts to recruit Scots to the
Independence movement to ditch the nation that spawned such a person as you.
Keep up the good work and Alex Salmond will thank you.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Adam Whyte-Settlar
2007-04-15 09:55:01 UTC
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Post by The Highlander
That's because nobody has ever elected a bunch of semi-literate
British Nazi Party racist thugs to Parliament and nobody with any
brains ever will.
And by the way, if every Scot leaves Anglistan, the country will
collapse. Most of you Anglotrash are so bone idle or on the fiddle
that if it wasn't for the hard-working Muslims, your country would
sink under the sheer weight of your own bullshit.
"Der Tag" ist noch nicht angebrochen, mein lieber von Diesel!
Aber bald kommt Schottland Tag!
Heil Salmond!
We already are governed by a bunch of semi literate Scots labour nazi
thugs and look how Blair and Brown have ruined the Country.
If the Scots get out of England the welfare bill will fall, the fighting
anti social behaviour bill will fall, we will have more housing ( after
its beemn deloused and descotished), crime will fall, and all the obese,
alcholic, foul mouthed, booze sodden suicidal, manic depressives that are
the Scots will be able to wallow in a mire of self inflicted sef pity in
their dark dirty, cold , windy, gray shithole of a country. Must admit
thouigh the hard working tax paying muslims are a breath of fresh in in
comparison with the Scots. Have you noticed the similarity between the
Scots and the illegal immigrants from Afghanistan??, Neither can speak
English, most are uneducated, they hate English but love our welfare
state, but at least the Afghans are clean and generally tea total.
A higher percentage of Scots are in employment than the English scumbag -
the Scots also subsidise England as is well documented.
But then facts have never interested ignorant racist nazi shitbags have
they.
Even your stereotypical bigotry is 50 years out of date.
But please keep posting - nazi *nglish scum are the best advert for the SNP
yet.
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:15:30 UTC
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Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
A higher percentage of Scots are in employment than the English scumbag -
the Scots also subsidise England as is well documented.
But then facts have never interested ignorant racist nazi shitbags have
they.
Even your stereotypical bigotry is 50 years out of date.
But please keep posting - nazi *nglish scum are the best advert for the SNP
yet.
as shown below its the Scots who are the racists facist thugs.


Asylum seekers targeted by gangs
Stephen Stewart
BBC Scotland news website


Clad in the youth uniform of shellsuits, baseball caps and trainers, the
teenagers swig from half empty MD 20/20 bottles.

The scene in the shadow of a decaying tower block is played out in towns and
cities across the UK by bored youngsters hanging around on street corners.
But this is Scotland's largest city and these youths are part of a worrying
new trend - self-styled street gangs which increasingly target asylum
seekers and refugees.

Some of those now terrorising housing schemes in Glasgow have allegedly
formed tentative links with Nazi groups and display a fevered determination
to attack refugees and asylum seekers.

Glasgow's gangs are nothing new. They have a long and violent history dating
back to fearsome battles fought over long-forgotten streets during the 18th
century.

As the city positions itself as a post-industrial success story, many would
rather forget the city's notorious street gangs and their appetite for
Clockwork Orange-style "recreational violence".

But this new breed of (predominantly) teenage thugs has been quick to
capitalise on the sinister opportunities offered by the internet.

Gang websites and online forums proliferate with links to extremist groups
such as Combat 18 and loyalist paramilitaries. Notorious gangs such as the
Toryglen Nazi Circus, the Young Toryglen Toi and the Bowery Wee Mob have
websites daubed with Nazi insignia and links to far-right discussion forums.


In the south side of Glasgow, one gang member, who asked not to be named,
said: "Why shouldn't we give them a hard time?

"They (asylum seekers) are dropped in here from all over the place and end
up with the best houses in the scheme.

"We just give them grief and it can get a bit mental."

Groups, such as the BNP, have already used recent flashpoints such as the
Kriss Donald murder trial to fuel racial hatred.

The case, one of Scotland's most high profile racially motivated murders,
became a cause celebre for gang members who use message boards to discuss
attacks on asylum seekers and refugees.

Several gang web pages, complete with pictures of gang members in various
states of intoxication, are linked to another series of websites billing
themselves as a forum for "national socialists worldwide".

An entry from Glasgow used a number of racial epithets and issued an ominous
warning about the Kriss Donald murder.

It said: "It's a disgrace. Imagine if it was an ethnic child who was
snatched off the street, tortured and killed.

"Gone but never forgotten, wee man, justice is coming."

Gang signs

Some of these gangs have a fearsome reputation for violence and are quick to
defend their territory against "outsiders".

It would appear for many of them, that asylum seekers and refugees have
formed an easily identifiable target.

One area in Glasgow has more than 300 asylum seeker and refugee families.

While some members of the community have welcomed asylum seekers with open
arms, gangs of youths have also tried to make their lives a misery.

The area is dotted with aging multi-storey flats and run-down shop fronts.
Most of them are emblazoned with gang signs and racially offensive graffiti.


As a group, asylum seekers and refugees are easily 'othered'
Dr Susan Batchelor
University of Glasgow


One local community activist said: "There were some real problems and at one
time we thought the asylum seekers would have to get bussed in and out.

"It's a youth problem. These kids have nothing to do and they are fiercely
territorial. Drink is often involved too.

"Then when you add a group of asylum seekers or refugees who in some cases
look different or have a different cultural background, these gangs can
react.

"You do get swastikas daubed on shop fronts and that type of thing and it is
totally unacceptable.

"Whether that is part of youthful bravado and an attempt to look tough or of
something more sinister remains to be seen. It is very worrying."

Fears of a growing politicisation of gangs and the specific targeting of
ethnic minorities comes at a time when there is already a massive exodus
among asylum seekers.


Nearly all of Scotland's asylum seekers are based in Glasgow, but research
has shown two-thirds leave the city once the Home Office has approved their
claims.

A Scottish Executive study labelled the levels of racial harassment
"shocking".

Dr Susan Batchelor, a leading criminologist at the University of Glasgow,
said asylum seekers and refugees were an easy target for young gang members.

She said: "These gangs are very territorial. Some of them are quick to chase
out anyone who enters their patch and asylum seekers would fall into that
category.

"As a group, asylum seekers and refugees are easily 'othered'. They perhaps
speak a different language or have a different culture and it is very easy
for them to be singled out.

"I have met some of the people involved in gangs and they were very insular.
I interviewed young people from Possil in the north of the city and yet they
had still never been into the city centre.

"Gangs are about belonging, and race and ethnicity are a very quick way to
differentiate people."

'No evidence'

However, Strathclyde Chief Constable Willie Rae said he did not believe
there was a significant problem of gangs making links with right-wing and
Neo-Nazi organisations.

"I am aware that there's a message circulating about extreme groups
publishing articles on the websites, which suggests they may well be
targeting asylum seekers," he said.

"But we don't have the evidence at the moment at this time.

"I think we've got to be cautious given that we're approaching elections
where there will be individuals who will try to raise these matters for
their own ends."

Extra officers

Last year, a crackdown on youth gangs in Glasgow was stepped up. About 90
extra police officers have been posted on the streets in "hot spot" areas as
part of Operation Tag.

Plain clothes "spotters" are used to "identify and disrupt" gangs which
cause the most trouble between 1800 BST and 2200 BST on Friday and Saturday.

Extra officers have already been posted from police offices at Govan, New
Gorbals, Cathcart, Giffnock and Pollok.

However, for asylum seekers in particular, these gangs and their deep-seated
territorialism means that, as yet, they have little chance of making a happy
and productive new home in Scotland.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/6292747.stm

Published: 2007/03/05 17:50:36 GMT

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Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 15:06:32 UTC
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Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
A higher percentage of Scots are in employment than the English scumbag -
the Scots also subsidise England as is well documented.
But then facts have never interested ignorant racist nazi shitbags have
they.
Even your stereotypical bigotry is 50 years out of date.
But please keep posting - nazi *nglish scum are the best advert for the SNP
yet.
as shown below its the Scots who are the racists facist thugs.
Asylum seekers targeted by gangs
Stephen Stewart
BBC Scotland news website
snip
I said you were on a hiding to nothing - would you listen?

Go read these just for starters =

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5138882.stm
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/crime-reduction/crime-victim.asp
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/pdfs/publications/literature-catologue/practical_guide.pdf
http://www.ncrm.org.uk/southwest/bulletin2.html
http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/docs/areas/2006/ar2006west_midlands.pdf
http://www.westbury.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=15824&d=101&h=126&f=127
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Adam Whyte-Settlar
2007-04-15 23:13:05 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
A higher percentage of Scots are in employment than the English scumbag -
the Scots also subsidise England as is well documented.
But then facts have never interested ignorant racist nazi shitbags have
they.
Even your stereotypical bigotry is 50 years out of date.
But please keep posting - nazi *nglish scum are the best advert for the SNP
yet.
as shown below its the Scots who are the racists facist thugs.
Asylum seekers targeted by gangs
If that is an attempt to cast Scotland in a worse light than England with
regard to racist attacks it is on a par with all the other utter bilge you
spew.
Your hate and bile have made you blind, nazi scum. The racism in England is
in a different league and much of it perpetuated by your moronic friends in
the nazi filth organisation.
B***@isp.com
2007-04-16 05:33:19 UTC
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Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
A higher percentage of Scots are in employment than the English scumbag -
the Scots also subsidise England as is well documented.
But then facts have never interested ignorant racist nazi shitbags have
they.
Even your stereotypical bigotry is 50 years out of date.
But please keep posting - nazi *nglish scum are the best advert for the SNP
yet.
as shown below its the Scots who are the racists facist thugs.
Asylum seekers targeted by gangs
If that is an attempt to cast Scotland in a worse light than England with
regard to racist attacks it is on a par with all the other utter bilge you
spew.
Your hate and bile have made you blind, nazi scum. The racism in England is
in a different league and much of it perpetuated by your moronic friends in
the nazi filth organisation.
There are more racists in this *cots NG than
in England, it's racism against the English. As for
"Nazis I would be careful if I were you. It was
*your* lot who went to Germany during WW2 to
help the Nazis. No English nationalist betrayed their
King and country. There are also no English councilmen
who let out halls so that Irish filth can get drunk and
spew their hatred of the English and celebrate the deaths
of British soldiers. Ever heard of David Hewitt, Edinburgh
Councilman?

The word "racist" is spewed all over the net and is heard
everywhere since the Trots of "Old" Labour allowed the
dross of the 3rd world to flood in and commit crimes once
unheard of in Britain. People have a right and a duty
to complain. Britain was white and Christian for almost
2000 years. There were no Pakis, Indians, Somalians,
Filipinos etal and it was a better place for being so.
There was one culture and one faith. No filty Muslim
one-handed terrorist was spewing his hatred of Britain
and its laws and encouraging riots in order to promote
Sharia Law. If you believe that the U.K. is better off now
than what is was before the invasion of said 3rd world
garbage then it is *you* who is "scum" for you show
your hatred of your own race, assuming you are white
of course.

Say "hello" to the mother of Kriss Donald when you find time.
It was "racists" who killed her son and they weren't "nazis"
they were 3rd world dross.




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VAN DIESEL
2007-04-13 18:18:27 UTC
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Post by Mike
Roderick Rowley, who stood as a candidate for the BNP in Coventry's
Woodlands Ward in the local elections in 2004, was jailed for 15 months in
December after sending obscene images involving children.
Yup and he was kicked out of the party, but new lab try to hide their
sinners or promote them like Peter Mandelson.
Joe
2007-04-13 20:34:32 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Mike
Roderick Rowley, who stood as a candidate for the BNP in Coventry's
Woodlands Ward in the local elections in 2004, was jailed for 15 months in
December after sending obscene images involving children.
Yup and he was kicked out of the party, but new lab try to hide their
sinners or promote them like Peter Mandelson.
There's no point in chucking sticks and stones around to score points.

Few politicians, of any party, are likely to be the kind of person
who is able to see other people as equals, and therefore potentially
worthy of respect. They have this in common with criminals, right
from the start.

While decent people do go into politics, only a tiny handful make
it into important positions. You can't climb the greasy pole and
keep your hands clean. It is the nature of politics itself, in the
modern UK at least, which determines the character of its players,
not their particular ideology. If you can't get anywhere by telling
the truth to the public, and it certainly seems that way, how many
aspiring politicians will make careers elsewhere rather than lie?

Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.

Any bets?
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-13 20:41:00 UTC
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Post by Joe
Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.
Any bets?
Unfortunately I believe the vast majority of the British public have long
since any preytence at civilised moral behaviour themselves. They dont vote
for the partry that will best serve the nation overall, they vote for those
who will give them the most state benefit handouts. The Brits have long
forgotten that for their leaders to " give" them something , those same
leaders must have first taken it away. The country needs a big bloody war to
kill off a few million of the chav classes who's minds look no further than
the next giro " wage".
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-13 22:02:23 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Joe
Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.
Any bets?
Unfortunately I believe the vast majority of the British public have long
since any preytence at civilised moral behaviour themselves. They dont
vote for the partry that will best serve the nation overall, they vote for
those who will give them the most state benefit handouts. The Brits have
long forgotten that for their leaders to " give" them something , those
same leaders must have first taken it away. The country needs a big bloody
war to kill off a few million of the chav classes who's minds look no
further than the next giro " wage".
Your use of the term, "Chav", marks you out for what you are.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-14 08:41:49 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Joe
Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.
Any bets?
Unfortunately I believe the vast majority of the British public have long
since any preytence at civilised moral behaviour themselves. They dont
vote for the partry that will best serve the nation overall, they vote
for those who will give them the most state benefit handouts. The Brits
have long forgotten that for their leaders to " give" them something ,
those same leaders must have first taken it away. The country needs a big
bloody war to kill off a few million of the chav classes who's minds look
no further than the next giro " wage".
Your use of the term, "Chav", marks you out for what you are.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
English middle class and giving thanks to god every day that I was not born
a Scot.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-14 09:46:06 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Joe
Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.
Any bets?
Unfortunately I believe the vast majority of the British public have
long since any preytence at civilised moral behaviour themselves. They
dont vote for the partry that will best serve the nation overall, they
vote for those who will give them the most state benefit handouts. The
Brits have long forgotten that for their leaders to " give" them
something , those same leaders must have first taken it away. The
country needs a big bloody war to kill off a few million of the chav
classes who's minds look no further than the next giro " wage".
Your use of the term, "Chav", marks you out for what you are.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
English middle class and giving thanks to god every day that I was not
born a Scot.
There is no such thing now as Middle-class and has not been since WW1. After
that it was just rich or poor with even the poorest being educated, (if they
wished to), and joining the .professions. As to your thanks at not being
born Scottish I can only add that your delight is far outdone by that of the
Scots that you are NOT one of them.
Cast a vote for an Independent England --- Vote SNP in May.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-14 09:53:42 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
There is no such thing now as Middle-class and has not been since WW1.
After that it was just rich or poor with even the poorest being educated,
(if they wished to), and joining the .professions. As to your thanks at
not being born Scottish I can only add that your delight is far outdone by
that of the Scots that you are NOT one of them.
Cast a vote for an Independent England --- Vote SNP in May.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Being Scotish you would not know anything about class and are not qualified
to comment on it, but never mind your freedom of expression is granted under
law after being hard won for all by the English so ffle away.ll my heart
and without malice that scotland does go for the SNP in May, I think Mr
Salmond is a rare thing these day, an honest politician with his countries
best interests at heart. Independence for scotland is good for the scots
and even better for the English, I look forward to the day the last of the
Scots returns to their free homeland as they will no longer have any
justifiable reason to remain in England
The Highlander
2007-04-14 15:37:58 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:53:42 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
There is no such thing now as Middle-class and has not been since WW1.
After that it was just rich or poor with even the poorest being educated,
(if they wished to), and joining the .professions. As to your thanks at
not being born Scottish I can only add that your delight is far outdone by
that of the Scots that you are NOT one of them.
Cast a vote for an Independent England --- Vote SNP in May.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Being Scotish you would not know anything about class and are not qualified
to comment on it, but never mind your freedom of expression is granted under
law after being hard won for all by the English so ffle away.ll my heart
and without malice that scotland does go for the SNP in May, I think Mr
Salmond is a rare thing these day, an honest politician with his countries
best interests at heart. Independence for scotland is good for the scots
and even better for the English, I look forward to the day the last of the
Scots returns to their free homeland as they will no longer have any
justifiable reason to remain in England
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.

Nazi thug!
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-14 18:00:03 UTC
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Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
The Highlander
2007-04-14 23:29:31 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:00:03 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
We will when your heating bills go through the roof.
Richard Collier
2007-04-15 11:34:19 UTC
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Post by The Highlander
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:00:03 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a
nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
We will when your heating bills go through the roof.
Er, why?
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:17:26 UTC
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Post by Richard Collier
Post by The Highlander
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:00:03 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
We will when your heating bills go through the roof.
Er, why?
He thinks we will still buy expensive scots oil and gas when we can now get
it much cheaper from the Russians.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 14:38:39 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Richard Collier
Post by The Highlander
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:00:03 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
We will when your heating bills go through the roof.
Er, why?
He thinks we will still buy expensive scots oil and gas when we can now
get it much cheaper from the Russians.
No Dear! We do not give a fig where you get your oil and gas from - it is
without doubt a sellers market. We may even decide to keep it all to
ourselves and that means England's decreasing manufacturing industry will
find it far more attractive to move to Scotland where manufacturing cost
will be much less. We can support out population from our own resources can
England?
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
The Highlander
2007-04-15 19:41:51 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:17:26 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Richard Collier
Post by The Highlander
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:00:03 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
We will when your heating bills go through the roof.
Er, why?
He thinks we will still buy expensive scots oil and gas when we can now get
it much cheaper from the Russians.
You're so naive it's frightening. Haven't you noticed how Russia
switches the supply on and off in order to bring other countries into
line with its wants and needs?

No, I thought not.
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 20:26:25 UTC
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Post by The Highlander
You're so naive it's frightening. Haven't you noticed how Russia
switches the supply on and off in order to bring other countries into
line with its wants and needs?
No, I thought not.
Its doesnt to those who can and will pay, which europe can, Scotish oil
revenue will be pissed away like the Scots piss everything else away.
Aleady the UK and EU is running multiple gas and oil lines from Siberia,
Russia, Kazakstan, Uzbelistan and got knows how many other places, and its
much cheaper and with less demands than scotish oil.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-16 00:22:34 UTC
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Post by The Highlander
You're so naive it's frightening. Haven't you noticed how Russia
switches the supply on and off in order to bring other countries into
line with its wants and needs?
No, I thought not.
Its doesnt to those who can and will pay, which europe can, Scotish oil
revenue will be pissed away like the Scots piss everything else away.
Aleady the UK and EU is running multiple gas and oil lines from Siberia,
Russia, Kazakstan, Uzbelistan and got knows how many other places, and its
much cheaper and with less demands than scotish oil.
Can you not read?

Fact - Scotland has now the best employment figures in the UK and better
figures than all but a couple of EU countries.
Fact - The worst area for unemployment in the UK is in certain London
boroughs, (actually around where they intend to build the Olympic Stadium).
Fact - There are actually a greater percentage of people who are alcoholic
or who have alcohol related damage to their health in England than in
Scotland.
Fact - There are higher rates of STDs in England than there are in Scotland.
Fact - Scotland is a net exporters of food, fuel and power.
Fact - England is a net importer of food, fuel and power.
Fact - Scotland has a greater area of land per head of population than
England has.
Fact - The Barnett Formula actually proves that Scotland is subsidising
England, (and that is without even counting Scottish oil revenues).
Fact - You cannot spell worth the proverbial docken.
Fact - The Dome, Olympic Stadiums and many other so called National
Institutions in London are hidden subsidies to London.
Fact - London Transport is subsidised, over and above UK, (English),
Transport by the whole UK.
Fact - The income of London comes mainly from the tax take from the entire
UK through London Head Offices that are sometimes no more than accommodation
addresses.
Fact - You have never backed up a single claim you make on any subject thus
forcing us to believe you are chanting a mantra taught to you by your
mentors.
Fact - You have probably converted more people to Scottish Independence in a
few posts that I, a lifelong nationalist, have done in a long lifetime of
campaigning for the SNP.
Would it surprise you that this Scot has never drank any alcohol for at
least 35 - 40 years yet by implication you seem to thing we are all drink
sodden alcoholics?
Would it surprise you that I have never seen a fried Mars Bar?
Would it surprise you that I worked for over 50 years and have never been
unemployed, never begged on the streets of London, never been sick in a
phone box nor on a London Street.
By the way - just how do you know all those drunk and disgusting folks that
infest your country are Scots?
Seems to us the scenes of violent drunks regularly seen in your countries
streets on any evening of the week are home grown louts, (and that is only
the females).
It also seems to us that the English are the least welcome football
supporters in the entire World, (and that is just in England).
Now every single fact I have quoted above has been substantiated many times
on this forum yet not a single thing you have quoted has ever been backed up
by you.
Care to start now?
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
The Highlander
2007-04-16 15:00:15 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:26:25 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by The Highlander
You're so naive it's frightening. Haven't you noticed how Russia
switches the supply on and off in order to bring other countries into
line with its wants and needs?
No, I thought not.
Its doesnt to those who can and will pay, which europe can, Scotish oil
revenue will be pissed away like the Scots piss everything else away.
Aleady the UK and EU is running multiple gas and oil lines from Siberia,
Russia, Kazakstan, Uzbelistan and got knows how many other places, and its
much cheaper and with less demands than scotish oil.
Your obvious lack of knowledge about Scotland's oil makes me wonder
why you think you can bluff us with your bullshit.I gather that your
IQ is down there somewhere in the gutter with your morals.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 14:34:52 UTC
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Post by Richard Collier
Post by The Highlander
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:00:03 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
We will when your heating bills go through the roof.
Er, why?
Has it escaped you notice that Scotland's small population are net exporters
of fuel, power and food while England's large population are net importers
of all three and who do you think we are exporting most of that food, fuel
and power too?
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
The Highlander
2007-04-15 19:39:43 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:34:19 +0100, "Richard Collier"
Post by Richard Collier
Post by The Highlander
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:00:03 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
We will when your heating bills go through the roof.
Er, why?
You've looted Wales of every last lump of coal and you've looted
Scotland of half its oil.

Are you having a problem grasping that?
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 20:23:58 UTC
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"The Highlander" <***@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
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Post by The Highlander
You've looted Wales of every last lump of coal and you've looted
Scotland of half its oil.
Are you having a problem grasping that?
Jeasus H Christ you do live in Laa Laa land.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
2007-04-15 23:07:56 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
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Post by The Highlander
You've looted Wales of every last lump of coal and you've looted
Scotland of half its oil.
Are you having a problem grasping that?
Jeasus H Christ you do live in Laa Laa land.
Translation: 'Yes I do have a problem grasping that'.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-16 01:06:01 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
?
Post by The Highlander
You've looted Wales of every last lump of coal and you've looted
Scotland of half its oil.
Are you having a problem grasping that?
Jeasus H Christ you do live in Laa Laa land.
Are you suggesting the Welsh burned it all themselves?
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-16 08:43:48 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
?
Post by The Highlander
You've looted Wales of every last lump of coal and you've looted
Scotland of half its oil.
Are you having a problem grasping that?
Jeasus H Christ you do live in Laa Laa land.
Are you suggesting the Welsh burned it all themselves?
--
No, but to save going through all the usual pity celtic squabbling Wales is
not a Country, Never was, Its only ever been a principality, Cornwall and
Northumbria have a better claim to nationhood than Wales. It would be like
the the Western Isles claiming the mainland of Scotland robbed them blind
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-16 09:01:20 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
?
Post by The Highlander
You've looted Wales of every last lump of coal and you've looted
Scotland of half its oil.
Are you having a problem grasping that?
Jeasus H Christ you do live in Laa Laa land.
Are you suggesting the Welsh burned it all themselves?
--
No, but to save going through all the usual pity celtic squabbling Wales
is not a Country, Never was, Its only ever been a principality, Cornwall
and Northumbria have a better claim to nationhood than Wales. It would be
like the the Western Isles claiming the mainland of Scotland robbed them
blind
A bit weak on history are we? Here you go a potted history of Wales.

500-100 B.C. The Celts settle in Wales.
43 A.D. Troops of Roman Emperor Claudius invade Britain. It takes 35 years
to fully conquer Wales. (78 A.D.)
350 Irish raiders make permanent settlements in Southwest Wales.
410 Four hundred years of occupation end for Britain as Romans leave. Saxon
invaders start invading Britain.
500 Saxons defeated at Mount Badon. One of King Arthur's twelve battles.
Supposed rule of King Arthur for 45 plus years. This is the period of
Saints. Celtic saints set up sites throughout Wales teaching Christianity.
In the east of Britain, the Saxons remain pagan.
784 The Saxon Offa of Mercia builds Offa's Dyke. The Dyke is not fortified,
but a permanent boundary line.
878 Rhodri Mawr, the first Welsh ruler to unite the Welsh tribes and
kingdoms under one rule, is slain. Vikings increase their raids.
927 Welsh kings formally submit to the English as over-king.
1039 The last of the Welsh high-kings, Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, assumes the
throne. His short, 20 plus years, rule brings unity to Wales.
1063 The English Earl Harold, drive their army into Wales. His own men kill
Gruffydd ap Llywelyn and relatives and England's ascendancy is reaffirmed.
1066 At the Battle of Hastings King Harold is killed. The Norman conquest of
England is assured. Marcher Lords are established along the Welsh borders.
1141 Henry the First dies. Wales experiences resurgence under the two
Llywelyns of Gwynedd. Wales moves toward unity, their territory is
reclaimed, the culture flourishes.
1215 The Magna Carta signed. Welsh lands taken unjustly are restored and
some Welsh laws return.
1267 Llywelyn II with the Treaty of Montgomery is recognized as Prince of
Wales, with overlordship of all other Welsh Princes and Barons.
1282 Llwyelyn II is killed in battle and Wales's resurgence comes to an end.
Wales falls beneath Edward the First's advances. Wales becomes an English
principality under the Statute of Rhuddlan. In the future, the eldest son of
the English king is designated Prince of Wales. The building of castles in
Wales is started by Edward I.
1301 At Caernarvon Castle Edward's son is invested as the Prince of Wales.
1349 The Plague, or Black Death, sweeps through Wales, leaving up to 40
percent of the population dead.
1400 Owain Glyndwr, with the whole of Wales behind him, leads a revolt
against England.
1410 Owain Glyndwr's short rebellion ends as he disappears. Henry IV and his
son suppress the rebellion. Defeat means second class citizenship for the
Welsh and humiliation.
1455 The War of Roses starts in England as the Yorks and Lancastrians fight
for the throne.
1485 Henry Tudor, of Welsh descent, wins the Battle of Bosworth and becomes
the first Welsh King of England. This marks the end of the War of Roses and
establishes the Welsh lineage to the English throne.
1536 Henry VIII enacts the first Act of Union which completes the political
and legal union of England and Wales. Wales falls under the English shire
system and the first dissolution of the monasteries begins.

Note that date 1485 and also note the date 1603 in Scottish/English contexts
and you will see that the truth is that the English Monarchy are more Welsh,
Scottish and German than English. Note also that Wales was indeed a kingdom.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
The Highlander
2007-04-16 15:19:10 UTC
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:01:20 +0100, "Robert Peffers."
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
?
Post by The Highlander
You've looted Wales of every last lump of coal and you've looted
Scotland of half its oil.
Are you having a problem grasping that?
Jeasus H Christ you do live in Laa Laa land.
Are you suggesting the Welsh burned it all themselves?
--
No, but to save going through all the usual pity celtic squabbling Wales
is not a Country, Never was, Its only ever been a principality, Cornwall
and Northumbria have a better claim to nationhood than Wales. It would be
like the the Western Isles claiming the mainland of Scotland robbed them
blind
A bit weak on history are we? Here you go a potted history of Wales.
500-100 B.C. The Celts settle in Wales.
43 A.D. Troops of Roman Emperor Claudius invade Britain. It takes 35 years
to fully conquer Wales. (78 A.D.)
350 Irish raiders make permanent settlements in Southwest Wales.
410 Four hundred years of occupation end for Britain as Romans leave. Saxon
invaders start invading Britain.
500 Saxons defeated at Mount Badon. One of King Arthur's twelve battles.
Supposed rule of King Arthur for 45 plus years. This is the period of
Saints. Celtic saints set up sites throughout Wales teaching Christianity.
In the east of Britain, the Saxons remain pagan.
784 The Saxon Offa of Mercia builds Offa's Dyke. The Dyke is not fortified,
but a permanent boundary line.
878 Rhodri Mawr, the first Welsh ruler to unite the Welsh tribes and
kingdoms under one rule, is slain. Vikings increase their raids.
927 Welsh kings formally submit to the English as over-king.
1039 The last of the Welsh high-kings, Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, assumes the
throne. His short, 20 plus years, rule brings unity to Wales.
1063 The English Earl Harold, drive their army into Wales. His own men kill
Gruffydd ap Llywelyn and relatives and England's ascendancy is reaffirmed.
1066 At the Battle of Hastings King Harold is killed. The Norman conquest of
England is assured. Marcher Lords are established along the Welsh borders.
1141 Henry the First dies. Wales experiences resurgence under the two
Llywelyns of Gwynedd. Wales moves toward unity, their territory is
reclaimed, the culture flourishes.
1215 The Magna Carta signed. Welsh lands taken unjustly are restored and
some Welsh laws return.
1267 Llywelyn II with the Treaty of Montgomery is recognized as Prince of
Wales, with overlordship of all other Welsh Princes and Barons.
1282 Llwyelyn II is killed in battle and Wales's resurgence comes to an end.
Wales falls beneath Edward the First's advances. Wales becomes an English
principality under the Statute of Rhuddlan. In the future, the eldest son of
the English king is designated Prince of Wales. The building of castles in
Wales is started by Edward I.
1301 At Caernarvon Castle Edward's son is invested as the Prince of Wales.
1349 The Plague, or Black Death, sweeps through Wales, leaving up to 40
percent of the population dead.
1400 Owain Glyndwr, with the whole of Wales behind him, leads a revolt
against England.
1410 Owain Glyndwr's short rebellion ends as he disappears. Henry IV and his
son suppress the rebellion. Defeat means second class citizenship for the
Welsh and humiliation.
1455 The War of Roses starts in England as the Yorks and Lancastrians fight
for the throne.
1485 Henry Tudor, of Welsh descent, wins the Battle of Bosworth and becomes
the first Welsh King of England. This marks the end of the War of Roses and
establishes the Welsh lineage to the English throne.
1536 Henry VIII enacts the first Act of Union which completes the political
and legal union of England and Wales. Wales falls under the English shire
system and the first dissolution of the monasteries begins.
Note that date 1485 and also note the date 1603 in Scottish/English contexts
and you will see that the truth is that the English Monarchy are more Welsh,
Scottish and German than English. Note also that Wales was indeed a kingdom.
At this point I am certain his brain has already shut down.
The Highlander
2007-04-16 15:17:18 UTC
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:43:48 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
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Post by The Highlander
You've looted Wales of every last lump of coal and you've looted
Scotland of half its oil.
Are you having a problem grasping that?
Jeasus H Christ you do live in Laa Laa land.
Are you suggesting the Welsh burned it all themselves?
--
No, but to save going through all the usual pity celtic squabbling Wales is
not a Country, Never was, Its only ever been a principality, Cornwall and
Northumbria have a better claim to nationhood than Wales. It would be like
the the Western Isles claiming the mainland of Scotland robbed them blind
Let's get something straight. We're Scots, which means that like the
Welsh we are generally a well-educated people. Your education
apparently didn't even teach you how to spell the name "Jesus"
correctly.

Wales was a country long before you idiots started finding your way
across the North Sea to the British Isles. Caesar left details of his
war against the Welsh, saying they were brave warriors who sang in
four-part harmony - unique in all of Europe in those days.

The point I'm making is that you're wasting your time and deepening
our contempt for you because you are hammering home the point that you
are functionally illiterate. In Scotland, home of the most highly
educated people in Europe, you would be like a blind man groping his
way through life.

That is of course not necessarily your fault as your school system has
been a joke for years. That's why other countires are unwilling to
accept so many of you as immigrants; as most already have a supply of
welfare recipients. The very idea of people like you taking part in
our political affairs is like asking the Hell's Angels to take over
our universities. It's not going to happen.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 01:08:39 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it necessary to post
into a Scots newsgroup to express such really stupid remarks?
Could it be that you have just awakened to the fact that Scotland does
matter much more than you once thought and you don't know what to do about
it?
However, I thank you on behalf of the Scottish National Party as such silly
English people as you are the best recruiters for Scottish Independence we
could ever wish to have.
You do realise, don't you, that if you really wanted English Independence
you would be on the same side as the Scottish Independence movement and not
against them as you so obviously are?
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
B***@isp.com
2007-04-15 03:01:19 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it necessary to post
into a Scots newsgroup to express such really stupid remarks?
*This* happens to be a u.k.politics misc NG.
Post by Robert Peffers.
Could it be that you have just awakened to the fact that Scotland does
matter much more than you once thought and you don't know what to do about
it?
However, I thank you on behalf of the Scottish National Party as such silly
English people as you are the best recruiters for Scottish Independence we
could ever wish to have.
You do realise, don't you, that if you really wanted English Independence
you would be on the same side as the Scottish Independence movement and not
against them as you so obviously are?
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Custos Custodum
2007-04-15 16:24:46 UTC
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Post by B***@isp.com
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it necessary to post
into a Scots newsgroup to express such really stupid remarks?
*This* happens to be a u.k.politics misc NG.
Not from where I'm sitting, Bubo.

You really should try to find out how Usenet works.
B***@isp.com
2007-04-16 00:46:35 UTC
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Post by Custos Custodum
Post by B***@isp.com
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it necessary to post
into a Scots newsgroup to express such really stupid remarks?
*This* happens to be a u.k.politics misc NG.
Not from where I'm sitting, Bubo.
Then I suggest you get off the lavatory custard and see where my
response was posted i.e.uk politics misc.
Post by Custos Custodum
You really should try to find out how Usenet works.
And you might tell all those strange *cots nitnats to stop
crossposting their drivel all over the net.

"There are more gays in *cotland than any other country
in the world".
Bishop of Edinburgh

And they all appear to post not only in scs but insist
on mincing all over the net.

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VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:21:26 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it necessary to post
into a Scots newsgroup to express such really stupid remarks?
Could it be that you have just awakened to the fact that Scotland does
matter much more than you once thought and you don't know what to do about
it?
However, I thank you on behalf of the Scottish National Party as such
silly English people as you are the best recruiters for Scottish
Independence we could ever wish to have.
You do realise, don't you, that if you really wanted English Independence
you would be on the same side as the Scottish Independence movement and
not against them as you so obviously are?
--
Robert Peffers,
Not running scared at all, the thread was targetted generally to discuss New
labours utter failure, currently and unfortunately the scots are still part
of the UK, and have been failed as much by New labour as the English. That
and of course the New Labour mess was managed by two scots Blair and Brown.
And I do wish the best for the Scots and their fight for independence, I
look foward to the day when every Scot can return to live in his feee
homeland, that alone will imorove England.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 15:41:20 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it necessary to
post into a Scots newsgroup to express such really stupid remarks?
Could it be that you have just awakened to the fact that Scotland does
matter much more than you once thought and you don't know what to do
about it?
However, I thank you on behalf of the Scottish National Party as such
silly English people as you are the best recruiters for Scottish
Independence we could ever wish to have.
You do realise, don't you, that if you really wanted English Independence
you would be on the same side as the Scottish Independence movement and
not against them as you so obviously are?
--
Robert Peffers,
Not running scared at all, the thread was targetted generally to discuss
New labours utter failure, currently and unfortunately the scots are still
part of the UK, and have been failed as much by New labour as the English.
That and of course the New Labour mess was managed by two scots Blair and
Brown. And I do wish the best for the Scots and their fight for
independence, I look foward to the day when every Scot can return to live
in his feee homeland, that alone will imorove England.
In the first place you were wrong on so many points about the UK economy.
I'm no labour supporter but I do tell the truth.
I'm well over seventy and the UK economy is healthier now than at any time
in those seventy odd years.
Then there is the simple fact that Scotland's employment has never been
better, even in the boom years when we were told, "You've never had it so
good".
Unemployment is lower than at any time since records were kept.
There is ample proof that Scotland subsidises England with perhaps the best
evidence of this being how the 30 year rule cabinet papers said that we were
and that the figures had to be suppressed to save England from going
bankrupt.
Then there is that little fact Tony Blair is NOT Scottish, by his own
admission he is English. Being born in Scotland does not make him Scottish,
any more than Cliff Richard's birth in India makes him an Indian.

Then we have your totally racist remarks that you look forward to when every
Scot can return to Scotland as a betterment of England.
Are you really that stupid?
If everyone of English birth or English descent throughout the World were to
be returned to England there would not be one square foot of England for
each of them. Australia, Canada, New Zealand, much of Africa, India,
Afghanistan, Pakistan and many Pacific Islands would suddenly gain much
space and the weight of people in England would sink her under the Sea.
You really are a fine example of the BNP and the utter blinkered stupidity
of hate, envy and greed that drives them all.

You and your racist, bigoted party are bigger jokes than the Monster Raving
Loony Party, (but they are supposed to be a joke).
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
allan connochie
2007-04-15 22:40:24 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it necessary to
post into a Scots newsgroup to express such really stupid remarks?
Could it be that you have just awakened to the fact that Scotland does
matter much more than you once thought and you don't know what to do
about it?
However, I thank you on behalf of the Scottish National Party as such
silly English people as you are the best recruiters for Scottish
Independence we could ever wish to have.
You do realise, don't you, that if you really wanted English
Independence you would be on the same side as the Scottish Independence
movement and not against them as you so obviously are?
--
Robert Peffers,
Not running scared at all, the thread was targetted generally to discuss
New labours utter failure, currently and unfortunately the scots are
still part of the UK, and have been failed as much by New labour as the
English. That and of course the New Labour mess was managed by two scots
Blair and Brown. And I do wish the best for the Scots and their fight for
independence, I look foward to the day when every Scot can return to live
in his feee homeland, that alone will imorove England.
In the first place you were wrong on so many points about the UK economy.
I'm no labour supporter but I do tell the truth.
I'm well over seventy and the UK economy is healthier now than at any time
in those seventy odd years.
Then there is the simple fact that Scotland's employment has never been
better, even in the boom years when we were told, "You've never had it so
good".
Unemployment is lower than at any time since records were kept.
There is ample proof that Scotland subsidises England with perhaps the
best evidence of this being how the 30 year rule cabinet papers said that
we were and that the figures had to be suppressed to save England from
going bankrupt.
Then there is that little fact Tony Blair is NOT Scottish, by his own
admission he is English. Being born in Scotland does not make him
Scottish, any more than Cliff Richard's birth in India makes him an
Indian.
One has to laugh at the anti-Scottishness of these posters. We have Blair
labled as a Scot because he was born in Edinburgh and lived there for a
short time as an infant. Yet his father was English born; his mother was
Irish born; Blair has lived most of his life in County Durham; clearly sees
himself as an Englishman and more importantly has always represented an
English constituency. Hence whatever his nationality is, or part nationality
is, he is and has always been an English MP.

Then there is the Conservatives. Haven't they done a great job in hiding
their leader's Scottish connections? His paternal family hail originally
from Invernesshire and his father was born in Huntly!

Allan
Glenallan
2007-04-16 00:55:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by allan connochie
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it
necessary to post into a Scots newsgroup to express such really
stupid remarks?
Could it be that you have just awakened to the fact that Scotland
does matter much more than you once thought and you don't know
what to do about it?
However, I thank you on behalf of the Scottish National Party as
such silly English people as you are the best recruiters for
Scottish Independence we could ever wish to have.
You do realise, don't you, that if you really wanted English
Independence you would be on the same side as the Scottish
Independence movement and not against them as you so obviously
are?
--
Robert Peffers,
Not running scared at all, the thread was targetted generally to
discuss New labours utter failure, currently and unfortunately the
scots are still part of the UK, and have been failed as much by
New labour as the English. That and of course the New Labour mess
was managed by two scots Blair and Brown. And I do wish the best
for the Scots and their fight for independence, I look foward to
the day when every Scot can return to live in his feee homeland,
that alone will imorove England.
In the first place you were wrong on so many points about the UK
economy. I'm no labour supporter but I do tell the truth.
I'm well over seventy and the UK economy is healthier now than at
any time in those seventy odd years.
Then there is the simple fact that Scotland's employment has never
been better, even in the boom years when we were told, "You've
never had it so good".
Unemployment is lower than at any time since records were kept.
There is ample proof that Scotland subsidises England with perhaps
the best evidence of this being how the 30 year rule cabinet papers
said that we were and that the figures had to be suppressed to save
England from going bankrupt.
Then there is that little fact Tony Blair is NOT Scottish, by his
own admission he is English. Being born in Scotland does not make
him Scottish, any more than Cliff Richard's birth in India makes
him an Indian.
One has to laugh at the anti-Scottishness of these posters. We have
Blair labled as a Scot because he was born in Edinburgh and lived
there for a short time as an infant. Yet his father was English
born; his mother was Irish born; Blair has lived most of his life in
County Durham; clearly sees himself as an Englishman and more
importantly has always represented an English constituency. Hence
whatever his nationality is, or part nationality is, he is and has
always been an English MP.
Then there is the Conservatives. Haven't they done a great job in
hiding their leader's Scottish connections? His paternal family
hail originally from Invernesshire and his father was born in
Huntly!
Allan
You are on your final warning for X-posting.
Next time you will be K-filed..
I mean it Connochie. I really do.!!
You are not above the Law.!
B***@isp.com
2007-04-16 01:07:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Glenallan
Post by allan connochie
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it
necessary to post into a Scots newsgroup to express such really
stupid remarks?
Could it be that you have just awakened to the fact that Scotland
does matter much more than you once thought and you don't know
what to do about it?
However, I thank you on behalf of the Scottish National Party as
such silly English people as you are the best recruiters for
Scottish Independence we could ever wish to have.
You do realise, don't you, that if you really wanted English
Independence you would be on the same side as the Scottish
Independence movement and not against them as you so obviously
are?
--
Robert Peffers,
Not running scared at all, the thread was targetted generally to
discuss New labours utter failure, currently and unfortunately the
scots are still part of the UK, and have been failed as much by
New labour as the English. That and of course the New Labour mess
was managed by two scots Blair and Brown. And I do wish the best
for the Scots and their fight for independence, I look foward to
the day when every Scot can return to live in his feee homeland,
that alone will imorove England.
In the first place you were wrong on so many points about the UK
economy. I'm no labour supporter but I do tell the truth.
I'm well over seventy and the UK economy is healthier now than at
any time in those seventy odd years.
Then there is the simple fact that Scotland's employment has never
been better, even in the boom years when we were told, "You've
never had it so good".
Unemployment is lower than at any time since records were kept.
There is ample proof that Scotland subsidises England with perhaps
the best evidence of this being how the 30 year rule cabinet papers
said that we were and that the figures had to be suppressed to save
England from going bankrupt.
Then there is that little fact Tony Blair is NOT Scottish, by his
own admission he is English. Being born in Scotland does not make
him Scottish, any more than Cliff Richard's birth in India makes
him an Indian.
One has to laugh at the anti-Scottishness of these posters. We have
Blair labled as a Scot because he was born in Edinburgh and lived
there for a short time as an infant. Yet his father was English
born; his mother was Irish born; Blair has lived most of his life in
County Durham; clearly sees himself as an Englishman and more
importantly has always represented an English constituency. Hence
whatever his nationality is, or part nationality is, he is and has
always been an English MP.
Then there is the Conservatives. Haven't they done a great job in
hiding their leader's Scottish connections? His paternal family
hail originally from Invernesshire and his father was born in
Huntly!
Allan
You are on your final warning for X-posting.
Next time you will be K-filed..
I mean it Connochie. I really do.!!
You are not above the Law.!-
I agree. I post through Google which only allows a
total of 5 groups that one can post to. I have to erase
all of the others and it is very time consuming.


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allan connochie
2007-04-16 10:13:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Glenallan
You are on your final warning for X-posting.
Next time you will be K-filed..
I mean it Connochie. I really do.!!
You are not above the Law.!
Ah you love me really!


Allan
B***@isp.com
2007-04-16 01:04:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by allan connochie
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it necessary to
post into a Scots newsgroup to express such really stupid remarks?
Could it be that you have just awakened to the fact that Scotland does
matter much more than you once thought and you don't know what to do
about it?
However, I thank you on behalf of the Scottish National Party as such
silly English people as you are the best recruiters for Scottish
Independence we could ever wish to have.
You do realise, don't you, that if you really wanted English
Independence you would be on the same side as the Scottish Independence
movement and not against them as you so obviously are?
--
Robert Peffers,
Not running scared at all, the thread was targetted generally to discuss
New labours utter failure, currently and unfortunately the scots are
still part of the UK, and have been failed as much by New labour as the
English. That and of course the New Labour mess was managed by two scots
Blair and Brown. And I do wish the best for the Scots and their fight for
independence, I look foward to the day when every Scot can return to live
in his feee homeland, that alone will imorove England.
In the first place you were wrong on so many points about the UK economy.
I'm no labour supporter but I do tell the truth.
I'm well over seventy and the UK economy is healthier now than at any time
in those seventy odd years.
Then there is the simple fact that Scotland's employment has never been
better, even in the boom years when we were told, "You've never had it so
good".
Unemployment is lower than at any time since records were kept.
There is ample proof that Scotland subsidises England with perhaps the
best evidence of this being how the 30 year rule cabinet papers said that
we were and that the figures had to be suppressed to save England from
going bankrupt.
Then there is that little fact Tony Blair is NOT Scottish, by his own
admission he is English. Being born in Scotland does not make him
Scottish, any more than Cliff Richard's birth in India makes him an
Indian.
One has to laugh at the anti-Scottishness of these posters. We have Blair
labled as a Scot because he was born in Edinburgh and lived there for a
short time as an infant. Yet his father was English born; his mother was
Irish born; Blair has lived most of his life in County Durham; clearly sees
himself as an Englishman and more importantly has always represented an
English constituency. Hence whatever his nationality is, or part nationality
is, he is and has always been an English MP.
Then there is the Conservatives. Haven't they done a great job in hiding
their leader's Scottish connections? His paternal family hail originally
from Invernesshire and his father was born in Huntly!
One only has to look at Cameron's face to see that he is
a *cot by blood and name. What is it you don't understand?
Isn't "Blair"a *cots name? I'll ask Malkie.
Post by allan connochie
Allan- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The Highlander
2007-04-16 15:22:49 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:40:24 +0100, "allan connochie"
Post by allan connochie
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it necessary to
post into a Scots newsgroup to express such really stupid remarks?
Could it be that you have just awakened to the fact that Scotland does
matter much more than you once thought and you don't know what to do
about it?
However, I thank you on behalf of the Scottish National Party as such
silly English people as you are the best recruiters for Scottish
Independence we could ever wish to have.
You do realise, don't you, that if you really wanted English
Independence you would be on the same side as the Scottish Independence
movement and not against them as you so obviously are?
--
Robert Peffers,
Not running scared at all, the thread was targetted generally to discuss
New labours utter failure, currently and unfortunately the scots are
still part of the UK, and have been failed as much by New labour as the
English. That and of course the New Labour mess was managed by two scots
Blair and Brown. And I do wish the best for the Scots and their fight for
independence, I look foward to the day when every Scot can return to live
in his feee homeland, that alone will imorove England.
In the first place you were wrong on so many points about the UK economy.
I'm no labour supporter but I do tell the truth.
I'm well over seventy and the UK economy is healthier now than at any time
in those seventy odd years.
Then there is the simple fact that Scotland's employment has never been
better, even in the boom years when we were told, "You've never had it so
good".
Unemployment is lower than at any time since records were kept.
There is ample proof that Scotland subsidises England with perhaps the
best evidence of this being how the 30 year rule cabinet papers said that
we were and that the figures had to be suppressed to save England from
going bankrupt.
Then there is that little fact Tony Blair is NOT Scottish, by his own
admission he is English. Being born in Scotland does not make him
Scottish, any more than Cliff Richard's birth in India makes him an
Indian.
One has to laugh at the anti-Scottishness of these posters. We have Blair
labled as a Scot because he was born in Edinburgh and lived there for a
short time as an infant. Yet his father was English born; his mother was
Irish born; Blair has lived most of his life in County Durham; clearly sees
himself as an Englishman and more importantly has always represented an
English constituency. Hence whatever his nationality is, or part nationality
is, he is and has always been an English MP.
Then there is the Conservatives. Haven't they done a great job in hiding
their leader's Scottish connections? His paternal family hail originally
from Invernesshire and his father was born in Huntly!
Allan
This dope doesn't get it - Scots run his country and Scotland
subsidizes it. Westminster's accounts make that clear, despite the
lying about England being self-supporting.
The Highlander
2007-04-16 15:20:20 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:21:26 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Running scared are we?
Then tell us just why an obvious idiot like you found it necessary to post
into a Scots newsgroup to express such really stupid remarks?
Could it be that you have just awakened to the fact that Scotland does
matter much more than you once thought and you don't know what to do about
it?
However, I thank you on behalf of the Scottish National Party as such
silly English people as you are the best recruiters for Scottish
Independence we could ever wish to have.
You do realise, don't you, that if you really wanted English Independence
you would be on the same side as the Scottish Independence movement and
not against them as you so obviously are?
--
Robert Peffers,
Not running scared at all, the thread was targetted generally to discuss New
labours utter failure, currently and unfortunately the scots are still part
of the UK, and have been failed as much by New labour as the English. That
and of course the New Labour mess was managed by two scots Blair and Brown.
And I do wish the best for the Scots and their fight for independence, I
look foward to the day when every Scot can return to live in his feee
homeland, that alone will imorove England.
That alone will guarantee your plunge into Third World status.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
2007-04-15 09:50:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
Aye - you're brave now - hiding behind a computer screen.
However, I look forward to seeing you and the rest of your nazi scum morons
being beaten to death the first time you show your faces in public.
FOAD vermin.
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:24:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
Aye - you're brave now - hiding behind a computer screen.
However, I look forward to seeing you and the rest of your nazi scum morons
being beaten to death the first time you show your faces in public.
FOAD vermin.
Hey Jimmy, Read below and read who are the true racist bigots, In England we
have a small minority of them in the BNP, In Scotland according the the BBC
its the norm. Oh and please do try and remember what happened the last time
the Scots tried to bully England, theres a nice stone at Culloden to show
the end result.

Asylum seekers targeted by gangs
Stephen Stewart
BBC Scotland news website


Clad in the youth uniform of shellsuits, baseball caps and trainers, the
teenagers swig from half empty MD 20/20 bottles.

The scene in the shadow of a decaying tower block is played out in towns and
cities across the UK by bored youngsters hanging around on street corners.





But this is Scotland's largest city and these youths are part of a worrying
new trend - self-styled street gangs which increasingly target asylum
seekers and refugees.

Some of those now terrorising housing schemes in Glasgow have allegedly
formed tentative links with Nazi groups and display a fevered determination
to attack refugees and asylum seekers.

Glasgow's gangs are nothing new. They have a long and violent history dating
back to fearsome battles fought over long-forgotten streets during the 18th
century.

As the city positions itself as a post-industrial success story, many would
rather forget the city's notorious street gangs and their appetite for
Clockwork Orange-style "recreational violence".

But this new breed of (predominantly) teenage thugs has been quick to
capitalise on the sinister opportunities offered by the internet.

Gang websites and online forums proliferate with links to extremist groups
such as Combat 18 and loyalist paramilitaries. Notorious gangs such as the
Toryglen Nazi Circus, the Young Toryglen Toi and the Bowery Wee Mob have
websites daubed with Nazi insignia and links to far-right discussion forums.


In the south side of Glasgow, one gang member, who asked not to be named,
said: "Why shouldn't we give them a hard time?

"They (asylum seekers) are dropped in here from all over the place and end
up with the best houses in the scheme.

"We just give them grief and it can get a bit mental."

Groups, such as the BNP, have already used recent flashpoints such as the
Kriss Donald murder trial to fuel racial hatred.

The case, one of Scotland's most high profile racially motivated murders,
became a cause celebre for gang members who use message boards to discuss
attacks on asylum seekers and refugees.

Several gang web pages, complete with pictures of gang members in various
states of intoxication, are linked to another series of websites billing
themselves as a forum for "national socialists worldwide".

An entry from Glasgow used a number of racial epithets and issued an ominous
warning about the Kriss Donald murder.

It said: "It's a disgrace. Imagine if it was an ethnic child who was
snatched off the street, tortured and killed.

"Gone but never forgotten, wee man, justice is coming."

Gang signs

Some of these gangs have a fearsome reputation for violence and are quick to
defend their territory against "outsiders".

It would appear for many of them, that asylum seekers and refugees have
formed an easily identifiable target.

One area in Glasgow has more than 300 asylum seeker and refugee families.

While some members of the community have welcomed asylum seekers with open
arms, gangs of youths have also tried to make their lives a misery.

The area is dotted with aging multi-storey flats and run-down shop fronts.
Most of them are emblazoned with gang signs and racially offensive graffiti.


As a group, asylum seekers and refugees are easily 'othered'
Dr Susan Batchelor
University of Glasgow


One local community activist said: "There were some real problems and at one
time we thought the asylum seekers would have to get bussed in and out.

"It's a youth problem. These kids have nothing to do and they are fiercely
territorial. Drink is often involved too.

"Then when you add a group of asylum seekers or refugees who in some cases
look different or have a different cultural background, these gangs can
react.

"You do get swastikas daubed on shop fronts and that type of thing and it is
totally unacceptable.

"Whether that is part of youthful bravado and an attempt to look tough or of
something more sinister remains to be seen. It is very worrying."

Fears of a growing politicisation of gangs and the specific targeting of
ethnic minorities comes at a time when there is already a massive exodus
among asylum seekers.


Nearly all of Scotland's asylum seekers are based in Glasgow, but research
has shown two-thirds leave the city once the Home Office has approved their
claims.

A Scottish Executive study labelled the levels of racial harassment
"shocking".

Dr Susan Batchelor, a leading criminologist at the University of Glasgow,
said asylum seekers and refugees were an easy target for young gang members.

She said: "These gangs are very territorial. Some of them are quick to chase
out anyone who enters their patch and asylum seekers would fall into that
category.

"As a group, asylum seekers and refugees are easily 'othered'. They perhaps
speak a different language or have a different culture and it is very easy
for them to be singled out.

"I have met some of the people involved in gangs and they were very insular.
I interviewed young people from Possil in the north of the city and yet they
had still never been into the city centre.

"Gangs are about belonging, and race and ethnicity are a very quick way to
differentiate people."

'No evidence'

However, Strathclyde Chief Constable Willie Rae said he did not believe
there was a significant problem of gangs making links with right-wing and
Neo-Nazi organisations.

"I am aware that there's a message circulating about extreme groups
publishing articles on the websites, which suggests they may well be
targeting asylum seekers," he said.

"But we don't have the evidence at the moment at this time.

"I think we've got to be cautious given that we're approaching elections
where there will be individuals who will try to raise these matters for
their own ends."

Extra officers

Last year, a crackdown on youth gangs in Glasgow was stepped up. About 90
extra police officers have been posted on the streets in "hot spot" areas as
part of Operation Tag.

Plain clothes "spotters" are used to "identify and disrupt" gangs which
cause the most trouble between 1800 BST and 2200 BST on Friday and Saturday.

Extra officers have already been posted from police offices at Govan, New
Gorbals, Cathcart, Giffnock and Pollok.

However, for asylum seekers in particular, these gangs and their deep-seated
territorialism means that, as yet, they have little chance of making a happy
and productive new home in Scotland.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/6292747.stm

Published: 2007/03/05 17:50:36 GMT

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Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 17:22:25 UTC
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snip
Post by VAN DIESEL
Hey Jimmy, Read below and read who are the true racist bigots, In England
we have a small minority of them in the BNP, In Scotland according the the
BBC its the norm. Oh and please do try and remember what happened the
last time the Scots tried to bully England, theres a nice stone at
Culloden to show the end result.
snip

Oh Dear! So your history is as bad as your English skills and your English
grammar?
When since was Culloden Moor a battle between Scotland and England?
The Culloden Moor battle took place on April 6 1746.
The two Acts of Union were signed in 1706 - 40 years before the battle of
Culloden Moor and they are still, at this moment, in force.
How then was it a Scottish English battle?.

By the way the last time Scotland did bully England was after England won
the World Cup and remained unbeaten until they played Scotland at Wembley
Stadium.

Then the Scots proceded to take the World ?Cup winning team apart and at one
stage Jim Baxter was running down the wing playing keepie-uppie with Nobby
Styles in close attendance and totally unable to take the ball from Baxter.
Dennis Law played a great part in that famous victory that will never be
forgoten. Not for the victory but for the manner by which it was
accomplished or as someone like you would understand it by the Scots taking
the piss out of England's finest.
played out in towns and.
Post by VAN DIESEL
snip
As to your cited source intended to prove Scotland as a more racist country
than England you again fail miserably to prove your point, and you will
continue to fail as long as we Scots can cite hundreds of serious racist
acts in England while you can cite, perhaps, three. So even considering the
relative populations of the two countries England is far and away the prime
racist country in the UK, if not in Europe. There has been several racist
killings in one area of London within the past month alone.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Adam Whyte-Settlar
2007-04-15 23:06:06 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Hey Jimmy, Read below and read who are the true racist bigots, In England
we have a small minority of them in the BNP, In Scotland according the
the BBC its the norm. Oh and please do try and remember what happened
the last time the Scots tried to bully England, theres a nice stone at
Culloden to show the end result.
snip
Oh Dear! So your history is as bad as your English skills and your English
grammar?
When since was Culloden Moor a battle between Scotland and England?
I couldn't even be bothered pointing that out Bob. It's irrelevant anyway.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
2007-04-15 23:04:25 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Nazi thug!
Jock, Its all a simple case of mind over matter, we English dont mind, and
you scots dont matter.
Aye - you're brave now - hiding behind a computer screen.
However, I look forward to seeing you and the rest of your nazi scum morons
being beaten to death the first time you show your faces in public.
FOAD vermin.
Hey Jimmy, Read below and read who are the true racist bigots,
It's got nothing to do with my nationality you nazi scum.
In any case I'm English.
Trying to sidestep the issue doesn't make you look any braver you gutless
filth.
I look forward to the next major culling of nazis - I remember the last time
you tried to take on western values, losers.



Irrelevant dodging snipped.
B***@isp.com
2007-04-16 05:36:58 UTC
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Post by The Highlander
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:53:42 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
There is no such thing now as Middle-class and has not been since WW1.
After that it was just rich or poor with even the poorest being educated,
(if they wished to), and joining the .professions. As to your thanks at
not being born Scottish I can only add that your delight is far outdone by
that of the Scots that you are NOT one of them.
Cast a vote for an Independent England --- Vote SNP in May.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Being Scotish you would not know anything about class and are not qualified
to comment on it, but never mind your freedom of expression is granted under
law after being hard won for all by the English so ffle away.ll my heart
and without malice that scotland does go for the SNP in May, I think Mr
Salmond is a rare thing these day, an honest politician with his countries
best interests at heart. Independence for scotland is good for the scots
and even better for the English, I look forward to the day the last of the
Scots returns to their free homeland as they will no longer have any
justifiable reason to remain in England
Don't bother posting your opinions here - you're obviously a nobody,
going nowhere and nobody gives a damn what you think. In other words;
piss off back to Anglistan and mind your own business.
Said he posting from, *not* from *cotland , but Canada.
Post by The Highlander
Nazi thug!-
"We write *ngland that way because it's a dirty word".
The Highlander, the anti-English racist.

"Anglistan"? Ooo another anti-Asian nazi.


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Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 00:38:24 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
There is no such thing now as Middle-class and has not been since WW1.
After that it was just rich or poor with even the poorest being educated,
(if they wished to), and joining the .professions. As to your thanks at
not being born Scottish I can only add that your delight is far outdone
by that of the Scots that you are NOT one of them.
Cast a vote for an Independent England --- Vote SNP in May.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Being Scotish you would not know anything about class and are not
qualified to comment on it, but never mind your freedom of expression is
granted under law after being hard won for all by the English so ffle
away.ll my heart and without malice that scotland does go for the SNP in
May, I think Mr Salmond is a rare thing these day, an honest politician
with his countries best interests at heart. Independence for scotland is
good for the scots and even better for the English, I look forward to the
day the last of the Scots returns to their free homeland as they will no
longer have any justifiable reason to remain in England
Are your school hols not finished yet?
If you are not a primary class school child then your silly, insulting views
indicate that you are.
As such it would be a waste of time even bothering to reply to such stupid
postings.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
JNugent
2007-04-15 10:21:32 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
[ ... ]
[ ... ]
Are your school hols not finished yet?
If you are not a primary class school child then your silly, insulting views
indicate that you are.
As such it would be a waste of time even bothering to reply to such stupid
postings.
So why have you been doing it?
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:25:48 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Robert Peffers.
[ ... ]
[ ... ]
Are your school hols not finished yet?
If you are not a primary class school child then your silly, insulting
views indicate that you are.
As such it would be a waste of time even bothering to reply to such
stupid postings.
So why have you been doing it?
He thinks it makes him look clever.
The Highlander
2007-04-16 15:26:40 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:25:48 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by JNugent
Post by Robert Peffers.
[ ... ]
[ ... ]
Are your school hols not finished yet?
If you are not a primary class school child then your silly, insulting
views indicate that you are.
As such it would be a waste of time even bothering to reply to such
stupid postings.
So why have you been doing it?
He thinks it makes him look clever.
He's already proved it! Arguing with you is like beating up children.
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:25:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by Robert Peffers.
Are your school hols not finished yet?
If you are not a primary class school child then your silly, insulting
views indicate that you are.
As such it would be a waste of time even bothering to reply to such stupid
postings.
--
So why did you reply you silly stupid little man????????????????????
The Highlander
2007-04-16 15:33:00 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:25:22 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by Robert Peffers.
Are your school hols not finished yet?
If you are not a primary class school child then your silly, insulting
views indicate that you are.
As such it would be a waste of time even bothering to reply to such stupid
postings.
--
So why did you reply you silly stupid little man????????????????????
Because like the rest of us, he is so shocked by your ignortance that
he has tried to help you get a grip on the facts, being a kindly man
who is horrified by the shallowness of your education.

I'm not horrified. I've lived in England. I met brighter creatures
living under stones in ponds.
The Highlander
2007-04-14 15:31:57 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:41:49 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Joe
Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.
Any bets?
Unfortunately I believe the vast majority of the British public have long
since any preytence at civilised moral behaviour themselves. They dont
vote for the partry that will best serve the nation overall, they vote
for those who will give them the most state benefit handouts. The Brits
have long forgotten that for their leaders to " give" them something ,
those same leaders must have first taken it away. The country needs a big
bloody war to kill off a few million of the chav classes who's minds look
no further than the next giro " wage".
Your use of the term, "Chav", marks you out for what you are.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
English middle class and giving thanks to god every day that I was not born
a Scot.
Trust us, we Scots are even more grateful.

By the way, congratulations on your complete lack of social skills.
Keep talking like this to the Scots and you're likely to destroy any
chance of getting a welcome in Scotland. Politics are definitely not
your best skill - don't give up your unemployment cheque just yet.
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-14 18:02:00 UTC
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Post by The Highlander
By the way, congratulations on your complete lack of social skills.
Keep talking like this to the Scots and you're likely to destroy any
chance of getting a welcome in Scotland. Politics are definitely not
your best skill - don't give up your unemployment cheque just yet.
We the hell would I ever want to go back to that dark depressing run down
slum, I visited it often enough in the 70s when I was a soldier, Afghanistan
has more going for it than Scotland. Now go and play nicely, do something
typically Scottish like Vomit in a phone box.
The Highlander
2007-04-14 23:28:45 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:02:00 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
By the way, congratulations on your complete lack of social skills.
Keep talking like this to the Scots and you're likely to destroy any
chance of getting a welcome in Scotland. Politics are definitely not
your best skill - don't give up your unemployment cheque just yet.
We the hell would I ever want to go back to that dark depressing run down
slum, I visited it often enough in the 70s when I was a soldier, Afghanistan
has more going for it than Scotland. Now go and play nicely, do something
typically Scottish like Vomit in a phone box.
Cook corporal were you? Diesel Dyke the Cuisine Queen!
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 01:00:18 UTC
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Post by The Highlander
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:02:00 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
By the way, congratulations on your complete lack of social skills.
Keep talking like this to the Scots and you're likely to destroy any
chance of getting a welcome in Scotland. Politics are definitely not
your best skill - don't give up your unemployment cheque just yet.
We the hell would I ever want to go back to that dark depressing run down
slum, I visited it often enough in the 70s when I was a soldier, Afghanistan
has more going for it than Scotland. Now go and play nicely, do something
typically Scottish like Vomit in a phone box.
Cook corporal were you? Diesel Dyke the Cuisine Queen!
Whatever else he/she was/is, he/she seems not to have seem much more of
Scotland than some gloomy back street, inner-city, whore infested slum that
are to be found in each and every area where the lower class army scum
gravitate towards in town all over the World with a barracks.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:26:58 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
Whatever else he/she was/is, he/she seems not to have seem much more of
Scotland than some gloomy back street, inner-city, whore infested slum
that are to be found in each and every area where the lower class army
scum gravitate towards in town all over the World with a barracks.
--
Yup Edinburgh, Cumbernauld, Glasgow and Inverness, the entire place looks
much the same.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 00:55:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
By the way, congratulations on your complete lack of social skills.
Keep talking like this to the Scots and you're likely to destroy any
chance of getting a welcome in Scotland. Politics are definitely not
your best skill - don't give up your unemployment cheque just yet.
We the hell would I ever want to go back to that dark depressing run down
slum, I visited it often enough in the 70s when I was a soldier,
Afghanistan has more going for it than Scotland. Now go and play nicely,
do something typically Scottish like Vomit in a phone box.
Yup! A definite school child with a school child's social skills. Either
that or a just another dump, cannon fodder, squaddie who learned nothing
while he was at school and so was qualified for nothing else except the
army.

You just have to laugh at these idiots - they fear the Scots ditching
England so instead of attempting to heal the scars formed since 1707 they
make stupid attempts to rub salt into the wounds. If they had the wits they
were born with - and were actually sincere about English Independence- they
would conclude that they were on the same side as the Scottish Independence
Movement.

Show me an English person who actually believes in English independence and
I will shake that English person's hand and buy them a pint. These insulting
morons do not, for a moment, believe in Independence for England but give
the very same impression as the spoiled child throwing the teddy out of the
pram.

Vote for English Independence in May - put an X for Salmond and the SNP on
your paper.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
B***@isp.com
2007-04-15 03:16:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
By the way, congratulations on your complete lack of social skills.
Keep talking like this to the Scots and you're likely to destroy any
chance of getting a welcome in Scotland. Politics are definitely not
your best skill - don't give up your unemployment cheque just yet.
We the hell would I ever want to go back to that dark depressing run down
slum, I visited it often enough in the 70s when I was a soldier,
Afghanistan has more going for it than Scotland. Now go and play nicely,
do something typically Scottish like Vomit in a phone box.
Yup! A definite school child with a school child's social skills. Either
that or a just another dump, cannon fodder, squaddie who learned nothing
while he was at school and so was qualified for nothing else except the army.
And yet again we see the vile hatred that
you lot have for The British Army and those
who seved in it. We know that many of you
wanted a German victory during WW2 it has been
well publicised. If it weren't for those
soldiers who have died in every British war
for centuries, there would be no *cotland.
You would all be speaking Kraut which IMO
would be a distinct improvement over what we
hear from you today.

How dare you insult those who gave their lives.
Did *you* ever put on a uniform and serve
you country?? Don't bother I already know
the answer.

"*cots nats attempted to set up German/*cottish
alliance against England in WW2".
Telegraph May 9th. 2001

No wonder Hess baled out over *cotland and not England.
No doubt he had been told that if he could only
get to the Duke of Hamilton he could start
a second front against England. Reminds
me of all those vile IRA types in 1916 who
rioted in Dublin while Britons were fighting
and dying in France.
Post by Robert Peffers.
You just have to laugh at these idiots - they fear the Scots ditching
England so instead of attempting to heal the scars formed since 1707 they
make stupid attempts to rub salt into the wounds.
What scars would those be? It was James Stuart
who took the Crown, nobody forced him to. Why
didn't he refuse it? You lot have been whining
for 30 years, for God's sake shut the hell up.


If they had the wits they
Post by Robert Peffers.
were born with - and were actually sincere about English Independence- they
would conclude that they were on the same side as the Scottish Independence
Movement.
Show me an English person who actually believes in English independence and
I will shake that English person's hand and buy them a pint. These insulting
morons do not, for a moment, believe in Independence for England but give
the very same impression as the spoiled child throwing the teddy out of the
pram.
Oh the irony.
Post by Robert Peffers.
Vote for English Independence in May - put an X for Salmond and the SNP on your paper.
Better speak to Anne Begg before advising
the gullible to do *that*. According to her
you lot will be "5000 pounds less a year..."
Post by Robert Peffers.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
And he had to tell us twice, although why he insists
on putting half an address at the end of every post
is a mystery. What is the point?
Post by Robert Peffers.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
We know!! We know!!
Custos Custodum
2007-04-15 16:48:49 UTC
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Post by B***@isp.com
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
By the way, congratulations on your complete lack of social skills.
Keep talking like this to the Scots and you're likely to destroy any
chance of getting a welcome in Scotland. Politics are definitely not
your best skill - don't give up your unemployment cheque just yet.
We the hell would I ever want to go back to that dark depressing run down
slum, I visited it often enough in the 70s when I was a soldier,
Afghanistan has more going for it than Scotland. Now go and play nicely,
do something typically Scottish like Vomit in a phone box.
Yup! A definite school child with a school child's social skills. Either
that or a just another dump, cannon fodder, squaddie who learned nothing
while he was at school and so was qualified for nothing else except the army.
And yet again we see the vile hatred that
you lot have for The British Army and those
who seved in it. We know that many of you
wanted a German victory during WW2 it has been
well publicised. If it weren't for those
soldiers who have died in every British war
for centuries, there would be no *cotland.
You would all be speaking Kraut which IMO
would be a distinct improvement over what we
hear from you today.
Über Geschmack lässt sich nicht streiten.
(Die Amis haben jedoch unsere jämmerlichen Ärsche gerettet.)
Post by B***@isp.com
How dare you insult those who gave their lives.
Did *you* ever put on a uniform and serve
you country?? Don't bother I already know
the answer.
I don't think you do. In fact, I believe he saw a lot more action than
you ever did while restocking the tampon machines at RAF Wildenrath.
Decorum prevents me from commenting on the other 'action' you saw
behind the NAAFI canteen.
B***@isp.com
2007-04-16 01:17:19 UTC
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Post by Custos Custodum
Post by B***@isp.com
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
By the way, congratulations on your complete lack of social skills.
Keep talking like this to the Scots and you're likely to destroy any
chance of getting a welcome in Scotland. Politics are definitely not
your best skill - don't give up your unemployment cheque just yet.
We the hell would I ever want to go back to that dark depressing run down
slum, I visited it often enough in the 70s when I was a soldier,
Afghanistan has more going for it than Scotland. Now go and play nicely,
do something typically Scottish like Vomit in a phone box.
Yup! A definite school child with a school child's social skills. Either
that or a just another dump, cannon fodder, squaddie who learned nothing
while he was at school and so was qualified for nothing else except the army.
And yet again we see the vile hatred that
you lot have for The British Army and those
who seved in it. We know that many of you
wanted a German victory during WW2 it has been
well publicised. If it weren't for those
soldiers who have died in every British war
for centuries, there would be no *cotland.
You would all be speaking Kraut which IMO
would be a distinct improvement over what we
hear from you today.
Über Geschmack lässt sich nicht streiten.
(Die Amis haben jedoch unsere jämmerlichen Ärsche gerettet.)
Post by B***@isp.com
How dare you insult those who gave their lives.
Did *you* ever put on a uniform and serve
you country?? Don't bother I already know
the answer.
I don't think you do. In fact, I believe he saw a lot more action than
you ever did while restocking the tampon machines at RAF Wildenrath.
More sewermouthed garbage from the resident sewermouth
pansy. There are names for people like you, they are
known as mincing little fairies who cringe when "bullies"
approach them. God help you lot if ever you need to defend
yourselves against any enemy. You'll all wet your
knickers. Tell me, were you ever called up and did you
show up in your grandma's best dress?
Post by Custos Custodum
Decorum prevents me from commenting on the other 'action' you saw behind the NAAFI canteen.-
And yet more sexual innuendo from some piece of
trash who, in all probability refuses to take his AZT.

Your hatred of the British military is noted. However I
am sure you just loooooooove the IRA. If you are an
example of someone who supports the SNP God help
*cotland, it'll starve in a week and if attacked will
surrender in 5 minutes.

Now be careful of all those "bullies" Mary, they might
hit you with your own handbag.
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VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:28:02 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
Vote for English Independence in May - put an X for Salmond and the SNP on
your paper.
--
We really want the Scots to have their independance, so long as they all go
and live there, its a fair request.
B***@isp.com
2007-04-16 01:22:38 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Vote for English Independence in May - put an X for Salmond and the SNP on
your paper.
--
We really want the Scots to have their independance, so long as they all go
and live there, its a fair request.
Don't be daft. where else are they going to beg for
their daily bread. Take a look at July 2006 in the thread
"You couldn't make it up". It's about some drunken *cots
beggar who attacked someone in London.

You might notice that all these *cots morons kept
insisting he was English even though he was "originally
from Fife"!!! They refused to believe he was a *cot
although you could have cut his accent with a knife!

One of them some fool called "Malkie" said his name
wasn't *cottish and he didn't have *cots parents"!

They are all racists and their hate of the English is well
known and can be seen here every day.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
2007-04-15 09:47:16 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Joe
Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.
Any bets?
Unfortunately I believe the vast majority of the British public have
long since any preytence at civilised moral behaviour themselves. They
dont vote for the partry that will best serve the nation overall, they
vote for those who will give them the most state benefit handouts. The
Brits have long forgotten that for their leaders to " give" them
something , those same leaders must have first taken it away. The
country needs a big bloody war to kill off a few million of the chav
classes who's minds look no further than the next giro " wage".
Your use of the term, "Chav", marks you out for what you are.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
English middle class and giving thanks to god every day that I was not
born a Scot.
I'm glad you were not born a Scot too.
And what the **** is 'middle class' - what century is this?
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:28:56 UTC
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Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
I'm glad you were not born a Scot too.
And what the **** is 'middle class' - what century is this?
Its something no Scot will ever attain.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
2007-04-15 23:09:33 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
I'm glad you were not born a Scot too.
And what the **** is 'middle class' - what century is this?
Its something no Scot will ever attain.
Translation: 'I have no idea what 'middle class' actually means'.

Yeah - we know.
The Highlander
2007-04-16 15:38:04 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:28:56 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
I'm glad you were not born a Scot too.
And what the **** is 'middle class' - what century is this?
Its something no Scot will ever attain.
You're not middleclass - everything you write confirms your status as
an English peasant with ideas above his station!
The Highlander
2007-04-14 15:23:51 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:02:23 +0100, "Robert Peffers."
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Joe
Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.
Any bets?
Unfortunately I believe the vast majority of the British public have long
since any preytence at civilised moral behaviour themselves. They dont
vote for the partry that will best serve the nation overall, they vote for
those who will give them the most state benefit handouts. The Brits have
long forgotten that for their leaders to " give" them something , those
same leaders must have first taken it away. The country needs a big bloody
war to kill off a few million of the chav classes who's minds look no
further than the next giro " wage".
Your use of the term, "Chav", marks you out for what you are.
I don't think he's British. His English seems stilted.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 00:40:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Highlander
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:02:23 +0100, "Robert Peffers."
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Joe
Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.
Any bets?
Unfortunately I believe the vast majority of the British public have long
since any preytence at civilised moral behaviour themselves. They dont
vote for the partry that will best serve the nation overall, they vote for
those who will give them the most state benefit handouts. The Brits have
long forgotten that for their leaders to " give" them something , those
same leaders must have first taken it away. The country needs a big bloody
war to kill off a few million of the chav classes who's minds look no
further than the next giro " wage".
Your use of the term, "Chav", marks you out for what you are.
I don't think he's British. His English seems stilted.
I think he is English and it's not his English that is stilted but his
thinking.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Molesworth
2007-04-14 00:14:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Joe
Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.
Any bets?
Unfortunately I believe the vast majority of the British public have long
since any preytence at civilised moral behaviour themselves. They dont vote
for the partry that will best serve the nation overall, they vote for those
who will give them the most state benefit handouts. The Brits have long
forgotten that for their leaders to " give" them something , those same
leaders must have first taken it away. The country needs a big bloody war to
kill off a few million of the chav classes who's minds look no further than
the next giro " wage".
'Bring Back Conscription'

Molesworth
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-14 08:42:44 UTC
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'Bring Back Conscription'
Molesworth
Why should the army be despoiled with lower forms of life, its bad enough we
have non English in it :o)
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-13 22:00:41 UTC
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Post by Joe
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Mike
Roderick Rowley, who stood as a candidate for the BNP in Coventry's
Woodlands Ward in the local elections in 2004, was jailed for 15 months in
December after sending obscene images involving children.
Yup and he was kicked out of the party, but new lab try to hide their
sinners or promote them like Peter Mandelson.
There's no point in chucking sticks and stones around to score points.
Few politicians, of any party, are likely to be the kind of person
who is able to see other people as equals, and therefore potentially
worthy of respect. They have this in common with criminals, right
from the start.
While decent people do go into politics, only a tiny handful make
it into important positions. You can't climb the greasy pole and
keep your hands clean. It is the nature of politics itself, in the
modern UK at least, which determines the character of its players,
not their particular ideology. If you can't get anywhere by telling
the truth to the public, and it certainly seems that way, how many
aspiring politicians will make careers elsewhere rather than lie?
Politics will clean up its act when the British public learns to
recognise and to despise liars, to the point of not electing them.
Any bets?
Unfortunately, your average member of the public is too busy going down the
pub, watching reality TV and playing Bingo to really take an interest in
politics. Thus they vote much the same way as they worship their own
particular God figure. That is blind credo, whatever their parents voted for
or whatever their favourite pop star says he/she will vote for. Just see how
many still think NuLabour is a socialist party.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-13 21:54:57 UTC
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Post by Mike
Roderick Rowley, who stood as a candidate for the BNP in Coventry's
Woodlands Ward in the local elections in 2004, was jailed for 15 months in
December after sending obscene images involving children.
Yup and he was kicked out of the party, but new lab try to hide their
sinners or promote them like Peter Mandelson.
While I don't really like the guy I was under the impression that Mandelson
had no criminal record. Then there is the simple fact that as larger parties
have more members there will be more of them who have broken the law. Should
you not be using a percentage basis for your claims? However, there are few
elections won by smear tactics for the public reject those who sling mud
instead of manifestos.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
sizy_one
2007-04-14 16:13:28 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by Mike
Roderick Rowley, who stood as a candidate for the BNP in Coventry's
Woodlands Ward in the local elections in 2004, was jailed for 15 months in
December after sending obscene images involving children.
Yup and he was kicked out of the party, but newMandelson.
However, there are few
elections won by smear tactics for the public reject those who sling mud
instead of manifestos.
I think the mud is worth more than the manifestos.
At least the mud is an attempt to show up the rogues, charlatans and
cheats
whereas nobody with a brain in their head.takes any parties manifesto
seriously.

Sizy_one
Post by Robert Peffers.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
The Highlander
2007-04-14 23:27:17 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:18:27 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Mike
Roderick Rowley, who stood as a candidate for the BNP in Coventry's
Woodlands Ward in the local elections in 2004, was jailed for 15 months in
December after sending obscene images involving children.
Yup and he was kicked out of the party, but new lab try to hide their
sinners or promote them like Peter Mandelson.
Aren't you Dyck van Diesel, aka the Diesel Dyke? The Transvestite?
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 12:30:37 UTC
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Post by The Highlander
Aren't you Dyck van Diesel, aka the Diesel Dyke? The Transvestite?
Awe didums the ickle Scot has resorted to type, he can not defeat his
opponants argument so he resorts to name calling, poor ickle boy. We English
leave wearing skirts to our women and your men.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 16:15:41 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Aren't you Dyck van Diesel, aka the Diesel Dyke? The Transvestite?
Awe didums the ickle Scot has resorted to type, he can not defeat his
opponants argument so he resorts to name calling, poor ickle boy. We
English leave wearing skirts to our women and your men.
Och! Laddie! It just has to be said - your women are more manly than your
men are.
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 19:01:17 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
Och! Laddie! It just has to be said - your women are more manly than your
men are. Heh heh very good:o)
Seriously though Robert all arguing aside I do honestly and genuinly wish
the best for the Scots, and I honestly feel Scotland needs to be self
governing, as does England. Westminster may have been the best place to run
all three nations 300 years ago when they was only about 20 million people
in total and only 1% of them had the vote. But today Scotland like England
is a fully mature nation with a full heritage and culture of its own.
Scotland should be run by the Scots. The current parliament is trying to be
all things to all men and its failing miserably. I wish all the Scots
nationalists a good day in the current elections. Good Luck to You and to us
down here in our fight for independant goverance for England.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-15 19:31:46 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Och! Laddie! It just has to be said - your women are more manly than your
men are. Heh heh very good:o)
Seriously though Robert all arguing aside I do honestly and genuinly wish
the best for the Scots, and I honestly feel Scotland needs to be self
governing, as does England. Westminster may have been the best place to
run all three nations 300 years ago when they was only about 20 million
people in total and only 1% of them had the vote. But today Scotland like
England is a fully mature nation with a full heritage and culture of its
own. Scotland should be run by the Scots. The current parliament is
trying to be all things to all men and its failing miserably. I wish all
the Scots nationalists a good day in the current elections. Good Luck to
You and to us down here in our fight for independant goverance for
England.
The reason is even more simple than that. Scotland's economy is
fundamentally different from that of England and what is good for England is
often detrimental to Scotland but, as we have fewer representatives, at
Westminster it means we never get a square deal. For example Scotland is
designated within Europe as, "A Peripheral Maritime Region". This would be a
very different result as being, "A Peripheral Maritime Country". What
happened in practice was that because our fishing industry was important to
us but unimportant in a UK context the UK lost out to those countries
designated Maritime countries and we had Spanish Trawlers fishing right up
the Firth of Forth while our traditional fishing grounds were gifted to
those Maritime Countries. We also lost out on farming as our farmers have a
far greater percentage of small and hill farms. Our Under Glass areas, (like
the Clyde Valley), also lost out due to the same reasons.
Then we had the boom & bust times when the boom started spreading slowly
outwards from London and had not quite reached Scotland when the overall UK
economy started to overheat and Westminster took action that was UK wide so
instead of boom then bust Scotland had,
Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust. Around that time oil was discovered
in the North Sea and the labour government buried the fact that the oil was
bailing out the UK even although they knew it was a Scottish asset. Cabinet
papers released under the 30 year rule exposed this fairly recently. As I
have pointed out, often, the SNP policy is based upon sound economic basis.
Further to that let it be remembered that Alex Salmond is actually a trained
and quite brilliant economist who actually made a very good living working
as the Bank of Scotland's economist while Blair is a lawyer and Brown
graduated from Edinburgh with First Class Honours, and stayed on to complete
his Doctorate, in History.

So, as to the economy, I think we can say Salmond has by far the best
credentials - EVEN ALTHOUGH BROWN, BLAIR AND McConnell, (A school master),
CLAIM HE HAS GOT HIS SUMS WRONG.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 20:11:48 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
The reason is even more simple than that. Scotland's economy is
fundamentally different from that of England and what is good for England
is often detrimental to Scotland but, as we have fewer representatives, at
Westminster it means we never get a square deal. For example Scotland is
designated within Europe as, "A Peripheral Maritime Region". This would be
a very different result as being, "A Peripheral Maritime Country". What
happened in practice was that because our fishing industry was important
to us but unimportant in a UK context the UK lost out to those countries
designated Maritime countries and we had Spanish Trawlers fishing right up
the Firth of Forth while our traditional fishing grounds were gifted to
those Maritime Countries.
Actually Robert it was jnot just scotland that got royally shafted over its
fishing rights, I live in the north east of england i have have friends who
were trawlermen at one time, they saw their fishing rights disappear thanks
to the EU and the Westminster govt only to see Spanish and french boats
fishing our waters AND Landing them in England as well.



We also lost out on farming as our farmers have a
Post by Robert Peffers.
far greater percentage of small and hill farms. Our Under Glass areas,
(like the Clyde Valley), also lost out due to the same reasons.
We did not fair as bad as the scots and welsh hill farmers but our farmers
in the dales have seen so many bankruptcy hearings, even my mate who led
the fuel prot4ests in this area was a farmer in Weardale, he lost his farm
because his subsidies went down, his costs to the min of ag went up while
the European farmers raked in millions in subsidies.
Post by Robert Peffers.
Then we had the boom & bust times when the boom started spreading slowly
outwards from London and had not quite reached Scotland when the overall
UK economy started to overheat and Westminster took action that was UK
wide so instead of boom then bust Scotland had,
Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust.
Its much the same but not as bad here, we had 22,000 working at ICI
Billingham and Redcar,many of those wre two times losers because so many ICI
men were relocated Scots who settled here. There less than 1800 now at the
chem works, 6,000 at British steel now only a few hundred, The Tees and Tyne
shipyards have long gone with 1000,s of job losses. Heck even the New wave
has come and gone Samsung, Sanyo and all the micro processor makers have
used their tax free subsidies then cleared off the eastern europe, our two
cigarette factories in Darlington and Ayecliffe have gone. I actually live
in Blairs constituancy and it even after 10 years of labour rule is formally
classed as a severley deprived region by the EU, We dont even have to pay
stamp duty on our houses because of EU dispensation.


Around that time oil was discovered
Post by Robert Peffers.
in the North Sea and the labour government buried the fact that the oil
was bailing out the UK even although they knew it was a Scottish asset.
Thats where we disagree Robert, before the oil Scotland happily took as much
as it could from England, but since the opil was found Scotland now wans to
hog what was discovered, drilled , transported and refined with mainly
English , Norwegian and Yank money. I do think it would have been fair is
some sort of special levi had been made to ensure a higher percentage of the
revenue was spent on Scotland, but at the end of the day Scotland did indeed
take much from England for nearly 300 years.
Post by Robert Peffers.
Further to that let it be remembered that Alex Salmond is actually a
trained and quite brilliant economist who actually made a very good living
working as the Bank of Scotland's economist while Blair is a lawyer and
Brown graduated from Edinburgh with First Class Honours, and stayed on to
complete his Doctorate, in History.
I have been reading up on Mr salmon and he appears to have a similar
attitude to the recnt leaders of New zealand and their economy is doing
veryt nicely, so I really hope he is right.
Anyhoo at he very least if and when you heathens get your independence :o),
PLEASE at least take your traitorous war criminal chums Blair and Brown
back with you.
Robert Peffers.
2007-04-16 01:04:56 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
The reason is even more simple than that. Scotland's economy is
fundamentally different from that of England and what is good for England
is often detrimental to Scotland but, as we have fewer representatives,
at Westminster it means we never get a square deal. For example Scotland
is designated within Europe as, "A Peripheral Maritime Region". This
would be a very different result as being, "A Peripheral Maritime
Country". What happened in practice was that because our fishing industry
was important to us but unimportant in a UK context the UK lost out to
those countries designated Maritime countries and we had Spanish Trawlers
fishing right up the Firth of Forth while our traditional fishing grounds
were gifted to those Maritime Countries.
Actually Robert it was jnot just scotland that got royally shafted over
its fishing rights, I live in the north east of england i have have
friends who were trawlermen at one time, they saw their fishing rights
disappear thanks to the EU and the Westminster govt only to see Spanish
and french boats fishing our waters AND Landing them in England as well.
You miss the point - as usual - that point was that on a UK scale the
English fishing industry was NOT an essential part of the English economy
but it was one of Scotland's main industries. Did you not comprehend this
when I made the point that Scotland is classed as, "A Peripheral Maratime
Region", within Europe?
Thus we lost a main industry while England lost a very small part of its
economy.
Post by VAN DIESEL
We also lost out on farming as our farmers have a
Post by Robert Peffers.
far greater percentage of small and hill farms. Our Under Glass areas,
(like the Clyde Valley), also lost out due to the same reasons.
We did not fair as bad as the scots and welsh hill farmers but our farmers
in the dales have seen so many bankruptcy hearings, even my mate who led
the fuel prot4ests in this area was a farmer in Weardale, he lost his farm
because his subsidies went down, his costs to the min of ag went up while
the European farmers raked in millions in subsidies.
There again the agriculture was a very large part of the Scottish economy
but a very small part of the English economy.
The reason the French were raking it in was also the fact that agriculture
was a large part of the French economy.
The point I made was the valid one that the Scottish and English economies
were very different in nature and that the choices to suit England were
wrong for Scotland and we were suffereing unjust cuts to suit the UK economy
that is obviously mainly English due to her much greater percentage of
population.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Then we had the boom & bust times when the boom started spreading slowly
outwards from London and had not quite reached Scotland when the overall
UK economy started to overheat and Westminster took action that was UK
wide so instead of boom then bust Scotland had,
Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust-Bust.
Its much the same but not as bad here, we had 22,000 working at ICI
Billingham and Redcar,many of those wre two times losers because so many
ICI men were relocated Scots who settled here. There less than 1800 now at
the chem works, 6,000 at British steel now only a few hundred, The Tees
and Tyne shipyards have long gone with 1000,s of job losses. Heck even the
New wave has come and gone Samsung, Sanyo and all the micro processor
makers have used their tax free subsidies then cleared off the eastern
europe, our two cigarette factories in Darlington and Ayecliffe have gone.
I actually live in Blairs constituancy and it even after 10 years of
labour rule is formally classed as a severley deprived region by the EU,
We dont even have to pay stamp duty on our houses because of EU
dispensation.
Correct me if I am wrong but were not those relocated Scots not employed by
United Kingdom wide concerns that were closing down the Scottish branches?
In other words you seem to think that when these concerns reduced their
workforces that only the Scots should have suffered and, heaven forfend,
never be relocated to the English branches?
Post by VAN DIESEL
Around that time oil was discovered
Post by Robert Peffers.
in the North Sea and the labour government buried the fact that the oil
was bailing out the UK even although they knew it was a Scottish asset.
Thats where we disagree Robert, before the oil Scotland happily took as
much as it could from England, but since the opil was found Scotland now
wans to hog what was discovered, drilled , transported and refined with
mainly English , Norwegian and Yank money.
That is absolute rubbish on more than one score. In the first place Scotland
was still paying in more than she got back from the government and you
cannot prove that England was ever subsidising Scotland before or after oil
was discovered.
In the second place your claim that it was mainly English money is utter
rubbish. In the first instance the main contributers to getting the industry
started were the Scottish banks and financial institutions. After the oil
started to flow so did international finances. However the main fact then,
as it is now, is that the UK government has never spent a single brass
farthing on the exploration, extraction, refining or transportation of the
North Sea oil and gas.
The money all came from business and private investments. All the UK
government has done is to sell licenses to explore, licenmces to extract and
taken a tax take from every barrel of oil at the wellhead. Then they also
take tax on the wages of the oil workers, the profits of the companies, and
the profits of he investors.
Post by VAN DIESEL
I do think it would have been fair is some sort of special levi had been
made to ensure a higher percentage of the revenue was spent on Scotland,
but at the end of the day Scotland did indeed take much from England for
nearly 300 years.
Then you will have no difficulty in bringing us figures to prove that fact?
So where are they?
You mke all these parrot like claims as if they were facts yet offer not a
single bit of evidence to back your claims.

Tell me, have you ever heard of the English Navigational Acts? These started
to be enforced around the 1300s as a measure of protection for English
trade.
Now considering they were a major cause of wars with many of our European
neighbours and the bankrupting of Scotland, (not to mention the American war
of Independence), a main cause of the Darien Expedition failure and the
massive English National debt at the time of the Union. (Scots national debt
then was almost nil), you would excect English folks would know all about
it.
However, what it does prove is that England was milkung Scotland dry even
then.

Now where is your proof that the boot was on the other foot?
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Further to that let it be remembered that Alex Salmond is actually a
trained and quite brilliant economist who actually made a very good
living working as the Bank of Scotland's economist while Blair is a
lawyer and Brown graduated from Edinburgh with First Class Honours, and
stayed on to complete his Doctorate, in History.
I have been reading up on Mr salmon and he appears to have a similar
attitude to the recnt leaders of New zealand and their economy is doing
veryt nicely, so I really hope he is right.
Anyhoo at he very least if and when you heathens get your independence
:o), PLEASE at least take your traitorous war criminal chums Blair and
Brown back with you.
I've told you already that Blair may have been Scottish born but he claims
to be, and thus is, English.
Brown, on the other hand has recently shown a great aptitude to becoming a
Britclone. So much so that he has lost the respect of many Scots. By the way
he is my MP, I know him well.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
The Highlander
2007-04-16 15:39:53 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:01:17 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Och! Laddie! It just has to be said - your women are more manly than your
men are. Heh heh very good:o)
Seriously though Robert all arguing aside I do honestly and genuinly wish
the best for the Scots, and I honestly feel Scotland needs to be self
governing, as does England. Westminster may have been the best place to run
all three nations 300 years ago when they was only about 20 million people
in total and only 1% of them had the vote. But today Scotland like England
is a fully mature nation with a full heritage and culture of its own.
Scotland should be run by the Scots. The current parliament is trying to be
all things to all men and its failing miserably. I wish all the Scots
nationalists a good day in the current elections. Good Luck to You and to us
down here in our fight for independant goverance for England.
Wow! Now he's grovelling! It's like watching a beaten dog crawling on
its belly and whining for forgiveness...

The Highlander
2007-04-15 19:45:57 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:30:37 +0100, "VAN DIESEL"
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by The Highlander
Aren't you Dyck van Diesel, aka the Diesel Dyke? The Transvestite?
Awe didums the ickle Scot has resorted to type, he can not defeat his
opponants argument so he resorts to name calling, poor ickle boy. We English
leave wearing skirts to our women and your men.
You're making a great case for the SNP. Don't stop now!
VAN DIESEL
2007-04-15 19:06:48 UTC
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Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Och! Laddie! It just has to be said - your women are more manly than your
men are.
Heh heh very good:o)
Post by VAN DIESEL
Seriously though Robert all arguing aside I do honestly and genuinly wish
the best for the Scots, and I honestly feel Scotland needs to be self
governing, as does England. Westminster may have been the best place to
run all three nations 300 years ago when they was only about 20 million
people in total and only 1% of them had the vote. But today Scotland like
England is a fully mature nation with a full heritage and culture of its
own. Scotland should be run by the Scots. The current parliament is
trying to be all things to all men and its failing miserably. I wish all
the Scots nationalists a good day in the current elections. Good Luck to
You and to us down here in our fight for independant goverance for
England.
B***@isp.com
2007-04-16 01:28:26 UTC
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Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Post by Robert Peffers.
Och! Laddie! It just has to be said - your women are more manly than your
men are.
Heh heh very good:o)
Not according to The Bishop of Edinburgh whos aid -

"There are more gays in *cotland than any other
country in the world"

Many of them post here, did,you notice?
Post by Robert Peffers.
Post by VAN DIESEL
Seriously though Robert all arguing aside I do honestly and genuinly wish
the best for the Scots, and I honestly feel Scotland needs to be self
governing, as does England. Westminster may have been the best place to
run all three nations 300 years ago when they was only about 20 million
people in total and only 1% of them had the vote. But today Scotland like
England is a fully mature nation with a full heritage and culture of its
own. Scotland should be run by the Scots. The current parliament is
trying to be all things to all men and its failing miserably. I wish all
the Scots nationalists a good day in the current elections. Good Luck to
You and to us down here in our fight for independant goverance for
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